Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
I think we still can use abbreviations, sparingly, where there is unlikely to be a collision and where the added length is a detriment. For example: environment variable MCF_HOME jar prefix, e.g mcf-core.jar webapp name, e.g. mcf-crawler-ui.war I just didn't want there to be an issue with either the documentation or, especially, the source tree, again. Long form permissibility is still open, but I'm just sticking with ManifoldCF as the only project name/handle, for now. Karl On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: That sounds good, and it is great to finally see the project naming move towards a final form that can stand up to even the most rigorous challenge. Long live ManifoldCF! That said, we may still choose to informally refer to MCF or mcf, although we should of course promote the proper name, either as ManifoldCF or Apache ManifoldCF (or Apache Manifold Connectors Framework?), as often and widely as possible. Did we ever settle whether that long-form name with CF expanded was okay for descriptive purposes even if the official Apache project name is Apache ManifoldCF? -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:56 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF On reflection, I've actually decided to just use manifoldcf everywhere, just because that's least likely to run into problems in the long run. Karl On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I think using mcf in the package name and the names of the webapps will likely be fine. I'm less worried about everything else. Grant, any comments? Karl On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: I'm okay with all of that, but with a question whether we can get away with using an abbreviation in org.apache.mcf as opposed to org.apache.manifoldcf. And then, whether the graduated project would be at http://mcf.apache.org; or http://manifoldcf.apache.org;. I have no idea whether there might be pushback higher up on that, but my inclination is to go ahead with using mcf. I'll defer to Karl as to whether he wants to verify our assumption through/with Grant/et al or just go ahead. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:35 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF The vote passes. Barely. Total count +1. Although I believe we didn't hear from lots of folks that made ManifoldCF their #1 choice last time. So, our new name is ManifoldCF. I'm thinking this will translate to: org.apache.mcf MCFException MCF abbreviation ManifoldCF full name webapps mcf-crawler-ui, mcf-authority-service, mcf-api-service ... and I can begin to change the tree around probably by tomorrow morning. Sound okay to everyone? Karl
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
That sounds good, and it is great to finally see the project naming move towards a final form that can stand up to even the most rigorous challenge. Long live ManifoldCF! That said, we may still choose to informally refer to MCF or mcf, although we should of course promote the proper name, either as ManifoldCF or Apache ManifoldCF (or Apache Manifold Connectors Framework?), as often and widely as possible. Did we ever settle whether that long-form name with CF expanded was okay for descriptive purposes even if the official Apache project name is Apache ManifoldCF? -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:56 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF On reflection, I've actually decided to just use manifoldcf everywhere, just because that's least likely to run into problems in the long run. Karl On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I think using mcf in the package name and the names of the webapps will likely be fine. I'm less worried about everything else. Grant, any comments? Karl On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: I'm okay with all of that, but with a question whether we can get away with using an abbreviation in org.apache.mcf as opposed to org.apache.manifoldcf. And then, whether the graduated project would be at http://mcf.apache.org; or http://manifoldcf.apache.org;. I have no idea whether there might be pushback higher up on that, but my inclination is to go ahead with using mcf. I'll defer to Karl as to whether he wants to verify our assumption through/with Grant/et al or just go ahead. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:35 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF The vote passes. Barely. Total count +1. Although I believe we didn't hear from lots of folks that made ManifoldCF their #1 choice last time. So, our new name is ManifoldCF. I'm thinking this will translate to: org.apache.mcf MCFException MCF abbreviation ManifoldCF full name webapps mcf-crawler-ui, mcf-authority-service, mcf-api-service ... and I can begin to change the tree around probably by tomorrow morning. Sound okay to everyone? Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
I let the vote remain open to this evening. I tried to post to that effect but it didn't make it through for some reason. Anyway, vote is now closed. I'll post the results under a separate subject. Karl On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Karl, I've lost track of time. Did the simple up/down vote on ManifoldCF expire at 5:00 PM ET? -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:10 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl +1 - Mark
[RESULT][VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
The vote passes. Barely. Total count +1. Although I believe we didn't hear from lots of folks that made ManifoldCF their #1 choice last time. So, our new name is ManifoldCF. I'm thinking this will translate to: org.apache.mcf MCFException MCF abbreviation ManifoldCF full name webapps mcf-crawler-ui, mcf-authority-service, mcf-api-service ... and I can begin to change the tree around probably by tomorrow morning. Sound okay to everyone? Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was working too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and forgot about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names properly anyway. So... it's my fault that manicon wasn't there as the top choice when people voted! In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 and -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
We're trying for an up/down confirmation of ManifoldCF as a new name for the project. If it succeeds, that's our name. If it fails, it's on to the next-highest-ranking choice. Right now score is 0. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was working too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and forgot about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names properly anyway. So... it's my fault that manicon wasn't there as the top choice when people voted! In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 and -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
I'm with you Karl. +1 - Mark On 9/29/10 11:08 AM, Karl Wright wrote: May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Ah, okay, that's cool. So if the vote fails (= 0 or 0?), we would then vote on the next choice, which is... Manicon. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:01 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF We're trying for an up/down confirmation of ManifoldCF as a new name for the project. If it succeeds, that's our name. If it fails, it's on to the next-highest-ranking choice. Right now score is 0. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was working too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and forgot about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names properly anyway. So... it's my fault that manicon wasn't there as the top choice when people voted! In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 and -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl +1 - Mark
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
= 0 means failure. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Ah, okay, that's cool. So if the vote fails (= 0 or 0?), we would then vote on the next choice, which is... Manicon. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:01 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF We're trying for an up/down confirmation of ManifoldCF as a new name for the project. If it succeeds, that's our name. If it fails, it's on to the next-highest-ranking choice. Right now score is 0. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was working too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and forgot about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names properly anyway. So... it's my fault that manicon wasn't there as the top choice when people voted! In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 and -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Can we stick with a 8-person minimum quorum for this and most other votes? In other words the vote closes at the deadline if there is a quorum, other it stays open until 5 p.m. after there is a quorum. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:38 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF = 0 means failure. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Ah, okay, that's cool. So if the vote fails (= 0 or 0?), we would then vote on the next choice, which is... Manicon. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:01 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF We're trying for an up/down confirmation of ManifoldCF as a new name for the project. If it succeeds, that's our name. If it fails, it's on to the next-highest-ranking choice. Right now score is 0. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: My apologies for not vetting connex properly. I actually do recall seeing the sourceforge project project now when reminded of it, but I was working too quickly and didn't get around to editing my list right away and forgot about it. And I assumed that Karl was going to vet names properly anyway. So... it's my fault that manicon wasn't there as the top choice when people voted! In any case, I think I have lost track of where we were in the process... voting +1/-1 on keeping ManifoldCF vs. staying with Apache Connectors Framework, I think? And with other Karl and I voting on that so far (+1 and -1)? I'll let Karl send out a proper reminder of wherever he says we are. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF May I point out that we've been discussing this issue for over two months now? We just went through a process of gathering names, came up with some 35 candidates, and voted to rank them. This process just ended, our best candidate turned out to not have been submitted properly, but we still have some 15 other names that people legitimately selected, ranked in order. Prior to that, we did a previous round where we did EXACTLY the same thing, and Apache Connectors Framework was the winning selection, followed by ManifoldCF. It sounds now like you are looking for yet a third round? Unless you claim that the candidate list was simply not broad enough, I can see no hope of gain by doing that. Karl On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Some while back I suggested manifolio. But that breaches the four syllable rule :-) How about Manifole? I'd say rather than bursting into votes, keep the discussion going, I suspect you'll know when you've got enough of the community behind you, and when it is then worth wrapping the whole thing up with a vote - at which point the vote is a mere formality. Worth giving it the effort now, see this recent post [1] - a name is going to stay with us all for a long time! Upayavira [1] http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2010/09/first-time-right On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 20:08 -0400, Karl Wright wrote: Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky
[VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
You are correct about the rules. I added that name back in when we replaced the original vote for it with the name gathering exercise and then a vote, and I did not make it clear what I was doing. But then we still have to hold a vote on ManifoldCF, since that vote was aborted, and Grant did propose it as a name. Let me think about the proper way to handle this... Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Karl, you are the de facto naming czar. You get to take the community input and figure out how to interpret it so that it so that it reflects a general sense of the spirit of the community. So, now you get to rule on my objections to ManifoldCF! And the chips can fall where they may. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:46 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF I'm tempted. Apache Nothing has a nice ring to it. ;-) Maybe we should just give up with the voting and appoint a Naming Czar. Seriously. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
-1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
Actually, an abbreviation of AMCF is not bad either kinda like that myself. But I'm still not sure I like any of the book title choices I've offered myself here. Do we dare use Manifold Connectors Framework in Action? and describe AMCF as Manifold Connectors Framework at times? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF
That is roughly the usage I would expect. As far as a book title, tough call. There is the length issue. If somebody already knows of ManifoldCF, Apache ManifoldCF in Action makes sense, but Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action is a bit more descriptive. Bottom line, a name with three basic, core variations: ManifoldCF, MCF, Manifold Connectors Framework. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:04 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF If this is adopted, I'm thinking we could use it in the following ways: Abbreviation: MCF Short name: ManifoldCF Qualified short name: Apache ManifoldCF Fully qualified and unabbreviated name: the Apache Manifold Connectors Framework I'm not quite sure what the world will think of that last usage, since it does not contain the trademark. Then again, neither does the abbreviation. But I'm not sure I'd dare make the book title be Apache Manifold Connectors Framework in Action. It would probably need to be Apache ManifoldCF in Action, or just ManifoldCF in Action. Grant, you wrote a book. What do you think? Which title should be used? Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: -1 for me. Standing alone it's an okay name, but trying to actually use it is a pain (and we might as well call it MCF). But I'll certainly go along with the majority. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Ok, I just want an up-or-down vote on ManifoldCF at this point. +1 from me. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/28/10 7:10 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote: Fair enough. I could live with any of the other choices, but having this CF suffix really messes a lot of stuff up and is less practical than any of the other names. Basically, it means we may end up having to use MCF as the shorthand name. Wait... stop the presses... I just realized that ManifoldCF violates selection rule #5: (5) No more than 4 syllables Man-I-fold-C-F (or is in Ma-ni-fold-C-F.) That's five syllables. ManifoldCF was already in the running. And its obvious that having too many syllables is not a problem - it was the second most voted name - for the *second* time at least (who can track all these votes). And, technically, I would say that it at least half violates the spirit of rule #1: (1) It's a single word It is a single word plus this extra CF acronym thing. That's a stretch that the rational part of my brain is going to ignore. This is no argument. So, next candidate on the list was... Manicon, 19 Unless it has legal problems, it fits our requirements. Okay, lets vote again. For some reason ManifoldCF will stop topping the list why? Everyone will come to their senses? Some of us are so sick of this name thing we won't vote, and if your lucky those will be the ManifoldCF supporters? I mean come on... -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:52 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF Jack, That's one of the main purposes of having everyone list choices by priority. If one doesn't work, there are others you can use. I don't want to open that vote again unless the community decides that the list of candidate names was simply not rich enough to furnish a good choice. Karl On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Or Nocon or Noman. I know people are tired of voting, but I think we should really re-vote for the revised candidate list with Connex removed. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:43 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Rename Apache Connectors Framework to ManifoldCF hmmm...I think I'm all voted out. Can we just call it nothing? On 9/28/10 6:40 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Vote +1 to rename Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. Vote -1 to keep the project name of Connectors Framework, or to retain Connex, if that wins its vote. This vote also expires end of day on Friday. Note: Manifold is a trademark for a GIS software product. However, I agree with Grant that ManifoldCF appearing under the Apache label should be safe to be used. But you should recognize that this vote is not merely a referendum on the name itself, but also on the suitability of the name in a legal context. Karl
