Re: [Cooker] XFce4
031004 Marcel Pol wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:17:54 -0400 > Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is anyone planning on building XFce4 for contrib? > It could just replace xfce in main I'd say, > as long as the maintainer accepts those packages. > I'm not yet planning on making them though. XFCE4 has been exhaustively tested before release & sb one of the most solid applications in the Mdk list. it's a whole new version of the best desktop manager around. it sb included in main ASAP: any chance of squeezing it into 9.2 ? XFCE shd become Mdk default, replacing KDE in Mdk 10.0 . -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Please excuse my ignorance.........
031004 Jay DeKing wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2003 7:43 pm, Austin honored me with this communique: >> On 10/02/2003 11:07:44 AM, Steve Larabee wrote: >>> A list of RELIABLE FTP sites in the E half of the USA wb appreciated. >> None. > I live in Florida. All of the cooker mirrors that I use are in Europe. > The ones I have tried in the U.S. are just too slow. > Close != faster. the advice sometimes found on download sites to use a nearby server is wrong. look for their bandwidths, which vary considerably, & esp for their timezones: ie choose one where it's 0200-0600 local time. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] 9.2rc2 : irritating errors
i've just completed a test install of 9.2rc2 on a new box. i didn't try anything fancy or any kind of extended testing. (1) i couldn't get my ADSL connection working till i ignored the advice in /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf : Sympatico users in Canada do need to include "@sympatico.ca" this is the opposite of the truth! when i included it, it didn't work; when i omitted it -- as on my present box with 9.0 -- the connection is ok. (2) if you don't define ADSL as your I/net service during install'n, MCC won't do it for you: it insists on believing you're part of a LAN & there seems to be no way to change this. even then, i had to manually edit pppoe.conf & pap-secrets to get things going. (3) there is a bad spelling in MCC: 'Services and Deamons': it sb 'Daemons'. (4) in KDE, i tried to change the background color of 1 desktop to red (it's the one on which i wd normally run a terminal as root), but it refuses to change the color, tho' the config screen says it has. (well, i use XFCE ordinarily, but it's not among the listed choices in 9.2). (5) despite choosing 'game station' during installation, i had to install kdegames by hand later; also amazingly, vim wasn't installed by dft (and then the menu says 'vi'). i chose all groups except multimedia & servers. (6) generally, the appearance during installation & dft start-up is cheap. the 9.1 installation screens looked better & the 9.2 fonts are crude . why do you persist with KDE ? why not offer XFCE as dft desktop manager ? OTOH congratulations! you have finally got the mouse test to work: it's something i complained about after installing 9.0 . HTH (no i don't run cooker, but i assume you want user feedback) and yes, you can include some ads, if it helps pay the bills. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] bittorrent kicks ass!
030828 Leon Brooks wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:13, Austin wrote: >> I downloaded the rc1 CD at about 700 kB/s, >> uploading at about 50-100 kB/s. The whole thing took under 30 min. >> FTP takes me about 3.5 hours, and I don't get to share anything. Neato. > I'd heard that bandwidth was pretty good in most of Canada. > & real DSL was available 17 miles from a blink-and-ya-missed-it town > out in the boonies near Alaska. Sigh. > Seven hundred kilobytes a second. Sigh. (-: > Currently sucking at 39kB/s, blowing at 3. :-) yes, we know we're the World's best country, but our innate modesty prevents us from saying so (grin). France is 2nd-best ... -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] [OT] correct names for things
030821 J.P. Pasnak wrote: > Philip Webb said: >> 'gratis' is good English for 'free as in beer'. > Wouldn't 'gratis' be 'good Latin'? yes also: GRATIS (both syllables long) is short for GRATIIS (from GRATIA) & is used by Cicero, than whom you can't get gooder ... -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] [OT] correct names for things
030820 J.A. Magallon wrote: > Eskimos have many words just for snow 'Eskimo' is itself an incorrect term today: they call themselves 'Inuit'. cp the obsolete 'Negro' in the USA, now 'black' or 'African American'. > spanish has 'libre' and 'gratis', and english just has 'free'. 'gratis' is good English for 'free as in beer'. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 "MEDIAS" -> MEDIA
030812 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> IMHO, won't be fixed... for another reason: >> In latin, media is a plural. But we don't speak latin anymore. >> This word is imported in several langages. >> Then the word follows usual rules of its new langage. the rule for English is to use Latin plurals or go over to an English plural if the word becomes very common. but you never take a Latin plural & then add another plural to it. > No, we've decided to fix that in the middle of 9.2 process. > We decided to use "medium" and "media". Rpmdrake should be clean > from "medias" now, except menu title (which is fixed in CVS). good! -- ========,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Important remaining bugs (#2517)
030317 magic wrote: > Buchan Milne wrote: >> magic wrote: >>> #2517 appears to still be there (not fixed). >>> root login issue(s). >> If the menus work, I see this as a very minor irritation. The only time >> you should even need to log in as root to KDE sb for critical stuff. >> You should not be using much (ie get it, do what you want, get out). >> Actually, it might be a better tool to convince users >> not to log in as root than mdkkdm ;-). > I would agree with above, but in my case, I don't even get to the menu. > As described in the bug report, kde doesn't even finish initializing. > All I see is the Red background, and the clock (watch) face. > No menus, no task bar, no nothing. > The system doesn't lock-up, as I can move the mouse > and the clock moves around the screen, but that gets old fast. why does anyone want to login as root when using a multi-desktop i/face? surely, anyone would simply have a root console running on 1 desktop with the background set to a suitable shade of red? isn't the whole idea of logging-in as root a throw-back to the days when UNIX systems were all confined to CLI operation? -- ========,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: Religious software
030301 Buchan Milne wrote: > On the list were sword, gnomesword, and bibletime was possible left off > (is also in Club). These packages received a large number of votes in club > (I think Bibletime is the most voted-for package that is free software > that is not in main or contrib). > There have been some discussions on the MandrakeClub as to whether it > would be appropriate to have this software in the distribution. > So, before I go and add these to cooker contrib, what are feelings here? > Sword is a library for handling reference texts > (originally for Christian religious texts I think). > Gnomesword and BibleTime are front-end applications for the library, > allowing users to browse/search/follow references in the text. > there is no religious content in these applications. > The user would need to download "Sword modules", > which include various translations of the Bible, > at least one copy of the Qur'an, commentaries etc. > Would people be offended in finding these packages in contrib? > Would people you know be more interested in using Mandrake > (over Windows/RH/SuSE/Debian) if these packages were included? > Any other rational arguments for or against these packages? no problem here, provided they are neutral between religions, ie it's a scholarly tool which allows users to study texts which may belong to any religion, incl eg the Koran or the Talmud. most would object -- i would strongly -- , if it contained material which promoted one religion over others, but these seem not to do that. > 4)Debian includes these packages. whatever has this got to do with it (smile)? -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Effects of freeze
030219 Charles A Edwards wrote: > The freeze now in effect means that 9.1 will ship with > xfce-3.18.16 > ==-==-==-==-==- > from http://www.xfce.org/ > Current version is 3.8.18 (released Novermber 11th, 2002 > - > The current mdk pkg was rebuilt 8/19/02 but was last updated 4/25/02 ^^^ ^^^ can we please stick to international date format: eg 2002-08-19 ? no-one outside the USA understands their weird ideas of order. XFCE 4.0 is in advanced & quite successful trial: can we perhaps include it in Mandrake 9.1 ? anyone who hasn't tried XFCE should give it a spin: light, elegant ... -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] A new Mandrake Baby!
030218 Vox wrote: >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Stallman) >> I'm sure everyone on this list will be glad to know >> I don't plan to reproduce myself. > And the world rejoiced at this announcement ;) Stallman's rant shows how geniuses can be pompous idiots a lot of the time. i was charmed by the announcement & the witty follow-ups: some water-cooler chit-chat helps keep us focussed & relevant. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] What happened to the program "more"?
030202 Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 15:13, Philip Webb wrote: >> Most improves on Less by (1) color for emphasis, (2) easy key configuration. >> i find it very fast & reliable. however, it's not being updated. > Do you have a URL for it? ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/most/ -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] What happened to the program "more"?
030131 Todd Lyons wrote: > various folx wrote: >> I was wondering, what happened to the program "more"? >> Forget more. somebody should pack up most. that one is *very* good :) >> I thought I liked it and after a week I threw it away. > It doesn't do syntax highlighting. Most improves on Less by (1) color for emphasis, (2) easy key configuration. i find it very fast & reliable. however, it's not being updated. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] [OT] Goodbye, Columbia
030202 various people wrote thoughts re Columbia & its crew: there's a very good article in Washington Post today recounting how many warnings vs cost-cutting & ageing equipment NASA has received within the past 12 months. so far, i haven't seen any mention of the issue of air-braking: there are other potentially safer methods of returning to the atmosphere. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] gnusearch-0.0.8-5mdk
030125 Lenny Cartier wrote: > [Contrib-RPM] > > --=-=-= > Name: gnusearchRelocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 0.0.8 Vendor: MandrakeSoft > Release : 5mdk Build Date: Fri Jan 24 22:42:20 2003 > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com > Group : Networking/WWWSource RPM: (none) > Size: 15835License: GPL > Packager: Lenny Cartier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > URL : http://www.cnhtech.com/~hfa/ ^ "not found" > Summary : Perl-based URL search engine > Description : > GNUSearch is a URL search engine. It stores the URL, title and description > information of each page in a main text database. Later, you can search it > with the search engine. It supports multiple keywords and duplicate URL > detection. > > Buildarchs: noarch > --=-=-= -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] lame-1-6mdk
030116 Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: > Name: lame Relocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 1 Vendor: MandrakeSoft > Release : 6mdk Build Date: Thu Jan 16 17:24:45 2003 > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: hp6.mandrakesoft.com > Group : Books/Computer books Source RPM: (none) > Size: 73101License: OPL > Packager: Gwenole Beauchesne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > URL : http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/index.html > Summary : Linux System Administration Made Easy > Description : > Linux Administration Made Easy (LAME) guide attempts to describe > day-to-day administration and maintenance issues commonly faced by > Linux system administrators. > Part of the Linux Documentation Project (<http://www.tldp.org/>) > Buildarchs: noarch > --=-=-= > * Thu Jan 16 2003 Gwenole Beauchesne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1-6mdk > - Update URL and get what appears to be a "newer" tarball whatever is this doing in today's cooker (or yesterday's 9.0 )? i just checked the latter & it hasn't been updated since 1999 ! it still refers to Red Hat 5.1 , KDE 1.1 etc as the latest versions ! -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake and business.
021214 Warly wrote: > "francesco.melo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> better to have a single big iso in the mirror and burn it in a dvd-+r . >> is it possible? > Yes. It is possible. But is it interesting for Mandrakesoft? > > You can do it by yourself, moreover, it is quite simple. > > The great idea behind our economical model, is that we let for free > what we are doing, although we still need to eat, to pay our rents, > and even sometimes to get some holidays (this is not necessary for a > man to survive, I accept, except maybe regarding gc and snowboard, but > it is another story). And users who use it, or like it, can contribute > back to mandrake buying a box, subscribing to mandrakeclub, helping a > lot on cooker, advocating, pressuring other people to use it, sending > food to developers (warning no more nuts, this makes them become fat > and inefficient), or whatever. > > Theoretically this model is ideal. Everyone can try or product for a > very little price, either downloading it or finding it in magazine, > and contribute what he can afford, or what he thinks that worths. > > Mandrakelinux 9.0 DVD edition is 60 euros on Mandrakestore. > > 60 euros! It is so expensive! I can just download the images > and burn them on a 10 euros blank DVD! > > Yes. > > But what will we earn if I put a DVD image on the mirrors? > > - You will be happy > > - You will pay 10 euros for a blank DVD. Most of it go to mitsui or > Taiyo Yuden, and if you are in France you even pay some taxes that > will go to film or music majors, or even microsoft. Of course we get > nothing from these taxes are our products are free. > > - You have alreay payed 500 euros to sony or yamaha or pioneer for > your burner. > > So the only point for me will be point 1, point 2 and 3 will just made > microsoft, sony, vivendi even more powerful, and make our work even harder. > > I do not care if you are copying tens for divx films and mp3 and > windows games and whatever. After all if Mandrakesoft dies it is just > that we were not strong enough, or not intelligent enough. Because we > did not work as hard as we should, or we were payed to much, or we > were too many... > > Why have you bought a DVD burner for? > > I could not blame you, I did the same with my first CD burner. > > Part of the gnu/linux success is because it is free, and because people > can get and use it for free. In our world we can get nearly everything > with money, and we think that just everything can be compared in terms > of dollars or euros. And in this world, gnu/linux distributions are > just a good bargain. > > But it may exists another world where money is not so important, and > where you pay with time, with helping others, with not thinking selfishly. > > In this world, gnu/linux is not free, it is even more expensive than > whatever you can afford with money, because it need _you_ to think > and act in another way. > > The world will not change if we do not first change ourselves. this is an excellent account of the spirit behind Mandrake! why not tidy it up a bit & post it on the Mandrake WWW site? maybe tell LWN or Linux Today about it? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Gqview: some praise
> Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> gqview (while gtk1.2) ... are ok for images. just an observation. recently, i had a street map of Chicago c 1923 ( 1 sq m : 2 sides) digitised & copied the images (N & S) from CD to my hard disk, 92 MB each ; it shows the street car lines (then the World's largest system), railways, canals, parks, street names, an inset for the Loop etc. i pointed Gqview at the appropriate directory & clicked the 1st filename: it took a few seconds -- & the OS swapped out a lot of other stuff -- , but BOTH images were loaded successfully & i was able to move around easily just by dragging the image with the mouse; i found out both images were there when i switched from north to south & the latter came up instantly. the smooth handling of such large images is really impressive: i have a 466 MHz processor & 384 MB RAM. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] pornview: in contrib or plf?
021201 Buchan Milne wrote: > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 10:56:46AM +, Adam Williamson wrote: >> pornview does look like a lot more useful program than hotbabe was >> To my knowledge there isn't a decent slideshow viewer >> with a modern interface in MDK at all, >> so it'd be nice to get something like this in. >> Maybe the person who first did a package for it could rename it >> and make a patch to change the images? Shouldn't be too much work >> and then it could go in contribs or the main tree. > I think the author should be contacted, > since he's going to have problems with any other distro including it, > it would be much better to get it upstreamed. my CAD 0,02 : as a general image-viewer, this looks as if it wb useful, but the name & the logo are really not acceptable in a major distribution. up here in the great not-so-white north, we're very tolerant: in practice, you can do what you want, provided you don't hurt anyone else; we don't have a DCMA, pot is one of Canada's major export crops etc etc. however, it's not just the gang down in DC searching for enemies to fight, but many potential Linux users in the 3rd World also, whose picture of open-source software cb seriously damaged if distributions start to include violent or sexual names or images. so let's try to get the author to clean up his image(s) & offer his product as something which can be used to catalog holiday scenes, the kiddies, grandma & the dog, while anyone with pictures of other kinds can easily see what else it can do. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] lynx-2.8.5-0.11mdk.dev.8
021117 Stefan van der Eijk wrote: > --=-=-= > Name: lynx Relocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 2.8.5 Vendor: MandrakeSoft > Release : 0.11mdk.dev.8 Build Date: Sun Nov 17 12:21:56 2002 > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com > Group : Networking/WWWSource RPM: (none) > Size: 2061427 License: GPL > Packager: Mandrake Linux Team <http://www.mandrakeexpert.com> > URL : http://lynx.isc.org > Summary : Text based browser for the world wide web > Description : > This a terminal based WWW browser. While it does not make any attempt > at displaying graphics, it has good support for HTML text formatting, > forms, and tables. > > This version includes support for SSL encryption. > > WARNING: In some countries, it is illegal to export this package. In some > countries, it may even be illegal to use it. is this still the case? if so, at least one such country should be named; if not, the last two lines should be dropped. AFAIK this warning is now obsolete for major countries, eg USA & France. there mb an issue re algorithm patents, but that is a different matter or at least the warning should specify the precise reason it's illegal. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] lynx-2.8.5-0.11mdk.dev.8
021117 Stefan van der Eijk wrote: > --=-=-= > Name: lynx Relocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 2.8.5 Vendor: MandrakeSoft > Release : 0.11mdk.dev.8 Build Date: Sun Nov 17 12:21:56 2002 > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: bi.mandrakesoft.com > Group : Networking/WWWSource RPM: (none) > Size: 2061427 License: GPL > Packager: Mandrake Linux Team <http://www.mandrakeexpert.com> > URL : http://lynx.isc.org > Summary : Text based browser for the world wide web > Description : > This a terminal based WWW browser. While it does not make any attempt > at displaying graphics, it has good support for HTML text formatting, > forms, and tables. > > This version includes support for SSL encryption. > > WARNING: In some countries, it is illegal to export this package. In some > countries, it may even be illegal to use it. is this still the case? if so, at least one such country should be named; if not, the last two lines should be dropped. is this being done by Mandrake or by Lynx (ie presumably Tom Dickey)? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Obtained Star Office from Mandrake, whear is the advertized Word Perfect filter?
02 Brent Hasty wrote: > The office network I manage has several useres who were word perfect users, > and have a large resource of *.wpd documents. We researched into staroffice > and what we found is that it advertized being able to import *.wpd files, > ecclent. We then placed our order for mdk 9 for upgrade purposes and because > it had star office bundled with it. > Well I got the staroffice rpms installed and tried opening a wordperfect > document, well nothing :-( > I then checked the documentation, and tried a custom install for the purpose > of selecting the filters I wanted installed. Unfortunatly it seems the > advertized *.wpd filter was not included. just a workaround: can't you copy .wpd -> .doc -> .sxw ? -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] oooqs: important, but defective
if it worked, Oooqs would provide an important front-end to Open Office. however, neither the 0.9.5 in Contrib nor the 1.0 RPM on the Oooqs site will work at all on my Mdk 9.0rc1 update from 8.2 (otherwise satisfactory). i did get it to create an icon in the KDE tray, which i then deleted with the intention of reordering the Kicker contents & have not been able to recreate again, despite reinstalling the RPMs; yes, i did delete the file in .kde/share/config . there is an entry in the KDE menu under Office -> Accessories, but it simply starts a process without any screen display: in fact, several such processes can be running simultaneously, if you try to start Oooqs more than once. no problem using Open Office itself. any suggestions? or do we have to wait till the Oooqs folx get it right? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] nasm-0.98.34-3mdk
021027 Stefan van der Eijk wrote: > URL : http://nasm.2y.net Galeon notice: "nasm.2y.net could not be found. Please check the name and try again." > Summary : The Netwide Assembler, a portable x86 assembler with Intel-like syntax -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Re: rpmdrake
021023 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > "J. Greenlees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> why not a simple check box added to both current searches >> to enable the expanded search? >> minimal alteration to the ui (only shows in the search area) >> and adds the functionality requested. > A check box plus a label just for that > and it's the door open to much more things. that's never a sensible answer to a request: just say 'No' next time, when there's a real justification. > I don't want rpmdrake to reach the same level of complexity > than the previous rpmdrake. understood, but all that is needed is a small feature in Software Install to add a flag 'already installed' to the search result. you say you don't want to worry beginners, but it's exactly beginners who will find the present division difficult: they see a program referred to somewhere & want to know if it's in Mdk 9.0, so they open up Mdk Software Install & do a search for it: if (as now) it simply says 'none', they may not realise it's already installed. > Maybe the time will be reached to use a --expert option on commandline, > but I'll be inflexible on the UI of the default rpmdrake. 'inflexible' was the dying word of the dinosaurs ... (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] psmisc-21.2-1mdk
021022 Thierry Vignaud wrote: > --=-=-= > Name: psmisc Relocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 21.2 Vendor: MandrakeSoft > Release : 1mdk Build Date: Tue Oct 22 15:24:42 2002 > Install date: (not installed) Build Host: ke.mandrakesoft.com > Group : MonitoringSource RPM: (none) > Size: 208177 License: GPL > Packager: Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > URL : http://psmisc.sourceforge.net > Summary : Utilities for managing processes on your system. > Description : > The psmisc package contains utilities for managing processes on your > system: pstree, killall and fuser. The pstree command displays a tree > structure of all of the running processes on your system. The killall > command sends a specified signal (SIGTERM if nothing is specified) to > processes identified by name. The fuser command identifies the PIDs > of processes that are using specified files or filesystems. i happily use pstree for a quick check of processes & it resides in /usr/bin (upgrade 8.2 -> 9.0rc1), but i can't find psmisc via MCC Software Packages Install/Remove: psutils has a number of 'ps-' utilities, but doesn't include pstree . is psmisc new? how did i get a functioning pstree ? -- ====,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] OSNews Review
021019 Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach Brad Chamberlin am 2002-10-17 um 16:23:15 -0400 : >> I wanted to point out to everyone the OSNews review here >> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1954 > She says: > "Clicking in the right option, it would make my mouse jumping like crazy > all over the screen making the installation impossible to continue" > I'm not sure what she's talking about, but is this happening at the step > where you can test if your mouse buttons/wheel works? If so, > for me the jumping always went away after I clicked all the buttons > my mouse (actually a Logitech Cordless TrackMan Wheel) has. the step in installation where you are asked to check your mouse does need some work, as i have pointed out here before. more than once -- with 8.2 & 9.0rc1 -- , i have lost the cursor & been forced to restart the installation. at least it needs a time-out, after which the cursor should be restored to mid-screen for another attempt. generally, this lady is not worth the trouble of a response, but she does have a valid gripe at this point. -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Missing pine
021013 Ron Stodden & Philip Webb discussed: PW> 9.0 includes Joe, which offers 'jpico', a more powerful version of Pico. RS> Not so. Here's an expert, install everything: RS> [ron@small ron]$ joe RS> bash: joe: command not found PW> here's my CD2 for 9.0rc1 : PW> -r--r--r-- 5 root root 146979 Aug 13 16:15 joe-2.9.7-6mdk.i586.rpm PW> unfortunately, when the Mandrake installer installs "everything", PW> it doesn't necessarily install everything (smile). RS> I know joe is post-installable RS> AFAIK the only command line text editor installed is emacs . RS> X is a problem to many people and having only emacs, RS> which is overkill, is simply not good enough. yes, my standard editor is Gvim, but Joe is useful for little tasks: it also allows emulation of the similar Borland Turbo editor; and jpico has a lot more than simple Pico, eg an undo function. Mandrake folx: shouldn't Joe be installed under 'Office' & 'Development'? -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] libqt-devel dependency problem
021015 gabor wrote politely & helpfully: > On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 06:03, Philip Webb wrote: >> i downloaded the Oooqs 1.0 quick-load front-end for Open Office (tar.gz) >> & its configure chokes on several QT .h files (eg qstyle.h ), >> which are to be found in the libqt3-devel RPM. >> when i tried to select that for installation (both in MCC & using urpmi ), >> it warned me that it needed to install Mysql & Postgresql . >> when i then tried to install the RPM from my Mandrake 9.0rc1 CD2 , >> MCC SPI told me that everything was already installed (not so!) >> & urpmi told me it couldn't find Mysql & Postgresql (quite likely). > the easiest way is to do "rpmi -i --nodeps libqt3-devel*" indeed (pink face): i forgot that flag. i did as you suggested, configured, made & installed, but it told me: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: DCOP communication error! when i tried it before installing ( ./oooqs in the subdir), i got: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 40, expecting version 49 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 40, expecting version 49 or higher. kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found QToolBar::QToolBar main window cannot be 0. kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found ERROR: ERROR 3: couldn't create slave : Unknown protocol 'file'. perhaps Oooqs assumes KDE 3.1, whereas i'm still using 3.0.3 . David Walser also commented helpfully: > oooqs is already in contrib, you don't need to build it yourself don't i have to join the Mandrake Club & pay some money for that? >> why do i have to install Mysql & Postgresql > Because mysql and postgresql haven't been packaged correctly, > so to get the -devel stuff for those that qt-devel needs, > it needs the base packages too. is it Mandrake who haven't packaged it correctly or the M & S developers? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] libqt-devel dependency problem
i downloaded the Oooqs 1.0 quick-load front-end for Open Office (tar.gz) & its configure chokes on several QT .h files (eg qstyle.h ), which are to be found in the libqt3-devel RPM. when i tried to select that for installation (both in MCC & using urpmi ), it warned me that it needed to install Mysql & Postgresql . when i then tried to install the RPM from my Mandrake 9.0rc1 CD2 , MCC SPI told me that everything was already installed (not so!) & urpmi told me it couldn't find Mysql & Postgresql (quite likely). why do i have to install Mysql & Postgresql, which i don't need? how can i install libqt3-devel ? is there anywhere i can find just those .h files needed for Oooqs 1.0 ? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Missing pine
021011 Forest C. Adcock wrote: > I was a pico user, and when I upgraded via fresh install, > there was no pine avaliable. 9.0 includes Joe, which offers 'jpico', a more powerful version of Pico. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] RFC: Can we eliminate all forms of modifying /usr for 9.*/10.0?
021007 Brian J. Murrell wrote: > Now that 9.0 is out, and work for 9.1/10.0 will start, > can we please get committment from Mandrake > that _all_ forms of modifying anything in /usr will be eliminated? do you exempt /usr/local ? i hope you do ... -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] RPMDrake
021003 Todd Lyons wrote: > Palmer, Hilary wrote on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:06:09AM -0500 : >> could you make the next version of RPMDrake more like the previous? >> I liked being able to switch between Install/Remove ... > I assume that you are running Mandrake Control Center (drakconf) > and starting it from there? Your request then is for a button or something > to go from install to remove mode more easily > than closing and starting a new program (from drakconf). in MCC, all you have to do is open both programs in separate windows. >> and being able to see what files are included with the package. > Right click on the right hand pane and select "Maximum information". this really is clumsy: it needs a simple button 'full data' vs 'regular'. i hope Mandrake staff take a serious look at the SuSE RPM handler, which has a much better interface, at least from screenshots. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Strange KDE behavior
021001 Robert Fox wrote: > I swear I'm not crazy here. > I have shutdown all Gkrellm instances and start ONLY one. > Then I logout of KDE (with the "save session" checked) and relogin > Gkrellm then starts TWICE. > Maybe I have to delete the .gkrellm config files . . . i've had this problem with the KDE World Clock since at least 8.2 . no, it's not in autostart & i've tried closing it before restarting KDE: it still comes up twice every time. it looks like some obscure KDE bug. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 - /usr on separate partition
020930 Dirk Egert wrote: > When I have /usr on a separate partition > LM 9.0 (update from 8.2) hangs at shutdown/reboot. > If I move usr to / everything works fine. i've done this with 8.2 & 9.0rc1 without any problem. there was another similar query on Cooker or Expert: check the archives for the last month. -- ,, SUPPORT _______//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] dis Enlightenment
using rc1, i tried to start Mandrake Control Centre from Enlightenment: it refused to start either from the menu or from a root console. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] gcc mismatch
020911 Randy wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: >> i just tried to compile fvwm & configure told me it couldn't find (g)cc. >> investigation shows: >> /usr/bin/cc -> gcc >> /usr/bin/gcc -> /etc/alternatives/gcc >> /usr/bin/gcc-3.2 >> /usr/bin/gcc3.2-version >> /etc/alternatives/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-2.96 >> i don't remember changing anything herabouts since installation. >> is this an oversight in putting things together? > On 9B4 it's: > /etc/alternatives/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-3.2 > What are you running? the problem mb that i did an upgrade 8.2 -> 9.0rc1, not a full install, but it's still an omission by the upgrade script: 'gcc' & 'cc' should point to the newer version & 'gcc-2.96' to the older version if installed. the set of symlinks above leads nowhere & users won't be able to compile anything. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] gcc mismatch
020911 Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:30:05 -0400 > "Philip Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i just tried to compile fvwm & configure told me it couldn't find (g)cc > Install gcc-cpp-3.2-1mdk > gcc-cpp is required to compile fvwm well, i simply changed the symlink to point to 'gcc-3.2' & it worked, so your thought, while gratefully accepted, is not quite correct. -- ,,======== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] KDE control centre: login manager
having installed fvwm, i want to add it to the list of session for login. the KDE login manager (superuser version) asks simple-mindedly: "Session types: new type [box]: add new [button]", but nowhere is one told (incl in KDE help) how to define a new session, ie how to associate 'FVWM' in the login list with '/usr/local/bin/fvwm'; simply adding 'fvwm' causes login to default to Icewm. BTW i've forgotten how to tell 'startx' to use a particular WM: any offers? also, the Users part of the KDE login manager doesn't work properly (it didn't in 8.2 either): when i tell it to 'show selected only' with my userid 'purslow' alone in the 'selected' list, it works the first time i login again, but next time it's back to showing 'purslow nobody root' as when installed. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] gcc mismatch
i just tried to compile fvwm & configure told me it couldn't find (g)cc. investigation shows: /usr/bin/cc -> gcc /usr/bin/gcc -> /etc/alternatives/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.2 /usr/bin/gcc3.2-version /etc/alternatives/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-2.96 i don't remember changing anything herabouts since installation. is this an oversight in putting things together? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] un Enlightenment
020911 Vox wrote: > "Philip Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> using my new rc1, i've been trying out alternative window managers (to KDE). >> >> i started to get somewhere with Enlightenment, >> when (while exploring themes) i tried to start the 3rd theme in the list: >> 'CONFIG: missing required data in "100 PROGRESS_TEXT_NUMBER"' > That's a borked up theme...I hate those. >> & the only thing which still worked was to exit Enlightenment. >> on logging-in to Enlightenment again, the same error box came up; >> still no change after a reboot. definitely a bug. > rm -f ~/.enlightenment/user_theme.cfg > That'll get you back to default theme. yes, it works: i'm now using Mutt on an Enlightenment Konsole. really, 9.0 is intended for the masses, not the cognoscenti, so this & the awkward things i mentioned with other WMs need fixing. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] un Enlightenment
using my new rc1, i've been trying out alternative window managers (to KDE). i started to get somewhere with Enlightenment, when (while exploring themes) i tried to start the 3rd theme in the list: 'CONFIG: missing required data in "100 PROGRESS_TEXT_NUMBER"' & the only thing which still worked was to exit Enlightenment. on logging-in to Enlightenment again, the same error box came up; still no change after a reboot. definitely a bug. not bugs, but unwelcome: IceWM's help doc is dated 010304 & "not complete"; BlackBox appears to have no on-line help nor does WindowMaker; XFCE gets top marks in all categories except its choice of backgrounds, which is important as one has to look at them all day long: you can choose 1 picture background for all desktops or 3 plain colors repeated over all of them (i use 10 ). i was hoping there would be a realistic alternative to KDE (which is good), but Mr Duval was right to make it his 1st choice (interview in LT today). -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] 9.0 Beta3, Beta4, RC1, RC2 - No Boot From Boot Floppy
020910 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I don't see how you can release a product incapable >> of creating a rescue floppy either during or post install. > It's not a rescue floppy, it's a boot floppy. To rescue your system, > insert the 1st CD and type in "rescue" before the boot. it is advertised by the installation script as being capable of rescuing a disabled system for those people who can't boot from CD. i actually tried to use it as a rescue diskette after an unsuccessful test of graphics-card drivers & it ground to a halt part-way thro' installing itself. 'mdir' had no problem reading its contents ( 5 typical files), so it is very unlikely that it is a bad diskette, which i haven't encountered for several years anyway. -- irritated exchanges snipped -- i'm new to this list, but experienced at list etiquette elsewhere. the whole point, i hope, is to repay Mandrake staff for their labors & Mandrake Inc for its free ISOs by offering useful feedback on problems. i echo the suggestion that the release process needs to slow down a bit. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] 9.0rc1 : Softdrake has no file-tree
020910 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > "Philip Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> in the old (somewhat defective) Softdrake in Mandrake 8.2 >> there was a single display which could be switched between 'install-ed/able'. > IMHO it was bad design. well, that's not a reply to anything (smile). >> also, even more useful, the description of each package included a file-tree, >> which showed very clearly exactly what was installed(-able) & where. > right click on the description window and select "maximum information". yes, thanx, it works & remains in effect next time you open the program. however, it is a bit obscure: why not make it a button on the screen? -- ,,==== SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] 9.0rc1 : Softdrake has no file-tree
in the old (somewhat defective) Softdrake in Mandrake 8.2 there was a single display which could be switched between 'install-ed/able'. also, even more useful, the description of each package included a file-tree, which showed very clearly exactly what was installed(-able) & where. both of these features have disappeared in the new (9.0) version of Softdrake. is there an explanation? can they be restored to the better old format? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] 9.0rc1 Softdrake bug
i wanted to re-install xscreensaver (it doesn't matter why). i tried to use "Remove software" in the Mandrake Control Centre. when i marked xscreensaver for removal, it told me i had to remove xfce & gnome-control-center as well (i did so). so far, no problem. when i opened "Add software" & marked the 3 packages for installation, it told me "Everything is already installed" (maybe it didn't remove them). i re-opened "Remove software" to check: they've gone! so a problem: "Add software" wrongly told me they were installed. i succeeded in re-installing the 3 packages using 'rpm -i', after which they correctly re-appeared in the "Remove software" listing. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] Nvidia 3.3.6 / 4.2.0 choice on install
020909 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 20:12, Buchan Milne wrote: >> AFAIK, this option (3d acceleration for 3.x) >> only appears in an expert install off the GPL edition, >> so IMHO, the user asked to be treated like an expert. >> "Experimental" should be good enough? > Ah, in that case it's less of an issue - wasn't aware of that, sorry. > Experimental, hmm, well, in a more casual universe > i'd replace it with "Bloody useless" ;) as the subscriber who first raised this, i can only agree with 1st-time AW. there are degrees of expertise, very wide ones: i've been using Mandrake for 2 years ( 6.1 , 8.0 briefly, 8.2 , 9.0rc1 ), but i have no idea what the strengths or weaknesses of 3.3.6 & 4.2.0 are. this is really one of those bits of ancient history which continue to lie around in the installation script: it's time the developers gave the script a quick review & cleaned them up. -- ====,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
Re: [Cooker] RC1 bug: problem5: Entries in fstab deleted during upgrade
020909 Pixel wrote: > Aleksander Adamowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Those entries pertained to a device which was not present >> at the time of upgrade - it's a removable hard drive. >> You can see the original fstab here >> ><http://olo.office.altkom.com.pl/domowa/qa/mandrake/9.0/rc1/home_machine/problems/upgrade_deletes_entries_from_fstab/fstab.mdkgiorig> >> and the upgraded fstab ihere >> ><http://olo.office.altkom.com.pl/domowa/qa/mandrake/9.0/rc1/home_machine/problems/upgrade_deletes_entries_from_fstab/fstab>. >> the installer shouldn't touch fstab entries it doesn't intend to recreate. > agreed. But fixing this is not that easy. > DrakX is now able to remove entries from fstab. > I agree it could keep those that are noauto since they can't go wrong... > will be fixed in 9.1 :-( the installer appears to have respected my fstab , when upgrading 8.2 -> 9.0rc1, esp 'noauto' for my Windows partition. it should keep all noauto's for safety's sake. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
[Cooker] 9.0rc1: installation script defects
[ i sent this 020908, but the list seems to have been down over the weekend. someone has responded to a few of my points, but everyone should see them. they are intended to be a gentle & helpful prod to the installation guys ] i'm new to this list, but not to Linux or Mandrake (or to lists). i've just upgraded 8.2 -> 9.0rc1 reasonably successfully, but there really are things which need polishing in the installation script. (1) the initial choice of installation/upgrade options needs clarifying. it should read something like: "You have 3 options depending on your answer: [ ] 'I am a newcomer to Linux: please install the system with the fewest questions or choices; I understand you will not delete my Windows system (if I have one) without asking me first'; [ ] 'I am experienced using Linux, but have not installed Mandrake before (or not recently): please do a full installation, but allow me to make my own choices at all points as we proceed'; [ ] 'I already have a good recent Mandrake Linux system with settings which I want to keep: please upgrade all packages to the latest versions, but don't change anything in my home directory or system settings without asking me first'. i'm not sure if these are the actual present choices offered, but they are close & surely represent the typical basic types of user. (2) configure the mouse: is this really necessary? after all, you are already using the mouse to manage the installation (?!). anyway, it's unstable & more than once i've lost the mouse-pointer & had to start installing all over again. also, the installer doesn't hilite my 'generic PS2 wheel mouse' without being told, tho' it has no problem starting the installation process. (3) CD check-list: the 3rd CD is wrongly named 'international': there doesn't seem to be anything specially international about it & the ISO is named 'CD3' on the FTP site. (4) package selection: there's no box description for 'Scientific Wk Sta'. (5) ditto: choosing OpenOffice demands the '-de' subpackage, tho' it can be removed again by hand: surely an oversight. (6) ditto: it immediately asked: "Do you want these 4 servers?", when i haven't marked any servers in the list of groups; if you hit 'cancel' urgently, it goes back to the beginning of this step. this bit of the dialog needs to be made more user-friendly. (7) installation of packages: "Time Remaining" is quite meaningless: it offered wild guesses around 1h 50m, while actually taking 46 min (it should say 'min', not just '1:50'). (8) "Summary": this is confusing: why is it included at this point? it offered me a "remote CUPS printer" (during upgrade), when i don't have a network & had a successfully defined local printer. clicking that button produced confusing messages, but then finally did show the correct local printer (now working ok). (9) services: the descriptions should be much more explicit: eg what does 'daytime' do? what is the difference between 'ntp' & 'xntp' (i have xntp working successfully, while ntp seems to have problems)? (10) bootloader: choosing 'text' makes no difference: it's still graphical. (11) boot disk: i made one, but it failed when tested as a rescue disk. (12) X server: it did not test my set-up (NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR generic, Samsung SM 550s, 1024x768, 16M colors), tho' it's working ok now. (13) 3D acceleration: whatever does this refer to? why would 3.3.6 give 3D, but not 4.2.0, and why is it "experimental"? at least, give a more detailed explanation of the choices here. some of these items haven't changed since 8.0 . i rather suspect that all the media praise for improved Linux installations has made the developers too complacent re some of the hoary details. generally, 9.0rc1 is an improvement on 8.2 , but i will report a few infelicities in later messages. and of course, thanx to all the people who do the work. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto
