Re: [Cooker] kde 3.0 for MDK8.2/MDK8.1 updated on ftp.kde.org
On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 01:07:59 -0800 , Laurent Montel wrote: Hi, I recreated all kde packages for MDK8.2/8.1, and uploaded them on ftp.kde.org. = fix bug with update menu = add missing menu entry = fix crash in noatun = some other fix. Regards. Is there going to be a kde-i18n-tr3-3.0-1mdk.noarch.rpm ? ^^ Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] Why is Mandrake ignoring Turkish support ?
It has been more than 2 months, that I have been reporting to several mandrake people about what is wrong, and how to fix it, but nothing has been done, 8.2 came out broken, and Turkish does not work neither in console nor in kde (both 2 and 3). My late messages are being ignored. And now there is no kde3-i18n-tr.mdk.rpm for mandrake, neither in cooker nor at the kde servers. Still the package is there for other distributions like redhat. Why ? PS: I am sending this again, as it never made it to the list for about a day... Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Why is Mandrake ignoring Turkish support ?
CC for KDE, the problem is known since far before the first beta of 8.2 CC Pablo had posted a patch for 8.1 in the i18n list, that I've corrected CC and sent again to the i18n list several months ago. Thank you. But it never made it to the public, neither in errata or else. I have been doing it with something similiar here, for Turkish users. CC But it has not been integrated into 8.2... Thats what I am keen on. It is something very important, and since it is a bug of 8.1, and I reported it several times (before beta as you said also) it never made it to 8.2 It is normal that there are bugs in 8.1, but it should not be ordinary, that these are not corrected in 8.2, several months and several reports after. CC The problem is the following : CC the .po locale files are coded in unicode (utf8) but their header CC indicate a wrong iso code. CC The patch consists only in editing all those files and replacing CC iso8859-9 by utf8, and also in /usr/share/locale/tr/charset CC I join the small script that corrects that automatically. CC (It works for 8.1 and 8.2) CC regards CC Christophe Combelles Actually I have the correct mo files, that have been correctly coded and written. All that is needed is to replace the mo files in the rpm, should not be that hard. I had sent by mail, sent an url to download, I don't know what else I should do. Also now, there is no i18n for KDE3, and the console is broken too. People want to install their mandrake and read/write comfortably without working on scripts or patches or extra rpms. Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Why is Mandrake ignoring Turkish support ?
Friday, April 05, 2002, 3:43:00 PM, you wrote: W Onur Kucuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It has been more than 2 months, that I have been reporting to several mandrake people about what is wrong, and how to fix it, but nothing has been done, 8.2 came out broken, and Turkish does not work neither in console nor in kde (both 2 and 3). My late messages are being ignored. And now there is no kde3-i18n-tr.mdk.rpm for mandrake, neither in cooker nor at the kde servers. Still the package is there for other distributions like redhat. Why ? W ? W [warly@yop]$ isoinfo -l -R -i /iso/8.2/i586/DLE-82EN03.iso | grep kde-i18n-tr W -r--r--r-- 400 936024 Mar 13 2002 [ 55230] kde-i18n-tr-2.2.2-1mdk.noarch.rpm The files for kde 2.2.x are broken. They display unicode-style instead of iso. There is no KDE-3 i18n for Turkish (mdk.rpm) Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] font bugs in KDE and OpenOffice.org using imported Windows TT fonts.
Have you tried opening spadmin (coming with openoffice) and defining the fonts to use ? Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] Translation of some of MDK pages
I am planning to translate some of the pages in the linux-mandakecom (like screenshots, demos, features, tutorials) into Turkish and publish them in mandrakelinuxorgtr, of course by giving reference to the original site Are there any copyright issues or anything I must do about this ? Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoocom address at http://mailyahoocom
[Cooker] Autoinstall
Have trouble with the autoinstall with beta 2 I dont know if it have been fixed with something later When I boot from the autoinstall image floppy, it straight runs the setup, at the syslinux, where I need to pass some options to the kernel to let the setup run, like linux noauto Without this, the setup freezes at the start of X At least a delay of a second should be given to let me type the parametres, or the options I added, should be recorded to the autoinstall image Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoocom address at http://mailyahoocom
Re[2]: [Cooker] Autoinstall
P Onur Kucuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have trouble with the autoinstall with beta 2. I dont know if it
have been fixed with something later.
When I boot from the autoinstall image floppy, it straight runs the
setup, at the syslinux, where I need to pass some options to the
kernel to let the setup run, like
linux noauto.
P - modify the syslinux.cfg on the floppy.
P - or add
P X = { card = { driver = mga } },
P to the auto_inst.cfg.pl (on the floppy), replacing mga by the driver needed
P on the box.
But the trouble is not about the detection of the card. It is the
place `where abouts` the system freezes.
It is because of the new P4 irq controlling system. The kernels dont
support it well, and as long as you have many devices on a i845
board, using many irqs, it freezes, regardless of the card.
Regards,
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[Cooker] Mozilla 0.9.8 is out
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Re: [Cooker] Aurora ISO-8859-2 text
RV Hi cookers, RV my Aurora booting screen has wrong font for Czech messages. It must be RV ISO-8859-2 instead ISO-8859-1. RV Booting in non-fb mode is OK. RV R.V. How can it be changed ? It fails for Turkish (iso8859-9) too :( Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] 8.2beta1 nvidia/mandrakeupdate
Sunday, February 03, 2002, 7:45:19 AM, you wrote: CH Heya fellos, CH First most, you must forgive my ignorance. Im in the process of switching my CH slackware boxes over to Mandrake. I am attempting to compile the Nvida driver for 8.2beta1. CH However, I need the CH source to the kernel; or at least a few headers such as autoconf.h. Is there a location on mandrakesoft.com CH to which I can snag this. It would also help with the broken link @build, within CH /lib/modules/2.4.17-10mdk. One other question, the MandrakeUpdate seems to be broken. It keeps crashing on CH me atleast. Is there some place I can get the source to that, just to play with? CH Few hiccups here and there but none-the-less Im quite happy with it so far. CH Best Regards, Nvidia drivers compile fine with 8.2 beta. It warns about that link but it goes ok. All you need is in the cds and the drivers. The kernel source etc. are on the beta cds, but they are not visible in the tree mode. Just open up software manager and switch to listview, and you will be amazed to see the hidden top secret packages, including kernel source. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] some mdk8.2 beta1 hints...
Just an addition, has anyone mentioned that, in order to write in a window, at the install, like defining users, the mouse pointer must be somewhere on the window, else the keyboard is ignored. Maybe it was reported before but I dont remember. Regards Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Bug with Reccommended install
P Warren Doney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you install everything to second HDD it looks like reccommended install puts lilo there too. Not good if you boot off primary HDD - L 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 =] P i just tested: installed in hdc1, recommeded install put lilo on hda, and P everything worked like a charm ;p P so now, tell me more :) I guess after lilo is installed on hdc (or hdd), while there is hda, and you booted lilo where you installed it at. At the times you boot from your disk which you install lilo to, it is handy to add disk=/dev/XXX bios=0x80 to /etc/lilo.conf . This will fix L 01 01 01 . This is not a so common situation, but some people need such a line in lilo.conf (or a few more, like me, a few mapping). Can you add an option to manually add text to lilo.conf globals in expert mode ? Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [Cooker] Bug with Reccommended install
to /etc/lilo.conf . This will fix L 01 01 01 . This is not a so common situation, but some people need such a line in lilo.conf (or a few more, like me, a few mapping). Can you add an option to manually add text to lilo.conf globals in expert mode ? P it should not be needed (but note that this was buggy in 8.1, it's fixed in P 8.2 beta cooker) Yeap this option fixes it. It is good it will be added by default. Thanks. In the second paragraph, I was talking about something different, adding manual text to lilo.conf. Someone might want to edit a message line, or someone (like me) may be mapping a few more disk drives by adding a few more lines like the one we said. It is not high priority, but would be handy :) Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[4]: [Cooker] Bug with Reccommended install
In the second paragraph, I was talking about something different, adding manual text to lilo.conf. Someone might want to edit a message line, or someone (like me) may be mapping a few more disk drives by adding a few more lines like the one we said. It is not high priority, but would be handy :) P ok, this goes to the features wanted, beware there are already a lot :) Ehem, ok :) It may be something like do you want to edit the final lilo.conf file? thanks :) Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] why no 'install everything' option?
Mandrake seems to be only major distro that does not have an install everything option. Honestly, I hate it. To deal with it, first install the system with the tree view package selection system of the installation. Then I open up software manager and try to figure out which packages dont conflict with the others, etc. After spending hours I come to managing my personal install all autoinst.cfg which is almost install all. This is stupid. Selecting all the packages, is stupid too, as they will break each other, but it is not the user to deal with it, it is the setup that must deal with it. Xmms plugins (not talking about untrustable ones), some good games, that I never could understood why not installed and cannot be selected in the tree view. I may sound offending, but I am just trying to see my favorite distro be much better. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] why no 'install everything' option?
t First of all, MAndrake has many more packages than RH. Second, some t packages conflict with each other and cannot be installed side-by side t (Glide libraries and Zope servers, for example). t And please don't tell Mandrake to pick. You know no matter what they t pick, it will be starting a holy war. Last I looked, recommended t install didn't install emacs which is my favorite IDE, and second t favorite desktop... t But during install (individual package selection) there is a little t symbol at the bottom which looks like two blue arrows chasing each other t -- click that -- Presto! A flat list comes up so you can pick your t favorite packages in collating sequence. t Civileme That button causes me hours when someone (including me) wants all the packages, which is very common. (People are new to linux, and many of them want to see it on both desktop and server sides, so they want it all) At least for once, until I come up creating a non-conflicting maximum-#-of-packages package list. This is not the job of the user !! I just want to press a full install button, and be seriously comfortable that I have all the packages (within the limits of logic, I am not saying glide and zope shall be installed at the same time) installed, and they are not conflicting. Suse redhat etc. does it, still dont know why mdk does not, and why nobody from mandrake agrees totally saying it will be fixed or will work on it while many ppl are complaining about it. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [Cooker] why no 'install everything' option?
Xmms plugins (not talking about untrustable ones), some good games, that I never could understood why not installed and cannot be selected in the tree view. P if you have packages that are not installed when selecting all the groups, P tell which one you think are missing. Most packages that people are missing P are just errors in the package list. If you would like, I can send you my auto_inst.cfg, or the rpm list of my box now. I cant guarantee, but I installed on several systems without getting trouble during install/usage with this file. Mandrake seems to be only major distro that does not have an install everything option. P does SuSE has it? Yes. P has for RedHat they *much* less packages, so install everything is much less P dangerous for them. I agree. Redhat has less, and mostly they dont install the packages in the last cds. I dont use it anyway. I Was talking about suse actually. P I did test some install everything installs but things get nasty with over P 3Gigas of installed packages. rpm gets slow as hell (and install time gets P very high), and other bad things happen. That is another issue about mandrake. Have you ever tried suse 7.3pro, selecting full install ? In the same machine,(P4 1.5, 512 MB SD-ram, IBM 45GB ATA-100 7200RPM) talking of only the file copy/install time - MDK , with my full install auto_inst.cfg, took 82 minutes. All 3 cds of mandrake download edition. If I dont use mine, but select all the programs in the tree list, it is about 70 minutes. - Suse 7.3 professional, which is 7 CDs. Last 2 are source etc, but all the 5 cd's are installed. I did a full install, and took 47 minutes. MDK now takes about 4GB disk space, suse taking about 6.2GB. The trick is,I guess, suse installs the first cd, and boots the kernel from hard disk (does not restart the system, just loads the kernel to memory) and continues to install the other cds from the hard drive. There may be other things, could not have time to investigate more. About loading a new kernel (or reloading it with hdd as root) without restarting the pc, http://www.scyld.com/products/beowulf/software/monte.html PS: Did installs on a lot slower machines, and suse still seems to be faster again. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] why no 'install everything' option?
P one weird thing i know about SuSE is they are using some kind of P rpm --nodeps --force --noscripts foreach rpms. P It seems to be the fastest way of installing. But maybe in that case P rpm2cpio | cpio -id would be even faster. P We have not been able to understand the way they handled the various %post P scripts. P If someone has better information, it is welcome :) I am very busy these days, but as soon as I have time, I will try to find out more about it. The thing is, actually, people dont care how their OS is installed. They just only want it to be installed fast. (Honestly if there was a distro that would just copy a few images to my hard drive, stick them together and do the configuration, I would be very glad for the speed.But I know it is useless for many ppl, and it kills the freedom of choice ) As long as the distro is installing faster, and the system does not have errors, it is ok to --nodeps --force --noscripts. But this needs a good investigation and very good/trusty package management. This is something you mdk ppl will decide I guess. The trick is,I guess, suse installs the first cd, and boots the kernel from hard disk (does not restart the system, just loads the kernel to memory) and continues to install the other cds from the hard drive. There may be other things, could not have time to investigate more. P I don't think that's the solution. P The reason i think it is not the solution is the sluggishness of rpm with many P packages. Yes I agree, rpm is really sluggish. But isnt it the package management system defines how much data goes to the rpm database ? Say, there are limitations of minimizing dependencies etc., but, may it be possible to tweak rpms in a way that rpm db is smaller, making it faster? Regards Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] Xine 0.9.8 released
16.01.2002: xine 0.9.8 has been released Changes include an experimental linux framebuffer video out driver, still frame detection, better looking OSD fonts, many bugfixes and updates, two new skins and support for live mpeg streams. PS: For the ones desperately wondering, sinek means fly in Turkish. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [Cooker] latest cooker and broken NVIDIA/KDE
Friday, January 11, 2002, 4:51:38 AM, you wrote: g On Friday 11 January 2002 1:38 am, Chuck Lalli wrote: g I have a similar experience, but I did an install and then the rebuild of the g NVIDIA kernel driver did hang. Thus I can enter gnome, but get a full hang g when entering KDE. I think it has to do with the new kdebase. g regards g guran No it is because of the conflict between the nvidia precompiled driver coming in rpm and your kernel. Are you guys talking about the rpm drivers ? Always use tar.gz or source rpm of the kernel driver. Always... Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] latest cooker and broken NVIDIA/KDE
Friday, January 11, 2002, 2:14:29 PM, you wrote: CL On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 06:16, Onur Kucuk wrote: No it is because of the conflict between the nvidia precompiled driver coming in rpm and your kernel. Are you guys talking about the rpm drivers ? Always use tar.gz or source rpm of the kernel driver. Always... Onur Kucuk CL I am using the tar.gz versions. I boot to init 3, and attempt 'make CL install'. the error I received from the kernel is: CL which: no install in CL (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin) CL /bin/sh: -m: command not found CL make: *** [package-install] Error 127 CL Thanks for your replies. Thats because you are writing it in a wrong directory. Just go to the place where you untarred the tar.gz, which will make a folder named NVIDIA-kernel-2314 or something like that. Get into that folder,and then type make only and you will see it is installed. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] XINE
a Thanks for all your input guys. I installed all the relevent RPM's then a ran usr/bin/xine and the ui came up, then immediately crashed. The ui a looks great (for the 2 seconds I get to see it anyway =), a huge leap a from the old ui. But, I just can't get it to run no matter what. It a would be really great to try out this program as I've heard lots of a great things about it but even when I got older versions to run, some of a the codecs must have been wrong as the video was all screwy (barely a visible). I'll keep playing with it though... I am not using the mdk packages now ( did not have time to change to mdk rpms) but things are not much different. Xine works fine, really, despite it has lots of bugs it is a great software (and those ppl of xine seems to work hard to fix those :) Xine crashes in my box too, exactly the same as yours, when I have a program using my soundcard, such as xmms,(even if it is not playing). This had not happened in versions prior to .9.7. Things may be about oss, alsa stuff. You may try forcing xine to use either as output sound plugin. A bit of configuration may help you solve your problem (check your home for config files, guess the name is .xinerc) and a bit of problem searching will give more info on what is the trouble. Just open a terminal and execute xine from there, it really gives a lot of info, in normal cases and errors. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Merry Christmas
Tuesday, December 25, 2001, 1:43:49 AM, you wrote: JPP On Monday 24 December 2001 18:18, you wrote: To my fellow Cookers who celebrate Christmas, may you and your familes have a Very Merry Christmas! Warmest regards, Vincent Meyer JPP And to my fellow Cookers who don't celebrate Christmas, isn't it nice to JPP still get a day off in December :) always :P Merry X-mas and a happy new year to all Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] objprelink-0.0.1-5mdk
Wednesday, December 19, 2001, 10:46:32 PM, you wrote: VMM On Wednesday 19 December 2001 10:31 am, you wrote: Ainsi parlait Chmouel Boudjnah : [..] * Wed Dec 19 2001 Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.0.1-5mdk - Recompile for latest binutils. What's the use if kde doesn't use it anymore ? VMM How about figuring out why it doesn't work? It's a darn good idea, and if VMM it speeds up KDE, I'm sure it will be popular. VMM V. I (and a few friends) have been using texstars rpms for a long while and did not come to a problem. I only crashed my konqueror once, and it was a very horrible page that I did not blame it. There are ppl out there who use these, and if they are happy with it, why deny it ? Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] MDK versions and 8.2
Hello everyone, Who decides the next release shall be out ? Depending on what ? Also, any ideas of about when 8.2 will be out ? Is there a certain thing that mdk is waiting for, to happen, like the kde 3 coming out? Thanks Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] 2.4.13-11mdk
While all the rpms of the new kernel in the cooker is 2.4.13-11 , why is the kernel-headers still -10 ? Does it mean the headers did not change,use this one? Though at least shouldnt the name of the package change? I checked sunet.se and ciril.fr . If new kernel-headers are in another server I would like to know where :) Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
[Cooker] Radio Program
http://mfcn.ilo.de/gnomeradio/ I believe this program is a lot better than the ones in MDK 8.1 It has station scanning, a better gui, does not default to /dev/radio and you can choose what to use, etc. Guess it would be very nice to add it to MDK 8.2 :) Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [Cooker] Nothing about Linux, but it's too nice!!! [WAS: weird Windows 2000/XP bug]
YG On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Helge Kruse wrote:
Did you read the source code? This program won't never be compiled. How can
it do anything i.e. reboot any o/s, if it was never compiled yet?
YG C'mon
YG #include iostream.h --
YG void main(){
YG while(1)
YG cout\t\t\b\b\b\b\b\b;}
YG It work.
Did not work in w2k. Neither written as classes (iostream) or
structured (stdio). Does the correct printf/cout job. Compiled on dos
tc7. May anyone help me to make this stupid-bug-of MS work, off this list ?
I need more and more stuff to show ppl the inner parts of this OS :)
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Re[2]: [Cooker] Nothing about Linux, but it's too nice!!! [WAS: weird Windows 2000/XP bug]
Friday, November 02, 2001, 5:32:14 PM, you wrote: DD Well.. I tried this on a 2000 machine with cygwin and gcc and changed DD the include line to #include stdio.h, but it didn't do anything DD special... DD Exactly what compiler and what circumstances? I compiled it on turbo-C 7 ( dos ) and it ran normally. Compiled in visual studio and kaboom !! There came the OS_resetting_with_printf. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] proftpd package issues....
CBB Greetings, CBB I've had a spot of trouble installing a recent proftpd source package. I CBB currently have a binary package installed (though I don't see why I couldn't CBB upgrade to a newer source one). Attempts listed below: CBB ~~~ CBB [root@x /root]# rpm --upgrade -vh proftpd-1.2.4-1mdk.src.rpm CBB proftpd CBB ## CBB [root@x /root]# rpm -qa | grep proftpd CBB proftpd-1.2.2-2mdk CBB [root@x /root]# rpm -ivvh proftpd-1.2.4-1mdk.src.rpm CBB -Brian Guess it would be better to ask it in the newbie list, or may be in the expert. As you read the file name you see a src right before the rpm. That means it is not an rpm file , but it is a source rpm file, so that you should compile it. If you have bandwith, find one that is not src. or. run rpm to compile it for you rpm --rebuild proftpd-1.2.4-1mdk.src.rpm You will find the compiled package in /usr/src/RPM if I remember it right. If not, it writes at the end , where it puts the ready rpm file. Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
