RE: [Cooker] Totally failed install as of 09.08
Related question: What do you prefer when reporting an install time bug? I see people that submit reports from stuff other than simply surfing ttys. Various logs and outputs, and of course, whatnot. How (where?) is this made? In installer, put FAT floppy in drive, change to tty2 and type bug. You get report.log (I think) on floppy with most logs and some more info. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var
as far as eide hard drives is there not a bios setting to control that? --- Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nima S. Panahi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have had mixed results. I tried to keep my mouth shut during the whole thread, but I can't any longer. I experimented with Reiser since 7.2. All it did was each my paritions and I think the VIA bug has something to do with it. But this was not a rare occation, it ate my /home and /var multiple times and on different machines (all three had some VIA chipset as I only use AMD). Then, the newer Reiser version cameout and changing the paritions to those helped but I still saw problems where it reported a directory to have 2 gigs of data in it when I only had 400 megs! I must have been smoking something, because for my server, I went all ReiserFS with the latest 8.0. I was doing a switch from the old server to a new one and in the excitement I forgot about my ReiserFS problems. I almost switch back as soon as I realized what I had done. However, I just bited down and did regular backups waiting for when it went south. IT NEVER DID! I hope I am not talking too soon, but for a few months it has been running w/o any problems. I would still waite for it to mature more or use XFS, which I have used in many of my desktops. IMHO anyways... about reiserfs ate my /var partition, note that ext3 writeback mode where metadata only are journalized, you can still have old date or mix of old and new data in your files on remount after crash. ext3 ordered mode should be safer. but : note also that for eide disks, most of them works in writeback mode by default, ie the eide controller lye to the OS and say ok, it has just been written on the disk whereas it's only in the disk cache. so eide disks can lead to corruption dispite the medata journal. scsi disks should be safer here. there're also other hw problems than can lead to metadata corruption like the via bugs, the dma engine still writing do disk when the power is shoot down because it's powered longer than ram (ram needs to be refresh thousands times per second to keep its data), ... reiserfs = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] limiting access
Lonnie Cumberland wrote: Well, I was just thinking back to the days of Novell and seem to remember that when a user logged in, they were mapped into their own user space and generally did not have access to other areas. Well the days of Novell are not over yet. This OS still works in many places and preforms marvelously the task it is meant for. Besides, today one can easily use it from a Linux box. At least Mandrake 8 costed me less than 10 minutes to connect to our Novell 5 server. Btw, I think Mandrake people could help those in need to connect to a Novell server. All that is needed is to load the ipx module and make a small script where: ipx_configure --auto_primary on --auto_interface on ncpmount -S YOURSERVER -U user.context.context /mountpoint In some cases there is the need to forcefully specify the interface. This seems true for cases when your machine is not in the same LAN segment of the file server: ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.2 In most cases it is better to specify the server you wanna connect to. And obligatory to write your user name in full, context included. Ex. john.finances.acme.usa Et voila. Transfer speeds look worser on Linux but not much. In much cases they are acceptable. Now turning the theme to other aspect. Lonnie, don't mess a _file_server_ with an application server. The philosophy beyond Novell is a great one. But that's for file servers. In most cases, Novell is meant just for centralized massive storage with high preformance transfers. For users, there is nothing to do there, except store and retrieve files. And most apps in a Novell server are for administrative purposes only. Now UNIX is an application server system. Yes, today we use it as a desktop workhorse but even the user-friendly Mandrake still lives in the app-server world. And that's why we have mega-folders like /usr/bin and /usr/share or /usr/lib. Because applications are meant for general and broad use. This is good and bad. The good is that this is more economical than the Windows clobbering system. Yes, Windows had a good idea to divide apps on different folders. However it does not differ things on executables, libraries, documents or data. In result, you may fell that Windows is more organized than Linux but in fact you are getting doubling libraries, conflicts on installs, and a mess where God knows where that super-needed *.zzz file went to. Unix and Linux make the other way. They rarely divide applications from each other. However alll gurus, penguins and demons do hate to see a shared library in the wrong place. Or a program laying on some /opt/apt/ept/bin/sbin. There is a standard and the *NIX world does love it. This manages to make installs, upgrades and use much easier. The bad thing is that you get some super-mega directories to administrate. For the eye, it is a hell to look around more than 1500 files (right now I have 2111 in /usr/bin). If there is a task to restrict certain apps to different classes of users, then one may have a serious problem here. There are some solutions for this like using /usr/local or /opt. Well, /usr/local was made for such a thing. However, this can be used only in cases when you have three classes of users - administrative, advanced users and the not so advanced aka local users. That was the primordial idea of the Unix file hierarchy. Well, in most cases, such hierarchy is quite useful. but there are always exceptions that spoil the picture. I have seen situations where there is a need to make a division of users in 5 classes with a complex mix of rights. On Windows world, one can achieve such divisions by the use of such tools like Novell ZenWorks and Novell NDS. On Unix/Linux, the task may be achievable, but, it demands some good expertise and it will not be easy to administrate. Well, it is a pitty that Novell is mostly a demand-money corporation (they even started to charge their Novell 6Beta). So it is hard to predict that we will one day see NDSes or ZenWorkes in use here. But there is a light in the tunnel. First, it is the appearence of Ganymede, finally on version 1.0. This tool pretends to fill the gap of not having a free NDS system on *NIXes. It is still a far step away from NDS but I believe that it is already worth a use. Second, we are seeing the emergence of a true access control system on Linux. I hate partisan discussions, so I will mention several tools that I believe are worth a great future, sorry if I forget some other great ones: RSBAC, SELinux, LOMAC, LIDS, ACL for Linux. Some are still in the forge, other are already pretty workable. None of them may claim an universal answer for anything, for everything. In fact, all these and other admin tools, like atsar, have a red corner where they will shine. For example RSBAC may be useful to administer some large networks of workstations, the fascist SELinux looks good for server administration, while LOMAC or LIDS may
Re: [Cooker] Diff-ing for an RPM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a may ask a stupid question:where do you find what %setup (and other%) does? Check the mdk howto. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/howtos/mdk-rpm/
Re: [Cooker] Videolan!
In Fri, 10 Aug 2001, David Walluck cum veritate scripsit : Again, I can't see *removing* libcss for many applications. However, a NoSource RPM may be provided for it. Again it is up to you. Again (wrote it some weeks ago): Mdk /may/ distribute spec-files legally - especially with a reminder that users must not use the spec-files (and patches) for illegal purposes. There should be enough room left for a SPEC dir beside RPM and SRPM. :-) -- Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Frank Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8 Key fingerprint = 169A 1138 8DB4 528F 2F01 20A6 EDD8 49C3 5E75 6DA8
Re: [Cooker] moderated cooker mailinglist
--- Han [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is it an idea to start moderating this list. Or just have the policy not to reply to 8.0 support questions. It's about 50% off all the messages and they do get answered. Cya, Han. Just an idea: We use only one mailing list nhu*ng force sender to put something like [off-topic], [bug-report] [need support] in the subject of the email. Regards Nguyen Hung.Vu = Takeshi's small space http://www.geocities.com/vuhung16/vh16.html Join KDE-i18n-Vi? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KDE-i18n-VN __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Videolan!
Am 2001-08-01, um 12:56:57 (+0200) schrieb Grégoire Colbert: I tried to compile MPlayer a few days ago, and it complains about gcc-2.96 : Checking version of gcc ... 2.96, bad Please downgrade(upgrade) gcc compiler to gcc-2.95.2+ or gcc-3.0+ version I'm very interested if you can compile it. No problem here with ./configure --disable-gcc-checking The player works fine here ... -- _ Tschüss und bis demnächst/à bientôt, _|_|_ () * Stefan /v\ / »( )« Penguin Powered! +(m-m)--+
Re: [Cooker] PWM in /incoming
On Friday 10 August 2001 13:33, Grégoire Colbert wrote: - How do you make a i586 package? I could only make a i686... There is no configure with PWM, only a Makefile. You should create ~/.rpmrc that contains the following lines: buildarchtranslate: i386: i586 buildarchtranslate: i486: i586 buildarchtranslate: i586: i586 buildarchtranslate: i686: i586 C.
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.7-13mdk
Ainsi parlait Chmouel Boudjnah : [..] - Remove drm-update patch (P3004). - Remove i810-fixes patch (P3005). - Remove sis-fixes patch (P3006). - Remove drm-silence (P508). - Build old drm for if %build_8 is here. Ok, DRM, works fine now for my Rage128, thanks ! However, there was a configuration problem with (at least) xconfig and drm-related options. I had to manually insert the corresponding values in ..configure PS: has anyone ever sucedeed thrid race of tuxracer ? -- Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
[Cooker] mcc/printers screwd up my PPA Jaz drive
I'm using Jaz on parallel port. Testing mcc I pressed printers after that it proceeded installing some software. I let it be, looked at the start page and quit printers wizard (I do not actually have any printer to configure). After reboot I lost my Jaz. It turned out, mcc installed printer-filters that started some services. Obviously one of them messed up parallel port. I uninstalled printer-filters and got my Jaz again. So ... 1. I repeat - I DID NOT CONFIGURE ANYTHING. In this case I do not expect that deadly result. Let RPMs be installed, but why they start some services that I never asked for? 2. Would be nice if mcc warned me about possible problems in this case. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] small distro2
Hello All, I tried last night to download the Mandrake-developer directories along with Mandrake directories. The problem is that all of this stuff was over 11Gig and ran my drive out of space. How do I install cooker on my Mandrake 7.2? also, I have a partition that available that I want to use to build this 115Meg minimum distro onto but am not sure what Pixel means about the Load from floppy and use an empty auto_inst.cfg Could you please be a little more specific until I get the hang of how things work? Thanks, Lonnie Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow this is it!!! Now for the dumb question, ok. Where can I get this and do an install to test it out for myself? install cooker. at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy) Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Videolan!
Grégoire Colbert wrote: David Walluck wrote: Why is this okay, but you won't except mplayer (et al.) rpms. I don't mean you personally, but I haven't gotten word from anyone at Mandrake about this. I still have the SRPMS sitting around. Maybe grousse wants to help me on this, and then we can upload them to /incoming. I think the GSM audio codec also needs to be removed, but I'm currently not aware of how to do this. I tried to compile MPlayer a few days ago, and it complains about gcc-2.96 : Checking version of gcc ... 2.96, bad Please downgrade(upgrade) gcc compiler to gcc-2.95.2+ or gcc-3.0+ version I'm very interested if you can compile it. Grégoire There's an option to configure that tells it to ignore the gcc version. I'm running cooker and compiled it with 2.96 without any problems, once I forced it.
[Cooker] Install fails for non-english (Russian) locale
The installation failure I reported yesterday (unable to install most RPMs) is due to Russian locale I selected during installation. It is not related to selected FS type. IT WORKED BEFORE! What happened? -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora - to which category it belongs?
I cannot even find Aurora in tree package view when installing. I was lucky I started text install once and Aurora was on the first screen - else I would not even notice it is there. -andrej
[Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
I've tried to deselect everything and Aurora is still installed. WTF this is the last thing I'd expect to be installed BY DEFAULT. It belongs to fancy useless broken GUI toys group ... ... sorry, but it is the second day I try to install cooker just to find out that my locale is not supported. :( -andrej
[Cooker] evolution-0.12 importers problem
I have problems with evolution importers. I removed my ~/evolution dir and the importer window appears on first evolution launch. Then, the importer crashes. The messages show : Evolution-Importer-WARNING **: Could not activate_component OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Pine_Intelligent_Importer Evolution-Importer-WARNING **: Could not activate_component OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Netscape_Intelligent_Importer Evolution-Importer-WARNING **: Could not activate_component OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Elm_Intelligent_Importer Saving shortcuts -- /home/genaud/evolution/shortcuts.xml Maybe the service is not registered against the name-service. [bash] rpm -q evolution evolution-0.12-1mdk -- Stéphane Genaud ICPS-LSIIT, Université Louis Pasteur Pôle API, Bd. S. Brant, F-67400 Illkirch tel : (33)(0)390244542, 0619058113 (SFR)
[Cooker] New MCC kill KDE on exit...AGAIN
Just upgraded to the latest mcc packages only to find out after testing it that on exit it kills KDEjust like before 8.0. Aside that, it looks okllogdrake is a very useful tool. Keep up the good work!!! Cheers, Atha
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
First of all , why run a firewall with a Mandrake installation? They haven't
got a good security update system ,
the release of packets are way to early , other distributons would tag them
as unstable . The main reason to have a firewall
is security and not a nice graphical interface.
Debian for example takes up about 120 Mb of diskspace(Default installation
will of course make you able to run a firewall) ,
OpenBSD will take up even less , don't ask for something that already exist
in other distributions. Mandrake are excellent
on a desktop system , but on a server? No , not according to my opinion.
A bare minimum would be a nice option. I have a router/firewall at home
that I do put to occassional other uses. Starting it off from the
smallest possible install would be a nice choice.
Pixel wrote:
Grégoire Colbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What should I answer when a person, who want me to install Linux
onto
his computer, drop his jaws by learning it will takes about 2 GB?
but aren't you creating a /home? in that case why are you / (or /usr) so
huge?
create a 600MB /usr and it will fit in the allocated space.
i'm considering adding an unselect nearly everything or keep the
strict
minimum in the package selection tree. Would that please you?
[Cooker] rpm problems after clean install
[root@cooker root]# rpm -q perl package perl is not installed [root@cooker root]# rpm -qa | grep perl perl-MDK-Common-1.0.2-1mdk perl-gettext-1.0-9mdk perl-base-5.601-4mdk perl-GTK-0.7008-5mdk perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-5mdk [root@cooker root]# rpm -q rpm rpm-4.0.3-0.19mdk I've installed openssh and rpm still thinks it is not installed. Some packages are shown as installed some not. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 04:46:09PM +0200, Marco Wesselgren wrote: First of all , why run a firewall with a Mandrake installation? They haven't got a good security update system , the release of packets are way to early , other distributons would tag them as unstable . The main reason to have a firewall is security and not a nice graphical interface. Debian for example takes up about 120 Mb of diskspace(Default installation will of course make you able to run a firewall) , OpenBSD will take up even less , don't ask for something that already exist in other distributions. Mandrake are excellent on a desktop system , but on a server? No , not according to my opinion. Ever heard of SNF or corpo ..
RE: [Cooker] mcc in text mode?
Drakxtools - Hard Drive Configuration ^^ drakxconf of course Results in XID : CCPID : [root@cooker root]# and that's all. -andrej
RE: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
PS : for the other vision of minimal, that is No X, no apps, hardware support, and newt version of the drak tools, I wish text mode drakxtools really work :-(
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
During the bombing raid on Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:34:23 +0200 (CEST), Pixel was heard mumbling in fear: Grégoire Colbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: criticizing Emacs (and XEmacs) is risky business! It's not only risky, it's blasphemy! :P Vox, -- Pain is the gift of the gods, and I'm the one they chose as their messenger... For info on safety in the BDSM lifestyle http://www.the-vox.com Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. Vox populi, vox deii
[Cooker] buggy grub
Hello,. Found something weird in grub. If I select one of the choices at boot time and select to EDIT it, and select which line to edit, the arrow keys work, however the other keys don't do much. Seems like grub has a bunch of stuff in a string buffer somewhere, and trying to edit or add to a line causes it to throw that stuff up instead of what you type. Anybody else seen this? How to fix? V.
[Cooker] pcmcia CR-RW drives - finally figgered it out. Doh!
Hello OK, so maybe i'm totally stupid, or maybe we need to fix this. As many of you know - by seeing multiple pleas for help - that I have a Smart Friendly PCMCIA CR-RW drive that I've been trying to get Linux to work with for months. Today, while preparing to throw it across the room - inspiration finally hit. That little light clicked on. I had an epiphany. (an apostrophy? whatever) Used modprobe to UNLOAD the ide-scsi module, then reload it. Problem before was the drive didn't exist when the module was loaded - as PCMCIA services were loaded AFTER the the ide-scsi module was loaded. Running cdrecord -scanbus would only show the internal DVD drive at scsi bus 0 addres 0,0,0. Now, by removing and reinsterting the module, i can see the DVD at 0,0,0 and the CD-RW drive at 0,0,1 I CAN'T be the only one with a removable CD-RW drive. The drive is properly detected by setup. Heck, it even used to automatically append the hde=ide-scsi to the appropraite line in grub! Should we make this module unload and reload as part of the pcmcia startup script for a PCMCIA IDE CD drive? btw - asked this question in Mandrake Expert months ago.. should I log in as an expert and answer myself? V.
Re: [Cooker] ReiserFS killed my /var
does the eide disk problem also affect reiserfs? Should I disable writeback mode? --- Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about reiserfs ate my /var partition, note that ext3 writeback mode where metadata only are journalized, you can still have old date or mix of old and new data in your files on remount after crash. ext3 ordered mode should be safer. but : note also that for eide disks, most of them works in writeback mode by default, ie the eide controller lye to the OS and say ok, it has just been written on the disk whereas it's only in the disk cache. so eide disks can lead to corruption dispite the medata journal. scsi disks should be safer here. there're also other hw problems than can lead to metadata corruption like the via bugs, the dma engine still writing do disk when the power is shoot down because it's powered longer than ram (ram needs to be refresh thousands times per second to keep its data), ... reiserfs = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg/pgp key id 035213BC __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Failed install 531 - can't install dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm
hd expert install From [cooker]/root/install.log... /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.24282: rm: command not found execution of %post scriptlet from glibc-2.2.3-7mdk failed, exit status 127 [...] Last lines before You can safely reboot... vim-common-6.0-0.33mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD dev-3.2-2mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD sysklogd-1.4-11mdk.i586.rpm Installation CD From [cooker]/root/ddebug.log... * second stage install running (DrakX v1.531 built Wed Aug 8 13:27:07 2001) * warning: rm of /usr/share/locale failed: No such file or directory * warning: rm of /usr/share/locale_special failed: No such file or directory * errorOpeningFile Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/share/locale_special/en/LC_MESSAGES/libDrakX.mo * warning: insmod'ing module ppa failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm line 594. [...] -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586, kernel 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin-pnr, XFree86 4.0.3, patch level 11mdk, KDE: 2.1.2, Qt: 2.3.1. Uptime 0 hours 26 minutes
RE: [Cooker] Totally failed install as of 09.08
On 10 Aug 2001 12:31:09 +0400, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: Related question: What do you prefer when reporting an install time bug? I see people that submit reports from stuff other than simply surfing ttys. Various logs and outputs, and of course, whatnot. How (where?) is this made? In installer, put FAT floppy in drive, change to tty2 and type bug. You get report.log (I think) on floppy with most logs and some more info. -andrej Danke schon. I'm off to fail an install. ;)
Re: [Cooker] Aurora is installed even if everything deselected
On 10 Aug 2001 17:40:38 +0400, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: I've tried to deselect everything and Aurora is still installed. WTF this is the last thing I'd expect to be installed BY DEFAULT. It belongs to fancy useless broken GUI toys group ... Problem is there isn't a fancy useless gui toys group so there is not a naturly place to put Aurora. In the alphabetic list you can deselected it. ... sorry, but it is the second day I try to install cooker just to find out that my locale is not supported. :( -andrej
[Cooker] eroaster bug work around
umm.. I got the file name into the field with the browse button, when it bombed. Going back into the file name field and manually inserting a double quote at the begining and end of the line worked. Eroaster is now happily burning a cd! V.
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
On Friday 10 August 2001 01:15 pm, you wrote: Hmmm, perhaps time to take a couple steps back and look at the issue from a fresh angle. vi is just as newbie-vicious as emacs, with its two modes and such. Should we be looking at a minimal install for a newbie or should we be installing a useful set? I think the latter, if we can agree on what a useful set would be. But we will obviously lack such agreement. We have this integrated menu structure, and it describes needs If we modified the database for menus and added a needslevel= to it so that this worked out to a number that is a power of a single prime. Let's say we use 3, 5, 7, 11 For each prime number we could define levels lets say up to the fourth power. Each person interested in this takes a track and announces a territory... Like Python-based simple newbie apps, cooledit, etc. could be a territory. Motif-like tools could be a territory (Xfce, Nedit, etc) This is set up in 4 levels corresponding to needslevel=7, 49, 343, 2401, for example using the 7s track. In the needslevel=2401, you put exactly one editor, one filemanager, one web browser, one email program. Groups agree which to choose based on the criteria of compatibility with other packages and ease of use. Then if a user is set up with menulevel=2401 or any multiple of 2401, this menu manager revision will show him the needslevel=2401 group. He will also see it (and other items) if his level is any multiple of 343 except a multiple of 2401, and still more if it is some multiple of 49 but not a multiple of 343, and everything the 7s group chose if his menulevel is 7 or any non-7 multiple of 7. So a newbie gets a selection made by folks who sincerely believe that is his best choice, and he can see more by modifying his level, when he is ready. And an expert can choose menulevel 1 which shows everything installed And mixes from the selection groups are possible. Newbie selections from the 3s group and the 5's group are at menulevel=50625 in some yet-to-be named resource file in the user's home. What is the advantage? Well, you can proceed without agreement and let user choice be the arbiter. You don't _need_ to have a minimal install to serve a newbie. Disk space is continuing to cheapen. Basically you can have many users on the _same_ system, with the _same_ installed packages and totally disjoint menus. Then who should the minimum install be for? For the experts, who want to roll their own, and then it is simply a convenience feature. And for people adjusting systems for newbie users, what is herein proposed is a low-inertia feature set. The feature set can be changed almost trivially without having to worry about installing--everything is already installed, all it has to be is activated. And then of course we have needslevel=13 editor=emacs email=emacs browser=Xemacs shell=eshell Windowmanager=Xemacs ...it works.-) All kidding aside, the main thing blocking a simple newbie environment is the task of defining it. I have demonstrated here that a method exists to accommodate multiple definitions with very minor modifications to existing structure. So how about making a definition? If you really want to try, I would recommend recruiting a group to do this and setting up a project on sourceforge. If that actually happens, I will volunteer my expertise in consensus-building tools to the project. Civileme The elegance of your dissertation is awe inspiring!!! JoAnne -- Founding member of AILLING **Acronymically Impaired Linux Lovers Increasing Needed Grumbling**
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
Ainsi parlait Guillaume Cottenceau : Marco Wesselgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all , why run a firewall with a Mandrake installation? They haven't got a good security update system , the release of packets are way to early , other distributons would tag them as unstable . The main reason to have a firewall is security and not a nice graphical interface. For your information, this is not the mandrake-flame Mailing List. So, where can we found this last one :-) ? -- Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] perl-ldap-0.24-1mdk
Vincent Saugey wrote: --=-=-= Name: perl-ldapRelocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.24 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Wed Aug 8 11:49:53 2001 Install date: (not installed) Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com Group : Development/Perl Source RPM: (none) Size: 181444 License: Artistic Packager: Vincent Saugey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Summary : Perl module for ldap Description : The perl-ldap distribution is a collection of perl modules which provide an object orientated interface to LDAP servers. The perl-ldap distribution has several advantages -By using the perl object interface the perl-ldap modules provide programmers with an interface which allows complex searches of LDAP directories with only a small amount of code. -All the perl-ldap modules are written entirely in perl, which means that the library is truly cross-platform compatible. --=-=-= * Wed Aug 08 2001 Vincent Saugey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.24-1mdk - First mdk release -- http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 first David BAUDENS wrote: [Contrib-RPM] --=-=-= Name: perl-perl-ldap Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.22 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 2mdk Build Date: Thu May 17 09:08:45 2001 Install date: (not installed) Build Host: ke.mandrakesoft.com Group : Development/Perl Source RPM: (none) Size: 115808 License: Distributable Packager: Linux-Mandrake Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://perl-ldap.sourceforge.net/ Summary : A Perl module for Lightweight Directory Access Protocol Description : LDAP is the de facto Internet directory standard, supported by companies such as Netscape, Microsoft, IBM and Novell. LDAP will be an integral part of Internet platform offerings including Netscape's ONE and Microsoft Exchange 5.0. The perl-ldap distribution is a collection of perl modules which provide an object orientated interface to LDAP servers. --=-=-= * Thu May 17 2001 David BAUDENS [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.22-2mdk - Allow build for non ix86 cpus -- http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 and it is on /incoming ...from the beginning of the world
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
On 10 Aug 2001, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS : for the other vision of minimal, that is No X, no apps, hardware support, and newt version of the drak tools, I wish text mode drakxtools really work :-( Report bugs. I do. See another mail. Even reproduced :-) Currently I am really interested in building minimal installation (for use as proxy) so I'll give it more attention. So far, if text mode drakxocnf is what I get selecting text mode install (I guess) it provides less features than GUI, expect precise list later. Unfortunately, just currently both GUI and text versions do completely work :-) -andrej
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
I'm not claiming that Mandrake are insecure , just saying that there are more secure systems. Let's take two other operating system that are in general secure and compare them to Mandrake The first one Debian Debian releases packages in two groups Stable and Unstable , Stable has been tested for security and that it's actually stable on a running server. All packages released to Mandrake are directly from the CVS , almost anyway, and the bugtesting is up to the user , the package released haven't been tested enough(It takes some time to go through the code to remove obvious and less obvious exploit possibilities, it also takes time to remove bugs that can make your product vunerable to DOS attacks). Debian has an established way to patch the system called apt-get , you can run it from a script every hour if you feel like it. You use it like this and as you can see it connect's to a server containing all the latest patches to keep your system secure. Login via SSH(Secure Shell) Beefy:/etc/X11/xdm# apt-get update Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Release Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Beefy:/etc/X11/xdm# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Beefy:/etc/X11/xdm# Yes you have mandrakeupdate which is a gui tool , how do you use that one on a server located 500 miles from you with the only possibilty to login is SSH(If you use telnet or RSH your main concern isn't security) , you could do it manually = it might not be done that often --- You've got yourself an insecure system. Another thing : A mail from debian security , concerning all distros, July 28, 2001 - Package : apache,apache-ssl Problem type : remote exploit Debian-specific : no Couldn't find anything about it on the Mandrake security list and what I could see the last patch released from Mandrake was released 2001-07-25 , went through the bugtraq list and found several things that should affect the Mandrake distribution , but nothing could be found att Mandrake security ,you can check for yourself in the bugtraq archives. The last thing a quote taken from the fw dist of Mandrake Easy to use remote web interface , The reason for running a webserver on a firewall , to make it more secure? don't think so. The other one OpenBSD, well a quote from http://www.openbsd.org says it all :) Four years without a remote hole in the default install! I work as a System Administrator for stockmarket systems and we have security and stability as our main focus , we run every system on Debian and our firewalls are running OpenBSD. A few last word , want this thread to end , a system isn't more secure then the person who administer it makes it , but if he doesn't have the means to keep it secure it won't be secure. And yes I rather choose Mandrake on a firewall then a Windows version , but why not choose the most secure system while you're at it? On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Marco Wesselgren wrote: For your information , I'm not flaming Mandrake , just pointing out that it might not be the best choice if you're going to run a firewall or another system that are being exposed to potential threats. What precisely is so insecure about Mandrake compared with other distros? I mean, if you make such statement, you should have some reason. -andrej
[Cooker] Bastille: perl-TK needs rebuilding
[root@silbermann guillaume]# InteractiveBastille Using Tk user interface module. Only displaying questions relevant to the current configuration. Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux/auto/Tk/Tk.so' for module Tk: /usr/lib/libpt.so.1: undefined symbol: __ti8iostream at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/DynaLoader.pm line 206. at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Bastille_Tk.pm line 67 Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Bastille_Tk.pm line 67. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/Bastille_Tk.pm line 67. Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 276. -- Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key http://bohm.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
[Cooker] xfs
I keep reading things like this on the kde mailing lists... Yes, only use xfs with xfree3.3.6. You should disable it in services setup otherwise. Xfree4 has its own inbuilt server module for non AA and a separate module for AA. I suggest that if you choose XF4 on install, then xfs should be deselected and DrakX should add the font paths to XF86Config-4. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586, kernel 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin-pnr, XFree86 4.0.3, patch level 11mdk, KDE: 2.1.2, Qt: 2.3.1. Uptime 4 hours 51 minutes
[Cooker] Mandrake Installation process
Hello All, Is there a document explaining exactly what files are executed during the install boot-up sequence? I would like to know more about the Mandrake installer from begining to final OS installation and configutation. In particular, I am interested in what is the first file that is executed and what configuration files does it use, then what happens next .. Could anyone please enlighten me as to this whole process in some specific details. Cheers, Lonnie Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Hello Pixel,
sorry to bother you but could you please tell me the next steps to take?
install cooker.
I have just downloaded the entire COOKER directory from the Mandrake-Developer
and am readdy to try to install the 115Meg onto a Linux partition that I have.
at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the
Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy)
Where do I find this floppy image on which to place the auto_inst.cfg
Could only find auto_inst.cfg.pl in the cooker directory.
Is this just one of the regular boot/net/hd install images?
Cheers,
Lonnie
Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This sound interesting
Is this 115Meg size distro part of the current Mandrake install?
yep (i've just tested it)
Also, if so then is there a way to find out a list of the rpms that
are
installed with this distro.
yep, here it is:
ash autologin bash bdflush bzip2 chkconfig common-licenses
console-tools
cracklib cracklib-dicts db1 dev devfsd diffutils dynamic e2fsprogs
etcskel
filesystem fileutils gcc3.0-cpp gettext-base getty_ps glibc grep
groff-for-man
grub gzip hdparm info info-install initscripts iputils isapnptools
kernel
ldconfig libbzip2_1 libext2fs2 libglib1.2 libgpm1 libintl1 libnewt0.50
libslang1 libstdc++2.10 libtermcap2 libutempter0 lilo locales
locales-en
logrotate losetup man mandrake-release menu Mesa-common mkinitrd
mktemp
modutils mount msec nfs-utils-clients ntsysv passwd perl-MDK-Common
popt
portmap procps psmisc pwdb rootfiles rpm rxvt sed shadow-utils
sh-utils
syslinux SysVinit tar termcap textutils tmpwatch utempter util-linux
vim-minimal which XFree86 XFree86-libs XFree86-server XFree86-xfs
xinitrc
zlib1
% rpm -qa --qf %{size} %{name}\n | sort -n | tail
1935133 console-tools
2259994 util-linux
3640938 locales
3801150 menu
4080134 rpm
5706048 XFree86-libs
13317224 kernel
16168021 glibc
18247825 XFree86
21475298 XFree86-server
(but beware, rpm size installed size due to %lang tagged files)
Lonnie Cumberland
OutStep Technologies Incorporated
URL: http://www.outstep.com
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