Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
Jeff It's your job to provide IT/network support. Those of us with small businesses can't afford IT staff or outside services. The computers are tools that we use in our businesses and must work seamlessly with as little tech support as possible. That's why we use Macs, even when we're forced to use Windows. That's the REAL world of small business. Even when I worked for a Swiss multinational corporation, many of their European employees, scientists and managers brought their own Macs to the US, while the locals were stuck with Windows by an IT department full of MS engineers. That's also the REAL world of Euro management who'd rather get the work done, instead of fiddling with IT. Betty I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the other stuff does not happen. Of course you don't. We work in completely different environments with completely different types of staffs. Mine's in the real world, BTW. So you have proved my point. And you so often prove mine, Herr Doctor. Keep 'em coming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Actually, it is an understandable rationale for not shelling out for a new platform. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Actually, it is an understandable rationale for not shelling out for a new platform. But if money is limited, and who's isn't, a good argument can be made for many people to stop pouring money into the moneypit that is Windows and the disposable computers that people are lured into buying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote: But if money is limited, and who's isn't, a good argument can be made for many people to stop pouring money into the moneypit that is Windows and the disposable computers that people are lured into buying. A good point if a user is having problems of one sort or another under Windows. However, I know of some Windows users who do have some headaches under Windows. and periodically talk of moving to Macs, but even when they have the chance to, choose not to do so. One told me that it is easy to get pirated software for their Windows machines, and that is their reason for not changing. Another said it was too expensive to have to replace all their software, but as it turns out, she really had very little that she would have to replace, and her version of Photoshop onher Windows computer at home, the potentially most expensive item, was pirated to begin with. It seems to come down to comfort levels, primarily. The lady mentioned above has a Mac available to her at work that has Photoshop installed, yet she refuses to touch it, preferring instead to work on picture files with some lame basic image editor that seemingly came installed on the Dell she also has at work. Go figure. I say comfort levels are at work. Fear of the unknown. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Aug 3, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. An I owe all these riches to the increased productivity I get from my Macs. If I ran PCs I would have to add a staff person to do maintenance or devote a large portion of my own time to maintenance instead of going out to do billable work. My staff would also be bogged down in Windows problems instead of cranking out a steady stream of work with their trouble-free Macs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
An I owe all these riches to the increased productivity I get from my Macs. If I ran PCs I would have to add a staff person to do maintenance or devote a large portion of my own time to maintenance instead of going out to do billable work. My staff would also be bogged down in Windows problems instead of cranking out a steady stream of work with their trouble-free Macs. Only if you're incompetent. I manage over 100 Windows XP PCs, a dozen laptops and 30 Windows 2003 servers by myself. Very little of what I do is related to trouble with either Windows or the Dell PCs. We have a boringly stable desktop implementation. Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email situations or 3rd party software issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
I can vouch for that. back when I worked support for a company (before the days of Windows) we supported Xenix/Novell-Lantastic enviroments. I worked hardware support which included OS/Hardware issues. Most of the support calls we got were not really OS Issues but issues with corruption of the program caused by I/O error of operators. If it was hardware they either contracted with us for immediate replacement (UPS/FedEx) or customer supported hardware. Most common issues, printers needing setup (We required a particular setup for use of printed characters) or software conflict after we would send out an update. We also had to replace CPU's, CMOS batteries etc. When I worked there we had 6 hardware techs and the same amount of software techs. We supported about a thousand clinics and the company made money. As long as there is hardware out there there will be the need for support folks. As long as there is software out there there will be the need for support. As long as human beings are behind all these items there will be need for support. Does not matter what version or company or platform they all fail and they all need fixing. Stewart At 08:05 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: Only if you're incompetent. I manage over 100 Windows XP PCs, a dozen laptops and 30 Windows 2003 servers by myself. Very little of what I do is related to trouble with either Windows or the Dell PCs. We have a boringly stable desktop implementation. Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email situations or 3rd party software issues. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email situations or 3rd party software issues. I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the other stuff does not happen. So you have proved my point. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the other stuff does not happen. Of course you don't. We work in completely different environments with completely different types of staffs. Mine's in the real world, BTW. So you have proved my point. And you so often prove mine, Herr Doctor. Keep 'em coming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the other stuff does not happen. My staff changes their underwear daily and we pump out the bilges once a week. Oh yeah, we get free showers. :-) Ruling the Aegean sea since 480 BC * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running Apple than Apple is. The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its way past 1934. I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners [cough]Copps[/cough] who think we still live in an age of information scarcity. If we're lucky, maybe the FCC can party like its 1969. About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a say in the way things run. I bet he longs for the days when the FCC limited its interests to really important things like wardrobe malfunctions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running Apple than Apple is. The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its way past 1934. I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners [cough]Copps[/cough] who think we still live in an age of information scarcity. If we're lucky, maybe the FCC can party like its 1969. About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a say in the way things run. But he thinks corporations are just really important people! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a say in the way things run. Radical right? Seriously? Oh right, that's to turn the mob against me, or it's the product of your one-dimensional world-view. I can't really tell whether it's incompetence or malice, or both. You do have a say in how things are. You do know that you can buy other products, or not buy at all, right? Right? But, the idea that *you* have influence over a partisan political process is laughable. I bet he longs for the days when the FCC limited its interests to really important things like wardrobe malfunctions. I can't think of a single day in the FCC I long for. I do, however, long for the day when the FCC building is converted to low-income housing. It'll at least do some good then. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
... Mac hater... Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do what it chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock. And let's be perfectly clear about this: I don't hate Macs or Apple. Apple fleeces its customers with its profit margins, but its customers happily and knowingly give over a portion of their wealth without questioning this. But, it's no skin off my nose if they choose to do such a foolish thing. I have other purchasing options. Apple certainly makes some very nice hardware with tight engineering. While I don't agree with all of their design choices, Apple's design standards are top flight. OS X is very nice, easy on the eyes and has features worth admiring. Windows should be so easy to upgrade or to install apps. The iPhone obviously has tremendous value that a substantial portion of the smart phone market agrees with and buys enthusiastically in great amounts. It's just not an enthusiasm that I share. It's Apple's user base that sucks, not its products. An obnoxious, smug, asinine, shun-worthy group if ever there was. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: It's Apple's user base that sucks, not its products. An obnoxious, smug, asinine, shun-worthy group if ever there was. Ouch! That hurt. Do you always paint with such a wide brush? The painter's union would not like that very much. However, I see that Randall Terry, the acerbic and uber-rabid right-to-lifer has a Mac on his desk, so I guess it is true that at least some Mac users meet the criteria you have set forth. We're getting ready to boot him out of the club, along with Rush. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I do, however, long for the day when the FCC building is converted to low-income housing. It'll at least do some good then. Then Rupert Murdoch could do to us what Berlusconi did to the Italians. You would love that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do what it chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock. Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing that could make it better would be to let the players carry guns. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing that could make it better would be to let the players carry guns. That certainly would eliminate the designated hitter rule once and for all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
Ouch! That hurt. Do you always paint with such a wide brush? The painter's union would not like that very much. I make sure that I use painters tape and a tarp so I can afford to use a wide brush. There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration at parts per million. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration at parts per million. The problem is really hugely insecure WFBs who are recently enflamed as M$ fortunes sink lower and lower. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration at parts per million. Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
