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Pot calling kettle... I give what I get from Tom. I asked nicely, he non answered in his own smartass way. I replied in kind. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) < mark.sny...@ngc.com> wrote: > Perhaps the fact that you seem to go out of your way to disparage him > may have something to do with how he addresses you? > > Thank you, > > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > Thanks...that's all I was asking. Instead we get more smartass from > Tom. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Perhaps the fact that you seem to go out of your way to disparage him may have something to do with how he addresses you? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Thanks...that's all I was asking. Instead we get more smartass from Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Thanks...that's all I was asking. Instead we get more smartass from Tom. Thanks, Betty. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? >> > > > The Gartner Group has done several detailed studies and reports for > creative professionals comparing TCO of Mac and Windows computers. The Macs > have always had lower TCO and longer usable life. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? The Gartner Group has done several detailed studies and reports for creative professionals comparing TCO of Mac and Windows computers. The Macs have always had lower TCO and longer usable life. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I know your shtick, make up everything, prove nothing...keep moving and jabbing till they give up on trying to get some truth out of you. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >I figured you had pulled this one from your nether regions...just wanted > to > >hear you say it. > > I know your shtick. Challenge everything. Deny everything. The classic OJ > defense. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>I figured you had pulled this one from your nether regions...just wanted to >hear you say it. I know your shtick. Challenge everything. Deny everything. The classic OJ defense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't just think I AM, I know I AM, that is why I wrote I AM. (It is also a theological pun) Stewart At 12:12 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I AM. > > Therefore I exist. > > I think therefore I am, I think. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Please remind me where this comes from. I'm trying to think. Mason Williams comes to mind. "There are no empty tabasco sauce bottles." Jeff M On May 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: I AM. Therefore I exist. I think therefore I am, I think. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I figured you had pulled this one from your nether regions...just wanted to hear you say it. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? > > Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I AM. > > Therefore I exist. > > I think therefore I am, I think. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I AM. Therefore I exist. Stewart At 07:30 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote: >And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >While I know the Mac market share is approaching > >10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. > >Could be Mac users just like to travel more? > > Mac fans have said for many years that market share figures are slanted > in favor of Windows because surverys measure the wrong thing. For one, > Macs stay in service about twice as long as PCs so there two times more > of them in use than the market share numbers suggest. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>While I know the Mac market share is approaching >10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. >Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Mac fans have said for many years that market share figures are slanted in favor of Windows because surverys measure the wrong thing. For one, Macs stay in service about twice as long as PCs so there two times more of them in use than the market share numbers suggest. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I work at a community college. Well over half the laptops I see students sitting around with are Macs. ISTR reading a year ago that Macs dominated the market for college age student/family purchased (as opposed to college issued - there are some that do) laptops were Macs. In my social circle (a rather eclectic bunch) I can't recall the last time (it was over two years ago, that much I know) I saw someone take out a laptop at an event or party where it was not a Mac. Many of them also have desktop PC's as gamer machines or older ones converted to linux. As a pure anecdote at our local rec league soccer signup two weekends ago they had a pair of Macs running Bento tied into a roving registrar with a Bento app on his iPhone taking the registrations. In previous years it was all manual. Matthew On May 19, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've been doing a lot of traveling lately. I've been using many airports and ferries. I've also been paying attention to the laptops people are using. While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've been doing a lot of traveling lately. I've been using many airports and ferries. I've also been paying attention to the laptops people are using. While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say "Liberals use Macs and > conservatives use PCs." That perception may be a side effect of the image > created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), > but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. Here is a dose of reality. A fellow I know works in one of the FAA offices located in Washington DC. He is an FAA inspector who evaluates pilots. I guess there are about 20 or so guys, all self-described "jocks," who share his office. They all use Windows machines at work, and they all use Windows machines at home for their personal use, and always have. They are all ex-military, except for one, and they are all described as being quite conservative, and they all apparently voted for someone other than Obama. This fellow I know told me last week that about half the workers in his office are, to one degree or another, interested in switching to Macs for their home computer. The reason? They perceive Macs to be of higher quality than most Windows machines, albeit more expensive. They are willing to spend more for a higher quality product so they say. But, they all want to be able to run Windows on any Mac they might buy. If Macs could not run Windows, they would not be nearly as interested, if at all. They are not really interested in Mac software, though they are curious about some of those products as well as the OS itself. They also want to be able to better avoid viruses, malware, etc., contracted from the internet. They do realize they will have to be using the Mac side to accomplish that. Essentially, these guys assume that they will still be primarily Windows users, but want to run their Windows apps on a Macintosh. Distinctions are beginning to become a bit blurred. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Chris is correct on this. I have met many conservatives who use Macs, liberals who use PCs and vice-versa. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say "Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs." That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> Wait just a minute. A huge percentage of computers sold with the > Windows OS installed are in business and government offices. It is > quite possible that most Windows machines are not owned by > individuals. Well, I don't know about that. The vast majority of people I know use PCs at home. My daughter's class, for example, conducted a survey at the beginning of the school year and the result was something like 8:1 (I think it was 25 PC households and 3 Mac households), which comports pretty well with the overall PC/Mac market share. No, I don't have any numbers to back this up; it's just my own experience. > I do not think that one can equate the number of > Windows-based computers with the number of conservative > voters versus liberal voters. I don't think so either, and that was really my point. All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say "Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs." That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: >> If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying >> attention on this forum. > > Well, if this were actually true, MS's 90% market share (or whatever it is) > would mean that ~90% of the electorate is conservative, which makes the > results of the last election somewhat surprising. Wait just a minute. A huge percentage of computers sold with the Windows OS installed are in business and government offices. It is quite possible that most Windows machines are not owned by individuals. I do not think that one can equate the number of Windows-based computers with the number of conservative voters versus liberal voters. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So, I guess the cons/neocons don't say "Better dead than Red!" anymore? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- >I may have mixed up my colors, ... Yeah, I do that too. It's the exact opposite of what you'd expect as far as the colors' symbolism. Blue is "liberal" and red is "conservative." To make it even more confusing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectionMapPurpleCounty.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I may have mixed up my colors, ... Yeah, I do that too. It's the exact opposite of what you'd expect as far as the colors' symbolism. Blue is "liberal" and red is "conservative." To make it even more confusing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectionMapPurpleCounty.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I may have mixed up my colors, but the urban areas (high density population/cities) voted overwhelmingly democratic while the less dense areas (rural/suburban) areas voted overwhelmingly republican. The map I saw showed about 80% of the land mass voted republican and 20% voted democratic. But that is in keeping with past voting trends that have shown this before. I read an article in Newsweek last Summer before the democratic convention that examined how Obama beat out Hillary for the nomination and it said his political team concentrated their efforts on the high density vote rich areas to win the delegate count. Same with the general election. Some states (Alabama is one) was not a battleground state and Obama visited it sporadically. (We do not have a high number of electoral votes and the vote pattern showed high republican leanings.) (I did mix it up I just looked red is republican and blue democratic) Stewart At 06:58 PM 5/18/2009, you wrote: > If you look at a Blue/Red map of the last election the red is > concentrated in urban areas with a high density of population and the > blue is in most of the rest of the area. Rev, are you sure about that? You're saying that urban areas voted Republican and rural areas voted Democratic? I'll admit to not having looked at the election maps that way, but that doesn't sound right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> If you look at a Blue/Red map of the last election the red is > concentrated in urban areas with a high density of population and the > blue is in most of the rest of the area. Rev, are you sure about that? You're saying that urban areas voted Republican and rural areas voted Democratic? I'll admit to not having looked at the election maps that way, but that doesn't sound right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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>Yes, Matt here is pretty conservative, but uses a Mac. The putative head of the Republican party, Rush, is a big Mac fan. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes and no. If you look at a Blue/Red map of the last election the red is concentrated in urban areas with a high density of population and the blue is in most of the rest of the area. So if you extrapolate the data and say higher income or more urban people use Mac's and the less urban agrarian/rural people (read lower income) use PC's. Stewart At 06:10 PM 5/18/2009, you wrote: > If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying > attention on this forum. Well, if this were actually true, MS's 90% market share (or whatever it is) would mean that ~90% of the electorate is conservative, which makes the results of the last election somewhat surprising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying > attention on this forum. Well, if this were actually true, MS's 90% market share (or whatever it is) would mean that ~90% of the electorate is conservative, which makes the results of the last election somewhat surprising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Compu-racial profiling, I love it. On May 18, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Vicky Staubly wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2009, Matthew Taylor wrote: If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying attention on this forum. Yes, Matt here is pretty conservative, but uses a Mac. Chris Dunford seems rather liberal, but uses Windows. I personally use Linux when I can (personal machines), but use Windows at work; however, I'd describe myself as liberal. I can see how one might think that a conservative might want to "fit in" with the majority by using Windows, but I don't think that really works out in the real world (after all, there are probably as many rationals for being conservative as there are conservatives, and the same for us liberals). On May 18, 2009, at 3:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The old Mac versus Windows/DOS/PC "flame wars" have always been, in great part, about conservatives and liberals. The conservatives, politically, have always been perceived to be Mr. "I'm A PC," while the liberals, politically, have always been the Mac guy. To me it is that simple, and it is still that way today. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/ vi...@steeds.com ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, 18 May 2009, Matthew Taylor wrote: If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying attention on this forum. Yes, Matt here is pretty conservative, but uses a Mac. Chris Dunford seems rather liberal, but uses Windows. I personally use Linux when I can (personal machines), but use Windows at work; however, I'd describe myself as liberal. I can see how one might think that a conservative might want to "fit in" with the majority by using Windows, but I don't think that really works out in the real world (after all, there are probably as many rationals for being conservative as there are conservatives, and the same for us liberals). On May 18, 2009, at 3:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The old Mac versus Windows/DOS/PC "flame wars" have always been, in great part, about conservatives and liberals. The conservatives, politically, have always been perceived to be Mr. "I'm A PC," while the liberals, politically, have always been the Mac guy. To me it is that simple, and it is still that way today. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: > If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying > attention on this forum. I have been paying attention on this forum. I have also been paying attention to the rest of the world as well. > On May 18, 2009, at 3:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> The old Mac versus Windows/DOS/PC "flame wars" have >> always been, in great part, about conservatives and liberals. The >> conservatives, politically, have always been perceived to be Mr. "I'm >> A PC," while the liberals, politically, have always been the Mac guy. >> To me it is that simple, and it is still that way today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you still think "Like Mac" = Liberal then you have not been paying attention on this forum. On May 18, 2009, at 3:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The old Mac versus Windows/DOS/PC "flame wars" have always been, in great part, about conservatives and liberals. The conservatives, politically, have always been perceived to be Mr. "I'm A PC," while the liberals, politically, have always been the Mac guy. To me it is that simple, and it is still that way today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> Anyone out there on a politics list? Do they ever break out into computer > subjects? On a political blog I frequent, the topic can change from a serious discussion on whatever the post topic is to discussions of Star Trek or SF in general, movie trivia, sex, zombies, cars, arguments over firearms technology or food, or just silly/snarky memes that go on forever. Rarely does it go over to computers, which, I have to say, is nice. Still, it breaks up the routine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:00 PM, mike wrote: > Anyone out there on a politics list? Do they ever break out into computer > subjects? Absolutely. Let me say this about computers and politics and why they are linked. The old Mac versus Windows/DOS/PC "flame wars" have always been, in great part, about conservatives and liberals. The conservatives, politically, have always been perceived to be Mr. "I'm A PC," while the liberals, politically, have always been the Mac guy. To me it is that simple, and it is still that way today. In some political discussion forums, dependent upon the level of discourse, discussions will often evolve into arguments about the use of computers in government and law enforcement and business and how such use if perceived to be either bad or good, again usually divided based upon political leanings. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I used to be, but I could not get much help wrt hardware - they mostly argued about which languages were better. On May 18, 2009, at 3:00 PM, mike wrote: Anyone out there on a politics list? Do they ever break out into computer subjects? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
