[Cooker] Proposal: rpmdrake/Mandrake Update
To Mandrake Users and Developers, I propose that the old rpmdrake be salvaged from wherever it is now, and it can be called rpmdrake. The new stuff should be a new piece of software, and I think that perhaps it should be combined with whatever used to be called "Mandrake Update" to form a new "Mandrake Update2" (with enhancements). "Mandrake Update" was always sort of a rinky-dink thing anyways, sort of a copy of Redhat's update utility, great for newbie's who want to update a few packages from Mandrake's Updates/Errata directory on the mirrors, but sort of limited for medium-to-power users. It could benefit from a few extra features, and still remain easy to use for newbie users. If what I propose is done, there will be 2 pieces of software: 1) rpmdrake: a full-featured front-end to urpmi/rpm/whatever, just like the rpmdrake that shipped with 8.2 2) Mandrake Update: the same old Mandrake Update PLUS an "Install New Software" section which allows newbies to install any software from their CDs, and allows them to select a mirror if they are adventurous enough (which they can do through the "Add Sources" area). It will also allow them to remove software through the "Remove Software" section. Of course these 4 options will all be accessible with large pretty-looking buttons in a single main-frame GUI. Clicking on one of the 4 buttons will open a new panel/dialog. This is an alternative to have 4 menu entries. If you don't feel like making a formal reply to this, please reply with +1 in the first line of the body if you think this is a good idea, or a -1 in the first line of the body if you think this is a bad idea for whatever reason. (This is used frequently on OpenOffice mailing lists and I find it works quite well in some cases). Cheers, David Grant
Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!
I know. I just thought it was funny that you called someone who is using Mandrake a "Windows" user. Scott Rainaldo wrote: >Referring to my previous "Windoze" comment, I was >talking about potential Windoze->(Mandrake)Linux >converts. > > >---- Begin Original Message > >From: David Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:15:14 -0700 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic >rpmdrake !!! > > > > >Scott Rainaldo wrote: > > > >>Windoze users would assume that the >>application crashed. >> >> >> >I didn't know that rpmdrake was ported to Windows? =) > >
Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!
Scott Rainaldo wrote: >Windoze users would assume that the >application crashed. > I didn't know that rpmdrake was ported to Windows? =) >Not >to be antagonistic, but it would be nice to see >some kind of explanation for the interface >"enhancements" to the new rpmdrake. > I originally assumed that it was an early, early beta to the new rpmdrake, and that some other features had actually been re-written, but just hadn't been integrated in yet. It's just a GUI issue, I'm sure that all the old functionality is still there underneath. Or perhaps it was a complete re-write, in which case I would assume that they are still working to re-write parts of the code, but didn't have time to get it all done for 9.0beta2.
Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!
I am not sure I understand what you mean here. Why would you want cancel removals if they will cause conflicts? And if don't mind risking a conflict, you should be using rpm, not urpmi. Tom Whiting wrote: >There SHOULD be an option to cancel existing removals (ie: your package >will involve xxx other packages being removed) >
Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!
I sort of agree, although my criticism of the new version is not so harsh. Simplicity is always better, although not at the sacrifice of necessary features. My main points: 1) The ability to search through titles or descriptions should be brought back 2) All the facilities of rpmdrake should be accessible from one GUI, not 4 (!!!) menu entries! 3) When installing/removing packages, once a certain package is selected, it should be shown in a list, so that the user knows which packages are currently selected for installation/removal. 4) It should be possible to remove and install packages simultaneously, just like in the old rpmdrake. 5) BUG: rpmdrake closes right away after installing a package. Expected behaviour: it should stay open, in case you want to install some more. Please lets add on to this list, telling developers exactly what we liked about the old rpmdrake, and provide developers with some clear and precise things to improve upon in the new one. David Grant Mircea Ciocan wrote: > OK, I could live without the breezecom driver but today I updated > cooker fron Saturday and saw what becomed of rpmdrake, and with all > due respect for the coders is a steaming pile of sh..t, please explain > to a guy who LOVED the the 8.1/8.2 style, why for God sake was > necessary to butcher such a nice and functional utility and transform > it in such a nonfunctional garbage > I mean those ridicolus dialogs, the imposibility of setting your own > mirror, the butt ugly presentation of packages and so on, was anybody > complainig that the previous incarnation was to good or what ??? > I really can explain why was necesary to destroy on of the strongest > points of selling of that distribution and endlessly confuse ordinary > people converted to Linux that started to undersand to like it. > Even more, is that the old interface available somewhere, could it > be possible to have an old style rpm or what contribution or lobby is > necesarry to revert to the old and nice style of rpmdrake, I have a > strong feeling that I'm not the only one who wants back the old and > nice interface. > > Mircea C. > > P.S. On a side note cooker insalled flawlessly on my crappy Dell > Latitude and it works very well, also the today update made via urpmi > --auto-select ( sniff, snifff ;) > > >
[Cooker] upgrade 8.2-9.0
Hi, I have a general question about upgrading from MDK 8.2 to 9.0. Is is possible to do an upgrade package-by-package manually? I tried doing this from 8.1->8.2 but I had lots of libpng dependancy problems, so I did a clean install. I could just do the upgrade option in the installer but I like having control. I currently have KDE3 installed in /opt/kde3 with the non-cooker packages which were meant to be compatible with KDE2. I'm just wondering if there would be any major roadblocks ahead, similar to the libpng problems I had before. I would be easy to get around those dependancy problems by the way...just symlink to the new libpng and use the --force option...but I don't like tricking rpm. Thanks, David Grant
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 Suggestion: More themes
Texstar makes RPMs, and he made a liquid-mosfet RPM for Mandrake 8.2. At least I think it was him. He also made a Keramik RPM. They are located at: ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/Mandrake-8.2 His website is: http://www.pclinuxonline.com My suggestion is that you beg him to build his RPMs for Mandrake 9.0. It would be a simple change, basically just changing references from /opt/kde3 to /usr David Grant Jure Repinc wrote: > Hello all > > I know you have more important work to do but I see a lot of users on > the internet asking for more themes included for window managers. For > example a lot are asking for Mosfet Liquid and Keramik for KDE. And I > agree with them as these two are some of the best themes ever. Maybe > you can hae someone create special Mandrake theme for WMs. For usuall > users it is very important how their desktop looks and i am sure they > would appreciate visual eye candy included into the distribution. >
[Cooker] Bug in CD-Rom Mount Point in Control Centre
To reproduce: From fresh 9.0beta2 install, Go to Mandrake control center Click on CD Burner moint point Click on options and then OK Click on "User", then okay. It freezes However, if instead of just clicking on "User", you click on "User" AND click on "supermount", it does not freeze. David Grant
[Cooker] General comments and some bugs
Wow, the install of 9.0beta2 was simpler than it has ever been before. I especially like the new XFree86 setup. Just a couple coments: 1) My network card is sort of detected twice. It's probably not detected twice, but from the GUI dialogs that pop up, it seems like it is. The message I get is: "Found National Semi | DP83810 10/100 Ethernet network/main interfaces. Do you have another one?" When I click "no", the same question comes up again. I press "no" again, and then finally the installer moves on... BTW, this has been around since 8.1 I think. Can be very confusing for a new user, and makes an experienced user scratch their head a bit too. 2) For the language selection screen, there is something that has come to annoy me after installing Mandrake about 20 times since 8.0: Can we just have one list for users to select the languages, and then allow the user to select their default? 3) During the first boot, and every boot thereafter, I get a "FAILED" (in red letters) message on the F1 virtual terminal/screen, but when I press F4, F12, F11, or whatever, there is no failed there? All I see is "OK" (in green letters). And on the F1 screen it doesn't even really show what caused the FAILED, because there is nothing written directly to the left of the FAILED. 4) Can the KDE defaults be made a little nicer? This has always been annoying to me. For example can we increase the default mouse accceleration to 4x? How about making the icons in the Panel larger? This is changed in KDE Control Center -> LookNFeel -> Panel-> Position -> Size. I think that "small" is so butt-ugly, and medium is much better. Can we also add more default icons to the desktop? Like how about putting rpmdrake on the desktop? 5) Complaints/bugs about rpmdrake: -About rpmdrake, every time I install a package, it exits after installing a package. -How can I search via description or name? there is no option to toggle this as before -How do I know which packages I've selected for installing so far? -Why do we have 4 menu entries for rpmdrake derivatives? -Why not have one central GUI like before? I don't see what was so wrong with the old rpmdrake that you had to change it. 6) Harddrake bug -Harddrake fails on boot up. In /var/log/boot.log it says "harddrake: failed " -When you click on a device in the scrollpane, the scrollpane automatically jumps to the top of the list, while leaving the just-clicked item selected. Very annoying. Thanks for a great install though! And most things I've tried so far work great. (I like the new Mozilla fonts package!) David Grant
Re: [Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
Good news, ogg vorbis seems to work in 9.0b2. Thanks to whoever fixed something from 8.2->9.0
[Cooker] Noatun doesn't start in 9.0b2
I am using kdemultimedia-3.0.2-4mdk and noatun crashes when I try to run it. The backtrace is: 0x411615e9 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #0 0x411615e9 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #1 0x411dd340 in sys_sigabbrev () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #2 0x40fa0a73 in waitpid () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #3 0x40730815 in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) (sig=11) at kcrash.cpp:224 I'm not sure if this helps. I'm using CD1 from MDK-9.0b2, and I installed kdemultimedia from the hawaii cooker ftp site. David Grant
Re: [Cooker] Cooker as of 22/06/2002 pressing F1 more options oninstall CD
I'm also seeing this blue-ish screen, although you could also describe it as grey-ish. I tried blindly typing "linux" and hitting enter, but that didn't work. I may have typed in it wrong though. David Grant Max Bernard wrote: >I've also seen the "blue-screen-after-hitting-F1" problem. However, blindly >typing >"rescue" and hitting has worked both times I've tried it. > >- Original Message - >From: "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:07 AM >Subject: Re: [Cooker] Cooker as of 22/06/2002 pressing F1 more options on >install CD > > > > >>On Friday 09 August 2002 05:17 am, John J. Allen wrote: >> >> >>>Pressing F1 more options on install CD, just produces a nice blue >>> >>> >screen. > > >>For me also. I 've read about 'grey' screens from others. Mine was a very >> >> >pale > > >>lavender-blue color. >> >> >>
Re: [Cooker] ADSL feature request
I thought there already was this feature in the Networking part of the Mandrake control center? If I am wrong then this would definitely be a cool feature. I usually just do "ifconfig eth0 down, ifconfig eth0 up" at the command prompt for my DHCP connection Florent BERANGER wrote: > Hi, > >it will be very cool if we'll have an "auto-reconnect" >option for ADSL (and other ?) connection configuration. >Thanks to take a look to it, > > Florent >-- >Pendant tout l'été, le modem ADSL Tiscali est gratuit. >Profitez en pour passer au Haut Débit ! >Cliquez ici, http://register.tiscali.fr/adsl/ >Offre soumise à conditions. > > > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
No, I was using all the MDK 8.2 packages, which are all ogg-vorbis 1.0rc3 for encoding and playback. Sorry, I think I'll stop posting for now, until I actually try 9.0beta2 tonight. I just wanted to get a feel for what success people are having with the ogg packages in 9.0 before I try it tonight. I try it right out of the box and see what happens. Danny Tholen wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >I noticed that some old oggs do not play with 1.0. Maybe that is what causing these >failures. >They are probably encoded by an earlier version, which might be slightly >incompatible. For people >who do not hear sound: Try encoding a file with the 1.0 version and try playing that. > > >
Re: [Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
Jason Wood wrote: >On Friday 09 Aug 2002 7:35 pm, Brook Humphrey wrote: > > >>Well I didn'try encodeing but xmms plays mp3 just fine ogg doesn't play. So >>playback is broke. >> >> > >When I start xmms from the shell, I get this error message : > >/usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3: undefined symbol: vorbis_synthesis_trackonly > >which I assume is a likely candidate for why ogg support isn't working at the >moment. > I think you should tell us which version of Mandrake and which xmms and vorbis rpms you are using.
Re: [Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
Brook Humphrey wrote: >On Friday 09 August 2002 11:16 am, David Grant wrote: > > >Well I didn'try encodeing but xmms plays mp3 just fine ogg doesn't play. So >playback is broke. > > Yeah, when I was tring to playback ogg files, they would just keep repeating about a 1 second clip, kind of a like a broken record.
Re: [Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
Brook Humphrey wrote: >On Friday 09 August 2002 10:37 am, David Grant wrote: > > >>Just curious, has anyone tested the ogg vorbis stuff in Mandrake >>9.0beta1 or 2? Mine doesn't work in 8.2, and I couldn't upgrade the ogg >>and vorbis rpms, because there are many other dependancy issues, the >>most annoying being a kde dependancy, which I didn't feel like breaking. >> I know the package structure changed a bit from ogg-vorbis 1.0rc3 to >>1.0. If no one can confirm that ogg vorbis works well in 9.0beta, then >>I can test it extensively. In fact I'm downloading the isos right now, >>so I'll be able to check myself later tonight. But I just wanted to >>find out if anyone and any luck or lack thereof with ogg vorbis in MDK >>9.0 before I start testing tonight. >> >>D. Grant >> >> >Just tried it in beta 1 and it is still broke. > > Which part of it is broke for you? For me, it was the playback that was broken. Whether I used xmms or noatun, it never worked, which means it must be ogg-vorbis that was causing the problem. I also thought maybe it was just the Mandrake packages there were broken, because I heard from some other people with different distros whose ogg-vorbis worked fine. So I think the MDK packages are messed up. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
[Cooker] Ogg vorbis in 9.0 vs. 8.2
Just curious, has anyone tested the ogg vorbis stuff in Mandrake 9.0beta1 or 2? Mine doesn't work in 8.2, and I couldn't upgrade the ogg and vorbis rpms, because there are many other dependancy issues, the most annoying being a kde dependancy, which I didn't feel like breaking. I know the package structure changed a bit from ogg-vorbis 1.0rc3 to 1.0. If no one can confirm that ogg vorbis works well in 9.0beta, then I can test it extensively. In fact I'm downloading the isos right now, so I'll be able to check myself later tonight. But I just wanted to find out if anyone and any luck or lack thereof with ogg vorbis in MDK 9.0 before I start testing tonight. D. Grant
[Cooker] urpmi and webfetch
Why does urpmi require webfetch? Webfetch is not even available as an rpm in the primary Cooker mirror. And it has no listing whatesoever on rpmfind.net? If this dependancy it wrong, can we have it removed, or if webfetch is in fact required, can we add it to the cooker? Thanks, David p.s. Please send replies to e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks
