[CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
Elaine Zablocki escribió: What scarcity? What is America running out of in your view? In what way are our prospects diminished? Most libertarians believe that if there is a scarcity, it represents a market opportunity, and believe that with the right choices made our prospects look good indeed. We are running out of oil, and our entire economy is based on oil. U.S. oil production hit its peak in 1970. World oil production is at its peak about now. This doesn't mean there is no more oil... there is still lots left but it means we probably face declining amounts of available oil, plus increased competition from other countries for what is available ...blah blah blah... Think globally--act locally. I hear/see lots of people complaining about the price/scarcity of oil from their lonely perches in their huge SUVs. Not paying attention? Drive a behemoth, then don't complain about oil. Can't afford to heat your house? Maybe you're in the wrong house, using the wrong heating/cooling system. Food too expensive. Eat lower on the food chain or learn to cook expensive food for less. Coal is too dirty? Nuke plants are dangerous [I live within the 50 mile radius of TMI and Salem plants. TMI near-meltdown was on my birthday] and waste is more dangerous? Switch to natural gas, propane, solar, wind. It's more expensive to do nothing than to make changes. If you don't want us to have more oil wars, it's completely possible--and affordable--to do something about it before the legislatures figure out what convoluted laws to pass to force you to switch, perhaps limiting your choices. Oil is dirty. I remember sitting on the beach in Nice picking up chunks of oil residue washed up from the last few oil spills. Over the past 20 years I've found oil blobs on almost every beach we've visited around the world--I've started a souvenir tarball collection. Ugh! I've done my part this year. Bought a new iMac that uses less than 1/4 as much power as the G4 it replaces. Bought a new car with a computer display that is "stuck" between 38 and 40 MPG average fuel consumption [it will be paid off by June, too]. Next car I want is a clean diesel that gets 65 MPG like they have in Europe--better than hybrids. I've lived in a solar house for 30 years, using about 1/3 the energy of other homes the same size, saving enough money to pay off the 30 year mortgage in 18 years, and use the rest of the savings to pay for college and travel a lot. What have you done on your own? Do you recycle? Cycle? Why are you waiting for the gummint to tell you what you have to do? Forget scarcity. Think about your wallet and your future. Buy thoughtfully. Vote carefully. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
> What have you done on your own? Do you recycle? Cycle? Why are you waiting > for the gummint to tell you what you have to do? Forget scarcity. Think > about your wallet and your future. Buy thoughtfully. Vote carefully. Bravo Betty. You and I agree on very little, but you do walk the walk. For that, I applaud you. I only wish more environmentally-conscious people saw the carrot before they see the stick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW? db b_s-wilk wrote: Elaine Zablocki escribió: What scarcity? What is America running out of in your view? In what way are our prospects diminished? Most libertarians believe that if there is a scarcity, it represents a market opportunity, and believe that with the right choices made our prospects look good indeed. We are running out of oil, and our entire economy is based on oil. U.S. oil production hit its peak in 1970. World oil production is at its peak about now. This doesn't mean there is no more oil... there is still lots left but it means we probably face declining amounts of available oil, plus increased competition from other countries for what is available ...blah blah blah... Think globally--act locally. I hear/see lots of people complaining about the price/scarcity of oil from their lonely perches in their huge SUVs. Not paying attention? Drive a behemoth, then don't complain about oil. Can't afford to heat your house? Maybe you're in the wrong house, using the wrong heating/cooling system. Food too expensive. Eat lower on the food chain or learn to cook expensive food for less. Coal is too dirty? Nuke plants are dangerous [I live within the 50 mile radius of TMI and Salem plants. TMI near-meltdown was on my birthday] and waste is more dangerous? Switch to natural gas, propane, solar, wind. It's more expensive to do nothing than to make changes. If you don't want us to have more oil wars, it's completely possible--and affordable--to do something about it before the legislatures figure out what convoluted laws to pass to force you to switch, perhaps limiting your choices. Oil is dirty. I remember sitting on the beach in Nice picking up chunks of oil residue washed up from the last few oil spills. Over the past 20 years I've found oil blobs on almost every beach we've visited around the world--I've started a souvenir tarball collection. Ugh! I've done my part this year. Bought a new iMac that uses less than 1/4 as much power as the G4 it replaces. Bought a new car with a computer display that is "stuck" between 38 and 40 MPG average fuel consumption [it will be paid off by June, too]. Next car I want is a clean diesel that gets 65 MPG like they have in Europe--better than hybrids. I've lived in a solar house for 30 years, using about 1/3 the energy of other homes the same size, saving enough money to pay off the 30 year mortgage in 18 years, and use the rest of the savings to pay for college and travel a lot. What have you done on your own? Do you recycle? Cycle? Why are you waiting for the gummint to tell you what you have to do? Forget scarcity. Think about your wallet and your future. Buy thoughtfully. Vote carefully. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
db wrote: Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW? No, you can't. Google "65 mpg clean diesels" to see articles. I saw articles on a Ford, and a Mini, and a VW. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Jordan wrote: > db wrote: > >> Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW? >> > No, you can't. > Google "65 mpg clean diesels" to see articles. > I saw articles on a Ford, and a Mini, and a VW. > A guy up the street (Northern Virginia) has a Diesel VW Jetta. He said he was getting 60 mpg on bio diesel and around 50 or 55 on regular diesel. He was getting Biodiesel from a station in Alexandria near where he worked. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
schwinn, huffy, toro and snapper... -Original Message- From: db [mailto:db...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history] Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW? db b_s-wilk wrote: > Elaine Zablocki escribió: > What scarcity? What is America running out of in your view? In what way are our prospects diminished? Most libertarians believe that if there is a scarcity, it represents a market opportunity, and believe that with the right choices made our prospects look good indeed. >> >> We are running out of oil, and our entire economy is based on oil. >> >> U.S. oil production hit its peak in 1970. World oil production is at >> its peak about now. >> >> This doesn't mean there is no more oil... there is still lots >> left but it means we probably face declining amounts of available >> oil, plus increased competition from other countries for what is >> available > ...blah blah blah... > > Think globally--act locally. > > I hear/see lots of people complaining about the price/scarcity of oil > from their lonely perches in their huge SUVs. Not paying attention? > Drive a behemoth, then don't complain about oil. Can't afford to heat > your house? Maybe you're in the wrong house, using the wrong > heating/cooling system. Food too expensive. Eat lower on the food > chain or learn to cook expensive food for less. Coal is too dirty? > Nuke plants are dangerous [I live within the 50 mile radius of TMI and > Salem plants. TMI near-meltdown was on my birthday] and waste is more > dangerous? Switch to natural gas, propane, solar, wind. It's more > expensive to do nothing than to make changes. > > If you don't want us to have more oil wars, it's completely > possible--and affordable--to do something about it before the > legislatures figure out what convoluted laws to pass to force you to > switch, perhaps limiting your choices. Oil is dirty. I remember > sitting on the beach in Nice picking up chunks of oil residue washed > up from the last few oil spills. Over the past 20 years I've found oil > blobs on almost every beach we've visited around the world--I've > started a souvenir tarball collection. Ugh! > > I've done my part this year. Bought a new iMac that uses less than 1/4 > as much power as the G4 it replaces. Bought a new car with a computer > display that is "stuck" between 38 and 40 MPG average fuel consumption > [it will be paid off by June, too]. Next car I want is a clean diesel > that gets 65 MPG like they have in Europe--better than hybrids. I've > lived in a solar house for 30 years, using about 1/3 the energy of > other homes the same size, saving enough money to pay off the 30 year > mortgage in 18 years, and use the rest of the savings to pay for > college and travel a lot. > > What have you done on your own? Do you recycle? Cycle? Why are you > waiting for the gummint to tell you what you have to do? Forget > scarcity. Think about your wallet and your future. Buy thoughtfully. > Vote carefully. > > Betty > > > ** > *** > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
