[Cooker] Software manager broken
Updated local files through mirror a few hours ago (ftp.kddlabs.co.jp). Created anew a boot disk and installed from scratch. Problems encountered 1. Network Configuration Wizard during install is broken (has been since three days ago). 2. Software Manager on X still won't install anything (uninstall works fine). This has been the case since my first cooker full install (from 6 days ago) 3. that awk error message during bootup and shutdown is back (was fixed in cooker 2 days ago) Another small thing: Shouldn't there be a 3rd choice on Time/Region Setting during install? Most people have their clocks set on local time but there are only 2 choices available (set to GMT and set to NTP). Help text message below says something about a supposed No choice for Windows-shared systems but no select option is presented.
Re: [Cooker] Email Setup
At 09:30 PM 8/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday I sent in an idea about being able to set up Email from DrakConf in the same manner as menudrake sets up applications to all the different desktops. (KDE, Gnome, BlackBox, etc)Also I thought about having email setup a possible option during install similar to how Windows sets everything up. I Sent this in because I work with over 80 computers a day and know that the first thing (Besides Internet) that most people want set up is Email (In a corperate environment). Having a script Like MenuDrake that sets up all types of email programs as long as you install them from rpmdrake would be ideal. I do not see the benefit of automatizing such easy tasks. Usually you have to setup your email account ONE time. It takes up about 10 minutes to set up all the applications by hand, and then it lasts for months. It is not repetitive, nor complicated. Thus, I do not understand your argument about the 80 computers. Please explain. Also, did you read my email about all the different email addresses that one single person have, depending on the context? I think this is a major problem. Grégoire 1. Windows does not set everything up during install. What it does set-up is only for outlook. It certainly does not setup other e-mail clients like Netscape's, Pegasus, etc, and most other people's favourite, Eudora. So for me, that windows feature is pretty much useless. For those 80 computers you were talking about you still have to set them up individualy don't you? For sure you can't have 80 workstations having the same e-mail addresses. 2. What you were asking for, while not impossible, is not very feasible, be it in Linux or Windows. In windows, as mentioned above, not everyone uses Outlook. Same thing with Linux. Of course it would be different if, say, one Linux distro would favour just one e-mail client as its default (say KMail with KDE or Balsa with Gnome). But then again, it would be pretty much useless for other people who would prefer to use other mail clients. cheers
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
At 10:36 PM 8/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: Hello! First, let me say that having to untick all the boxes to get the Holy Minimal Install is inefficient, not to say ridiculous. What should I answer when a person, who want me to install Linux onto his computer, drop his jaws by learning it will takes about 2 GB? I usually try to convince the above person that they will get some applications, but in fact, I do not understand why a standard install takes up so much disk space. Basically, all they want is : - KDE - GIMP - XMMS - Mozilla - a few basic games - a word processor. So, I always select packages by hand, and that takes A LOT OF TIME, and then my beginner ask : Wooow, does Linux really need all that stuff? Then he begins to think that Linux is not an OS for him, that Windows is SO MUCH EASIER, and all the likes... Think about it, please. Grégoire Minimal install? Mandrake the way it is now just wouldn't do. Try Caldera or better yet Slackware and/or Debian distros. Don't condemn Linux just yet since Mandrake certainly does not represent the entire Linux community. I suggest that Mandrake should study how Slackware and Debian group their packages, and Debian for its ooh so smooth installation routine (while you are choosing optional packages it already starts to install the required packages and you could even play games while waiting for install to finish). Red Hat 7.1 is even much better than Mandrake 8.0, in installation experience that is. These past months i've been evaluating all the distros i could lay my hands on for a possible alternative gui desktop environment (I've tried 4 so far. Here are my personal opinions: Best Package Organization: Slackware With Slackware you can choose from the start which kernel to load, bare ide, bare scsi ,etc. Choosing applications is also a breeze (non-gui apps or gui apps), whereas in Mandrake, most of the time you wouldn't even have a clue whether its an X or a console apps. What i can't understand is with a default install of just the Workstation and KDE Environment checked in Mandrake, the install size is over 1GB whereas Caldera, Debian and Slackware are so much smaller (especially the last 2). Best Installation Routine: Caldera Best Desktop: None. they all failed in the font WYSIWIG category. BTW if you are looking for a lean web, ftp, mail, firewall, gateway server machine (no gui though), try E-Smith Linux. My install weighed in only at around 290MB.
Re: [Cooker] [Holy Minimal Install] Why Linux sucks...
At 01:25 PM 8/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: Yeah been there done that - not impressed. Debian's apt-get is a POS in my opinion compared to urpmi, I tried debian and followed the instructions to a T with apt-get to upgrade from stable to testing and got an unusable system, apt-get crashed on me several times, many dependancies were left out. I'd hardly call that smooth. That's probably why they called it testing (woody) . Same thing happened with my LM8 though, crashed after updating from cooker. :-) Besides i only said that the installation part was smooth, not the whole experience of using it throughout. Here's a weird thing though, try unchecking playmidi in the default Mandrake selections and it will tell you that it has to unselect gnome and so many other gnome-related rpms. No one distro is every cut and dry better than any other for size or packaging reasons, slackware or debian you have to spend a week or so getting a system as up to date as mandrake and getting all the packages downloaded and installed and setup that mandrake includes as rpm's. I never mentioned any distro better over-all than any other either. I did mention better in package organization, installation routine, etc. I probably should have mentioned Mandrake being the best when it comes to packages collection. Mandrake on the other hand may be a little weak in the package selection area like you had mentioned but I've always been able to setup mdk with different kernels. Better doesn't necessarily mean smaller, nor does it mean larger, it means more able. And as far as I am concerned mdk is more able to get my systems up and going with up to date/stable packages quickly and easily and yes even minimally. I'm responsible for about 20 servers, I've went from using redhat to mandrake on all of them and have been very pleased. Some of the servers actually run solaris, redhat and debian, but my pick of them all is the 11-12 mdk systems. And for those who boast debian/slackware stability - BS. I've seen friends debian/slack systems go down a heck of a lot more than my mdk systems. Some of which have been up now for over 230 days, and would be longer if not for rewiring power in the building. As i believe was the original poster of this thread's intent, i was just also trying to see the Linux experience from the point of view of a person trying it out for the first time, to see whether it would be OK as replacement for a certain OS for day-to-day use (not for a singular use, say, as a server). From the installation process, configuration, ease-of-use, availability of suitable replacement for apps that i would be normally using with the other OS, etc. cheers,
[Cooker] Several Problems
Downloaded every cooker RPMs through mirror yesterday (August 1). Installation from the hard disk went fine but during boot up and shutdown i get this error message (aroud 50+ lines of them). awk: cmd. line:1: warning: escape sequence `\.' treated as plain `.' I did notice that there is a ddebug.log under the /root diectory and among the text are these warnings: * warning: Modification of a read-only value attempted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/MDK/Common/Globals.pm line 28. Can't locate XML/Grove.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Foomatic/DB.pm line 20. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Foomatic/DB.pm line 20. Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/foomatic-configure line 14. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/foomatic-configure line 14. * warning: foomatic-configure failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/printer.pm line 544. * warning: Not an ARRAY reference at /usr/bin/perl-install/network/netconnect.pm line 178. * warning: mkinitrd failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/bootloader.pm line 74. * warning: Died at /usr/bin/perl-install/any.pm line 220. * warning: Perl v18.878.638 required--this is only v5.6.1, stopped at /usr/bin/perl-install/interactive.pm line 258. But it does boot up fine despite all these warnings. Everything seems to work fine except for the Software Manager: Attempts at installing additional RPMs resulted in failure. Everytime it is invoked it cranks up and goes through the motion as if it is installing and gives the message everything already installed Congratulations .. blah ..blah. A check though would reveal that nothing really was installed. BTW i installed both Gnome and KDE and chose gui log-in. Unlike in LM 8.0 though Gnome is not included anymore as a choice in the gui log-in menu. What do i do to add a Gnome session among the choices? cheers,
