[Cooker] 9.1 beta 2 test report
Hi all, these are my experiences with ML 9.1 beta 2 (installed alongside with 9.0 sharing the /boot partition), I hope they can be of help. If you think I should add some bugzilla entry, please CC: me in an eventual reply because I'm not subscribed to cooker list at the moment. Test system: Athlon 1.2 GHz 512 MB RAM LG CD-RW Panansonic DVD-RW 1 40 MB HD (Windows partitions) 1 60 MB HD (Linux partitions) ATI Radeon video card Sound Blaster 128 PCI sound card Note: I could not install it on my Acer 521TE laptop because of an old incompatibility of current kernels with the ALI 52xx chipset. ### 9.1 beta 2 INSTALLATION ### Estethically unpleasant: - light brown highlighing on white/blue text (white text, blue background) - button highlighting - mouse pointer becomes an ugly watch when the installer is busy - in some installation windows the lower buttons are cut by the lower edge of the window - anti-aliased texts in the "add images" during package installation look somewhat blurred - change CD window just a little too small to host the whole text, first line of text is cut In the test window, the mouse wheel only works as a button, no sign of it working while moving it (works after installation). The mouse pointer can't get out of the installation windows, I suppose this is intentional at the moment. The first CD is required again, and not recognized, during system configuration (I kept inserting it, and the installer kept ejecting it and asking again for it). At last I had to Cancel use of the first CD. The correct time zone wasn't listed in the summary window (empty button). I had to select it manually. Then the installer went to install my printer: it recognized it all right (HP LaserJet 6L), but crashed immediately afterward (panic: swash_fetch). Installer didn't try to set up the network. After I checked my graphical configuration, when I went back to the summary window it reported the graphical interface as not configured. Clicking again on the button showed the right settings however. It still is impossible to add or modify items to the bootloader menu, the window gets messed if you try to do so and furthermore it is impossible to enter or modify text to specify the root partition. + The installer recognized all my linux partitions on the hdb disk, assigning them the correct mount point (I suppose it read my 9.0 fstab). 9.1 beta 2 TRIAL First time I tried log in, kdm just didn't let me do it: I typed login name and password of my 9.1 user and nothing happened (well, the screen wavered a little). The second time I tried I got directly into KDE, no first time wizard. I hope the default background picture (and the alternative ones) will be improved in number and quality. Much as I hate to say it, M$ Windows XP nature-based backgrounds are very effective: beautiful and relaxing without being distracting. The Icon + Text description in Drakconf windows looks somewhat weird: the white text box aside of the icons is graphically awkward, perhaps the usual Icon + (short) Icon name + Tooltip on an uniform background would make more esthetically appealing. Mousedrake freezes while loading (and the "waiting picture" colors are completely wrong). BTW, the semi-transparent cursor is nice, but not all users might appreciate it, so there should be the possibility to switch back to a "solid" one. Many other config programs just freeze when launched, I suppose the transition to GTK2 is not done yet; printerdrake pops up again in a separate window after I click on done. The 8.2 RPM installer wizard had a nice graphical interface, it went away in 9.0 and is not here either in 9.1beta, could it be reintroduced for 9.1 final? Anyway, the first installation CD is not recognized anymore by urpmi/rpmdrake, just as happened during installation. After experimenting with MCC, it froze: clicking on the icons on the left gave no results. Xine exits immediately after launch on my box: "all available video drivers failed". Works fine under 9.0. XMMS, Volume control and other multimedia apps work fine. All in all, 9.1 looks very promising. Keep up the hard work! Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Made Easy: a modest suggestion for Windowsusers
J. Greenlees wrote: unfortunately, Wim is right in the attitude for a lot of windows users. most that have switched to linux already are the one's that do read manuals / docs / howtos ecetera. a basic simple install should be designed for the moron level to keep the non reading section from filling lists with useless posts. a few apps, configured so only effort is plugging in user name. with options to install more when / if they need it ( as currently exists ) How about simplifying the install process in this way: 1. Move "Choose packages" to Expert mode (yes, *both* groups and single packages). 2. In Recommended mode let the user choose the type of installation: Minimal A Linux system with all basic applications Typical Most common applications, Office programs etc. Full A complete Linux system for SOHO use Note that Windows users are usually very familiar with the Minimal/Typical/Full installation scheme, because many applications (even games) rely on it. After the user has chosen the type of installation, DrakX checks HD space, if there's enough space available installs all applications for that type; if there are space constraints, OTOH, it skips packages according to a "weight" system (all packages with weight 1 are essential, weight 2 important, weight 3 less important, etc.); if space is really not sufficient, it warns the user and suggests to choose another type of installation. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] nautilus + urpmi + gnome-terminal problem
gabor wrote: hi, i'm using gnome-terminal... when i set up nautilus to draw the desktop, then: when i'm in a gnome-terminal, and urpmi something, then after the urpmi program finishes installing the packages, the gnome-terminals become completely unresponsive, they didn't even redraw the processor is at 100%.then after approx 40seconds they become ok. if i set up nautilus not-to-draw the desktop, this doesn't happen. any ideas ? Same problem here, every time the RPM database is modified installing or removing packages. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
[Cooker] 9.0: Problems installing on a laptop
Hi all, 9.0 installation worked just fine on my Acer 521TE. Then I changed the default hard disk with a 20 GB Fujitsu and went for reinstalling it. Much to my surprise, the installation process freezes quite early at the Partition check step: the hd light is on, but nothing happens, and there's no way to interrupt the check and go ahead. The Fujitsu drive is correctly identified, but to no avail. I tried with the alternate kernels (BTW: in the F2 help page the names for the alternate kernels look wrong, they are lt0, lt1 and lt2 instead of alt0, alt1 and alt2), and the partition check is passed, but afterwards as soon as DrakX is loaded the mouse pointer goes crazy and installation becomes problematic. Any ideas? Is there some line to pass at installation time to avoid this? [Sorry if this is 9.0 related, but it struck me as so weird that I felt it might be interesting for Cooker developers, besides there's the ltx stuff] Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Nedit problems on 9.0
Jan Hendrik Mangold wrote: Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: I observed the same problem, you can open two files but starting each program from a console, but when you do it from a previously opened nedit, is not possible edit in the second windows. I have the same problem, but only if I use the File->Open option, not when using File->New and then File->Open. I have the same problem and, besides that, text is corrupt in the status bar and in the file requester windows (making it very difficult to change names of files to be saved). Weird. Definitely. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] drakfont doesn't work
dam's wrote:
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("pablito") writes:
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> > I think someone mentioned this already, but drakfont doesn't work at all in
> > LM 8.0. It was very slowww in Beta 3.
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> > can someone please remind me how to install new truetype fonts without
> > having to go through drakfont?
8.0 drakfont (0.58-11) worked for me, although it was really slow.
> A new version corrects this. Available in cooker or there:
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> http://mandrakesoft.com/~damien/drakfont-0.58-12mdk.i586.rpm
Should also go in the updates, no?
> dam's
Ciao
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mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Problems with Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Daouda LO wrote: > > Roberto Rosselli Del Turco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My package version is mozilla-fonts-2310-6mdk, latest cooker file is > > mozilla-fonts-2310-7mdk, should I upgrade to that one? > > Yes , you can . Done, to no avail. Have you read the message from Arnd Bergmann (Broken Type 1 font rendering)? Don't you think that could be the cause? In fact I have exactly the same problem with every application rendering Type 1 fonts (I believe) to the screen: Abiword, StarOffice, etc. > > In the meanwhile, I managed to have gdm inverting the order of the kdm > > and gdm entries of the last if ... elif section of prefdm. > > The syntax has changed (according to Fred Crozat) . Put DESKTOP=GNOME instead of >GNOME . Will try it. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] [mdk 8]Emacs bug report
"Alessandro Ronchi (Zoddo->)" wrote: > > At 22.02 30/04/01 +0100, you wrote: > >Alessandro Ronchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > When opening a simple text file with emacs on mdk 8, the text seems to > > > be underscored, and that program is not utilizable. > > > >couldn't reproduce the problem. > > Is there any program to take a snapshot? Could you tell me his name? So I > can show you the problem. Maybe my packet list could be useful? > > Alessandro Ronchi zoddo- Under Gnome there's a very handy applet called Screenshooter. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] [OFFTOPIC] Travel to italia
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > > Hi, > > I know it's a bit offtopic but well if someone can help me. I plan to > spend a week vacation to italy and would like to know if you know the > best places in italy to go for young people[1], nightclub etc (nice > girls will be a great plus ;)).. > > websites pointers (even in italia) would be cool also... > > Footnotes: > [1] I don't care about historical visit exploration. As I am the "historical visit" type, I'll pass this one, sorry Chmouel :) Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Problems with Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > If I have only this little info, you understand I can't do much. It's > possible it's a bug, it's possible it's an error from you :-)). Of course you're right. > At boot time it should not try to load kernel22 modules then. Last time I > checked, this worked. That's what happens, actually. How can I get rid of every drakgw modification to start with a clean slate? > > I tested it and now xmms works flawlessly. Pass it to your packagers. > > I am :-). Thanks, I'll add this. Don't mention it :) > Guillaume Cottenceau Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Problems with Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Daouda LO wrote: > > Upgrade your mozilla-fonts packages to 3mdk or add line My package version is mozilla-fonts-2310-6mdk, latest cooker file is mozilla-fonts-2310-7mdk, should I upgrade to that one? > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mozilla-fonts:unscaled, > in section catalogue of the file /etc/X11/fs/config > and restart your font server. > Start netscape , go to Edition -> preferences and choose helvetica (mozilla) as fixed > font . I only have fixed width fonts listed there, is there another config item to set? > > - gdm: I can't have gdm as the login manager, I created a "desktop" file > > containing the string "GNOME" in /etc/sysconfig, like I did under LM > > 7.2, but nothing happens: am I doing something stupid or what? > > reproductible :( . Investigatin'... In the meanwhile, I managed to have gdm inverting the order of the kdm and gdm entries of the last if ... elif section of prefdm. > > - exiting from GNOME, on the other hand, after I click on the panel > > button (or choose the menu item) I always have to wait about 10-15 > > seconds before the session is closed: why?!? Didn't have to wait that > > long under LM 7.2. > > I logged out very fast here I'll ask on the sawish ml. It sure is weird, many things seem slower in sawfish 0.38 than the previous version, I even have to wait 3-4 seconds for the window menu to pop up ... Or else, it could be a GNOME problem, something related to the session management. Who knows :( Thanks for the tips, anyway. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Problems with Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: > > Roberto Rosselli Del Turco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > - ip masquerading: the script I used under 7.2 doesn't work anymore, so > > I used drakgw, which installed the relevant packages. It didn't work, > > anyway, and I disabled it, but I still get warning messages at boot > > about a missing ip_masq_ftp module. (I've been quite lazy investigating > > this one, I'll admit it ;) > > All reports and tests I got about drakgw have been positive. Can you be > more precise? What exactly was not working? As I said, I just tried it quickly and never touched it afterwards. I will try again as soon as I can and post more details if it fails again. > ip_masq_ftp is provided with our latest 2.2 kernel: I haven't it installed, actually. > [...] > > > OK, I'll fill out the bug report, but this really is strange, never had > > a problem with XMMS before. Anyone else having problems with XMMS? > > The core XMMS seems to work fine. This is probably because you have a > buggy plugin enabled, and when xmms starts it refreshes the plugin which > cause everything to segfault. Try mv'ing your ~/.xmms to something else to > investigate more... I had the solution as soon as I visited the XMMS bug site: due to a bug in the italian translation, xmms hangs immediately but *only* for italian users, of course. One of the authors pointed me to the correct .mo file (which will be incorporated in the next release of xmms): http://traktor.nlh.no/~havardk/it.mo I tested it and now xmms works flawlessly. Pass it to your packagers. > Guillaume Cottenceau Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
[Cooker] Problems with Linux-Mandrake 8.0
Hi all, I installed LM 8.0 on two boxes and have had numerous problems. I think Mandrakesoft should acknowledge them and offer an help page to its users (this should be done for every release: there will *always* be problems that pop up just *after* the official release, when you think everything is alright ...). Here we go anyway: System n. 1 (AMD K6 350MHz, Savage3d, 64 Mb RAM) This is my test system, installation went smoothly, but: - once I had a "kernel panic" when shutting down the system; - the support for my graphics card (Savage 3D) is much worse than with X 3.3.6: moving the mouse pointer on the screen causes several glitches (white lines, artifacts); this is not Traktopel's fault, probably, unless you consider problems in compiling X that surfaced as concerns the font system. The other problems I met are the same I describe below. System n. 2 (Celeron 400MHz, Matrox G200, 128 Mb RAM) This is my "work" system, and I confess that I had a slight bad feeling installing LM 8.0 after what I saw on my test system. Installation was fine, again, and I experienced no kernel panics (so far). Instead, I still have to face many small problems: - an empty .mozilla was created in / : weird; - fonts: thanks to some tips I found on MUO, I adjusted fonts in KDE but still have weird fonts in Netscape and elsewhere, in particular a really ugly helvetica font: how can I tell netscape not to use that font? I understand it's a problem related to Type1 rendering, will there be an update to the relevant packages? - supermount: this otherwise nice and useful program sometimes gets horribly confused when mounting/unmounting my CDs, to the point that once the whole system was freezed and all I could do was press the reset button ... This most definitely shouldn't happen. - sawfish: when switching from one workspace to another one, the window bars and frames take about half a second to be redrawn: this is weird, never happened before with all the versions of sawfish I tried (and I tried almost all); while not strictly being (probably) a LM 8.0 problem I'd like to know if other people experienced the same behaviour and have a fix for it. (Another problem with sawfish: left Window key is not recognized, it worked perfectly under 7.2) - gdm: I can't have gdm as the login manager, I created a "desktop" file containing the string "GNOME" in /etc/sysconfig, like I did under LM 7.2, but nothing happens: am I doing something stupid or what? - exiting from GNOME, on the other hand, after I click on the panel button (or choose the menu item) I always have to wait about 10-15 seconds before the session is closed: why?!? Didn't have to wait that long under LM 7.2. - imwheel: didn't work well in LM 7.2, seems even worse in 8.0 as the @Exclude option doesn't work anymore (at least here); the configuration file is the same as for LM 7.2, so it seems it didn't receive a lot of attention ... Anybody else experiencing problems? Any ideas why the @Exclude option doesn't work anymore? - ip masquerading: the script I used under 7.2 doesn't work anymore, so I used drakgw, which installed the relevant packages. It didn't work, anyway, and I disabled it, but I still get warning messages at boot about a missing ip_masq_ftp module. (I've been quite lazy investigating this one, I'll admit it ;) - linuxconf: help windows are open in their full extension, no scroll bars; what's more, the Communication tab of the PPP Interface doesn't save properly new data. Again, not a LM 8.0 problem probably, I had to modify the script by hand to solve it anyway. - missing HOWTOs? I thought so when I opened the index.html that organizes the HOWTOs and mini-HOWTO's (in english), but actually many of the links are wrong: for instance you have two Access-HOWTO hyperlinks, but the second one points to Adv-Bash_Scr-HOWTO.html. To correct ASAP. - xmms segfaults with this message: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkitemfactory.c: line 1003 (gtk_item_factory_create_item): assertion `entry->path[0] == '/'' failed. Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkCheckMenuItem' Segmentation fault You've probably found a bug in XMMS, please visit http://www.xmms.org/bugs and fill out a bug report. OK, I'll fill out the bug report, but this really is strange, never had a problem with XMMS before. Anyone else having problems with XMMS? All in all, I'm a little disappointed: what I want is a rock solid LM, even if I have to wait two more weeks. I take care of the Italian documentation for Mandrakesoft, I've written favorable reviews of previous LM releases and advised friends to try it, and I want to do that again: which is why I hope these little, but very annoying problems will be corrected ASAP (I'd suggest to provide a) the relevant updates b) a web page explain
Re: [Cooker] Nautilus Preview 2
"Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes" wrote: > > Hello > Per chance, have someone got Nautilus Preview 2 running on 7.2? How > about evolution? Evolution works well on 7.2, no problem at all (I'm using the latest Helix Gnome setup). > Many thanks > > Regards > > Eduardo Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] MandrakeUpdate
Sam wrote: [...] > This brought up another issue. RPMdrake is great for installing new > packages but pretty useless for doing updates. The tree listed all of the > update packages downloaded (I didn't need all of them, but I was trying > this out). This would be fine, except I only wanted to install the > updated packages, and I had no way of knowing which ones to check from > the list. I brought up kpackage and used it instead. To be honest, I feel > kpackage is still WAY ahead of rpmdrake. If you're going to include this > package, it seems it should have at least the same functionality as > kpackage, otherwise it's just wasted disk space. Yup, nothing beats kpackage at the moment: it's the only KDE application I use regularly in my GNOME environment. How about a GTK/Gnome port? Would be a better use of resources IMHO. > Sam > Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
[Cooker] DrakConf problems
Hello all, after a clean install of LM 7.2 (no update as long as I can afford it ...), I installed Helix-Gnome. After that, I encountered two problems with DrakConf: 1) Some of the tools launched via DrakConf aren't working anymore (they worked before), this is the error message: Can't locate Gtk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/libDrakX /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/libDrakX/my_gtk.pm line 19. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/libDrakX/my_gtk.pm line 19. Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive_gtk.pm line 11. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive_gtk.pm line 11. Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/libDrakX/interactive.pm line 50. 2) The password for root is clearly shown in the xterm window from which DrakConf is launched (don't know if this happened before). Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic, I'd like to see a better integration with helix-gnome in LM. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
[Cooker] The future of Mandrake (was: Destroyed Data)
Taras Glek wrote: > > 7. Why isn't helix-update shipped with Mandrake? That's an'interesting question: Helix Install and Helix Update are cool ways to perform those operations, how is Mandrake going to perform the same tasks, especially the GNOME/[other software] update? Are you going to include Helix Update in LM 7.2 (or 8.0, or whatever), or are you going to write your own Updater, possibly to be used with other software packages (KDE, for instance)? or are you trying to keep track of GNOME/KDE etc. development simply releasing 3-4 versions of LM Mandrake per year? I think the "release often" policy Mandrake has followed so far should be reconsidered: instead of 3-4 releases desperately trying to uphold the "state of the art" banner (but look what happened with GNOME 1.2, a pity it couldn't go in LM 7.1), introducing incremental improvements and a host of little problems, I'd like to see the following: - 2 releases (say spring and autumn) really *rock* solid, each focusing on improving considerably one aspect of the Linux OS (installation, system maintenance, voice recognition, you name it); - a Mandrake Update program which can take care of the following: security updates single/simple software updates (e.g. gqview, 1 rpm, or Mesa, 3-4 packets) complex software updates (e.g. GNOME: lots of packets, lots of dependancies, etc.) system software updates (careful here!). In this way, we could have new versions of LM still twice a year, perfect for fresh installs or heavy updates, and the chance to update our working system seamlessly during a LM year :) I can hear a "commercial" objection coming: more releases = more PowerPacks sold. This is true, but consider this: your typical buyer (small/medium businesses, but also individuals) *won't* buy all of the PPs all the times; on the contrary, people are used to Winxx updates once every 2-3 years or more. Besides, you could make the update free for non-commercial and at a cost for commercial customers, following Helix model. Just my 0.2 Euro here :^) Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > [...] > > I hope that something has helped here; but since this isn't the support > list, I'll just say "good luck". Well, thanks anyway :) > Mike > Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > > I'm using the logitech trackball with the thumb marble and scroll wheel, > it works just fine. You have to edit your XF86Config file (3.3.6 or 4.0 > - both work just fine) adding the lines to the 'Pointer' section: > > Buttons 3 > ZAxisMapping4 5 > > and make sure to comment out the lines that say: > > emulate3buttons > emulate3timeout > > or anything to that effect. Make sure that 'protocol' is > MouseManPlusPS/2 and 'device' is /dev/mouse (make sure to follow the > syntax of whichever file you happen to be editing). > > Finally, include a copy of imwheelrc in the $user directory of anyone > who cares to use it, and perform chmod a+x /usr/X11R6/bin/imwheel > > Everything should work just fine after that. Excepted for the copy of imwheelrc in my home directory (is it really necessary?), these settings correspond to those resulting from my 7.1 installation, but I wouldn't say it worked fine, as you can see from the list below. At the moment I've given up to imwheel: either it doesn't work properly with my mouse (logitech wheel mouse), or the settings saved at installation time are wrong. > > > > > > > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > > > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > > > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > > > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > > > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > > > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > > > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > > > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > > > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > > > > > Mike & Tracy Holt > Kirkland, WA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
David BAUDENS wrote: > > root écrivit : > > [...] > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > [...] > > Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. Actually, I think imwheel is the culprit: it sure doesn't deliver what promised. So, waiting for a better understanding of how it works, I'd like to disable it: can I safely uninstall it or is it better to comment it out (what's the script in question?)? I must say I am mildly disappointed with this release, mainly because of details like this; even Netscape is behaving funny, when I launch it the window is blank and useless for about 5 minutes, then it comes to life: never seen this before, abrupt termination was the norm :) Mind you: it still is one of the best, if not the best, Linux distribution IMHO. Just needing some refining here and there. > -- > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
Re: [Cooker] Wheel mouse support in 7.1/Cooker
David BAUDENS wrote: > > root écrivit : > > [...] > > > 1. it works with Netscape and other Motif applications (Nedit), but the > > scrolling is worse (i.e. rough, not smooth as before); > > 2. it still works in most GNOME applications, but the scrolling is worse > > (idem, add a really annoying 'circular' scrolling); > > 3. it stopped working, or works partially, in some GTK/GNOME working > > applications (e.g. gentoo, I can't scroll my shortcuts anymore); > > 4. it most definitely stopped working with WINGs windows; > > 5. it most definitely stopped working with aterm; > > 6. it still doesn't work with KDE applications. > > [...] > > Have you launch Imwheel? Wheel work fines in all applications with it. If I'm not wrong, it's launched automatically at startup time. > -- > MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com > PARIS, FRANCE --David Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipartimento di Scienze [EMAIL PROTECTED] del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3)
