Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hold on, that is a post EDS merger trimming. That percentage is not at all unusual after a merger. The merged company will find many positions duplicated with only enough work required to justify one position. It is a sad truth about mergers that many good employees get shafted. That's basically the story I heard on the local NBC (I believe) radio affiliate yesterday afternoon. Although I don't believe they used the word shafted but that's what I thought when I heard the story. Shafted is a more common term around Philadelphia for getting the wrong end of the short stick. I went to the University next door to Tom's alma mater and the Drexel Shaft was always to blame for some misfortune or another. We even had a monument to the shaft on the quad which has since been moved to one of the newer dorms. (http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2T64) Urban Dictionary attaches the term to a huge smoke stack which was less common when I was there. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
As for the supposed story (that page had corporate ads linked to the words such as compute and operating system ... I wouldn't put too much stock in that story), I later discovered that the original story came from Business Week. See HP's End Run Around Windows on Business Week's Technology page. That is a fairly long and interesting read. This story also mentions that Apple's market share growth is causing HP and others to question the value of sticking with Windows: Apple is a huge motivating factor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
Between the Mac, Windows and Linux OS's, Linux is the most rapidly changing of them all, so your experience several years ago is likely dated. You might want to look again. As for Matlab, I wasn't sure of your meaning. If you were referring to its availability, it does come in Linux, Mac (Intel) and Solaris versions, though I think some of the toolboxes are Windows only. If you were saying that the license is Windows-only, you should check again. It is often the case that the license is based on the number of seats, not the platform. If your licensing is indeed tied to Windows and can't be transferred, you could go virtual and run Matlab in Windows in a virtual machine. Sun's VirtualBox is free if you want to give it a try. I don't know about the other virtualization offerings, but Parallels has a way you can transfer your real machine to a virtual one. If you aren't using any Matlab toolboxes (unlikely, Matlab is notorious for needing a toolbox to do nearly anything useful), you could try replacing it with one of the open source programs Octave or FreeMat, which offer a good degree of Matlab compatibility and are multiplatform. The statistical computing and graphics package R is also multiplatform and has a Matlab emulation package. Of course, if you use Matlab quite frequently and at a high level, these alternatives likely will not work for you. As a longtime PC user, I agree that Windows could be a better OS. But I'm not sure about switching to Linux. After checking several years ago, there were a lot of things that I have been accustomed to using Windows that I couldn't use with Linux. Is there a comparison between Windows Linux on the web? What would I do with essential software that is supplied to me via a site license from my employer that offers only Windows versions? One such is Matlab, an engineering application. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
I have no user experience with them, but there are Virtualizations that allow running of Windows applications under Linux. One of them is known as Wine I belive. Not quite. Wine is a system add-on that attempts (with some success) to run windows programs natively in Linux. This is different from virtualization, which emulates parts or all of the virtual machine and still requires Windows to run Windows software. Wine's name is in fact a recursive acronym for WINE Is Not an Emulator. A number of windows applications work pretty well in Linux under Wine, but Matlab is not yet one of them. There is no lack of virtualization software for Linux, though. Off the top of my head, there are VMware, Parallels, VirtualBox, Xen and QEMU and there are at least a half-dozen others. For desktop linux use, you'd probably want to use Parallels or VMware (commercial but inexpensive) or VMware (free for most uses). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
I admit I have NOT read this whole thread ...however, with HP offloading 80% of it's worldwide workforce as announced today, who exactly will be maintaining and servicing their supposed proprietary operating system and answering the fones for jerks like me who can't get it to work? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
Dude, the actual number is 7.5 per cent, or 24,600 jobs. http://triad.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2008/09/15/daily19.html?ana=yfcpc Although I can recall hearing on the radio that most of these would be in the US. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:45 PM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit I have NOT read this whole thread ...however, with HP offloading 80% of it's worldwide workforce as announced today, who exactly will be maintaining and servicing their supposed proprietary operating system and answering the fones for jerks like me who can't get it to work? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
And a majority of it will be EDS folks too... -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Emmerling Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS? Dude, the actual number is 7.5 per cent, or 24,600 jobs. http://triad.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2008/09/15/daily19.html?ana=y fcpc Although I can recall hearing on the radio that most of these would be in the US. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:45 PM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit I have NOT read this whole thread ...however, with HP offloading 80% of it's worldwide workforce as announced today, who exactly will be maintaining and servicing their supposed proprietary operating system and answering the fones for jerks like me who can't get it to work? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
Dude, the actual number is 7.5 per cent, or 24,600 jobs. Hold on, that is a post EDS merger trimming. That percentage is not at all unusual after a merger. The merged company will find many positions duplicated with only enough work required to justify one position. It is a sad truth about mergers that many good employees get shafted. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
Hold on, that is a post EDS merger trimming. That percentage is not at all unusual after a merger. The merged company will find many positions duplicated with only enough work required to justify one position. It is a sad truth about mergers that many good employees get shafted. That's basically the story I heard on the local NBC (I believe) radio affiliate yesterday afternoon. Although I don't believe they used the word shafted but that's what I thought when I heard the story. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Will HP Replace Windows with Its Own OS?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, b_s-wilk wrote: HP had its own OS almost 20 years ago, but it was only for enterprise. It was pretty good. We used HP/UX for the workstations to do 3D grid modeling for robots. With a good GUI, it might be competitive with OS X. How's it with CDE? Had? HP still develops HP-UX. (Speaking of HP-UX, someone once said 'aren't you glad they didn't call the company Packard Hewlett?') Several years ago, HP-UX was a more popular server OS than Solaris was in the financial institutions. Don't know if still is. Last year or so I saw that the terminals at Home Depot's design center were using HP-UX. When HP acquired Compaq, the latter had already bought DEC which had the Alpha chip and Digital Unix, which later re-branded as Tru64 Unix. IMHO, Alpha and DU combo was way ahead of Sun/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX at that time. Of course, HP lead by Carly Fiorina, to pluck a name out of today's politics, made sure Alpha chip got nowhere (among other moronic stuff Ms. Fiorina did to that company). CDE (Common Desktop Environment) came with, among others, Solaris, AIX, and DU too. To me, that had a very clunky interface. It was supposed to be an improvement over the ancient window managers like TWM, but CDE was very slow and offered no real GUI breakthroughs. I haven't looked at other Unixes, but Solaris these days comes with GNOME, just like many Linux distros. As mentioned in my previous post in this thread, when you get used to one environemnt, the others are a bit difficult to get used to. I, of course, think that GNOME is superb and MacOSX aqua and Windows' GUI are lacking. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
