Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
Am Sonntag 26 November 2000 18:44 schrieben Sie: > On Sunday 26 November 2000 13:27, r j wrote: > > It looks like people at MandrakeSoft do not care for our input on the > > problems of KDE 2.0.1 and would rather have us report them to KDE. I > > suppose that Chris *only* wanted/wants to know if the crap would > > actually install. > > No, we do care, but we can not fix all the bugs that are being reported on > this list. All I have repeatedly asked people to do is report the bugs to > the group that CAN fix the problems, I can not. I am not a developer, I > package other peoples code for MandrakeSoft, I do not program. > > Please do not say we do not care, we do. But please accept the fact that I > can not fix the problems reported in this list and it is VERY frustrating > to see all the problems reported here and not to the group that can > actually do something about it. > > This whole thing has gotten so out of hand since I was nice enough to make > updates available that there will not be any more available for 7.2. What > you do not realize is that the updates where made on my own time to get you > all the latest versions of code. There was a reason they where labled > "un-official releases". While I got quite a few thank you messages the > majority of messages and feedbacks that I got will not encourage me to do > this again. > > For anyone who wants more KDE 2 updates please install cooker, it is now > stable enough and it is what I am running. For a real slick cooker please > check out Chmouel's kernel builds as well. They work great here. > > -Chris I tried all the different (three, I guess?) "unofficial" updates. In any case I succeeded. Sometimes a got "a conflict of single files" which I solved by overriting also files. After the updates my system kept working without any problem. I feel the udate is some faster and the outfit is nicer/better. Thanks for the work. W. Kasberg -- +- ! Dr.-Ing. Walter Kasberg ! Lehrstuhl fuer Flugdynamik ! ! RWTH Aachen Templergraben 55D-52056 Aachen ! ! Tel. +49-241-80 6812 Fax +49-241-80 99529 ! ! e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
On Sunday 26 November 2000 19:44, Christopher Molnar wrote: > > No, we do care, but we can not fix all the bugs that are being reported on > this list. All I have repeatedly asked people to do is report the bugs to > the group that CAN fix the problems, I can not. I am not a developer, I > package other peoples code for MandrakeSoft, I do not program. > -Chris Hi Cris, As far as I remember, you wrote in your message something like this: 'Please, report if something is broken, that hasn't been broken before". People misunderstood your message. And sometimes is very difficult to see if "something is broken" because of KDE or because of Mandrake 7.2. Anyway, you (and other Mandrakes!) deserve a great THANKS for your work. As well as KDE team. And KDE2 is not a crap (somebody wrote this crap about KDE2 being crap). Regards, -- Zeljko Vukman "The rate at which a person can mature is directly proportional to the embarrassment he can tolerate." Engelbart
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
Do you bitch about packaging problems to the programmers??? > It looks like people at MandrakeSoft do not care for our input on the > problems of KDE 2.0.1 and would rather have us report them to KDE. I > suppose that Chris *only* wanted/wants to know if the crap would > actually install. -- Thomas M. Beaudry - k8la/ys1ztm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Documentation is the castor oil of programming.
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
On Sunday 26 November 2000 13:27, r j wrote: > It looks like people at MandrakeSoft do not care for our input on the > problems of KDE 2.0.1 and would rather have us report them to KDE. I > suppose that Chris *only* wanted/wants to know if the crap would > actually install. No, we do care, but we can not fix all the bugs that are being reported on this list. All I have repeatedly asked people to do is report the bugs to the group that CAN fix the problems, I can not. I am not a developer, I package other peoples code for MandrakeSoft, I do not program. Please do not say we do not care, we do. But please accept the fact that I can not fix the problems reported in this list and it is VERY frustrating to see all the problems reported here and not to the group that can actually do something about it. This whole thing has gotten so out of hand since I was nice enough to make updates available that there will not be any more available for 7.2. What you do not realize is that the updates where made on my own time to get you all the latest versions of code. There was a reason they where labled "un-official releases". While I got quite a few thank you messages the majority of messages and feedbacks that I got will not encourage me to do this again. For anyone who wants more KDE 2 updates please install cooker, it is now stable enough and it is what I am running. For a real slick cooker please check out Chmouel's kernel builds as well. They work great here. -Chris
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
RS: Yep, that's what rigmarole is but that is not what 'rigamarow' is, which is the reason I took the time to define it. As is obvious from the text, rigmarole is not quite what was intended. This 'rigamarow' is a so-called bastardization of the word rigamarole which is a variation of the word rigmarole. It is quite plainly understood here as it was defined, however, a colloquial expression often needs a definition in order to be properly understood outside of the area in which it is used. If you want to find it in a book , you'll have to read W. Faulkner, among other authors from the Southern section of the United States. It is also defined in a couple of books on Southern(US) phrases and dialects. That does not make it a legitimate word for the rest of the world, of course, but that, again, is the reason it was defined. If you are interested, the reason rigmarole/rigamarole got bastardized into rigamarow, is because of (a) the southern drawl of many of the inhabitants of that part of the US, and (b) because there is also a definition of rigmarole as a " complex and ritualistic procedure " which, apparently, your dictionary is lacking. BTW, the pronuciation is rigah-mah-ro with a long drawl on the 'ro'. Enuf of that. It looks like people at MandrakeSoft do not care for our input on the problems of KDE 2.0.1 and would rather have us report them to KDE. I suppose that Chris *only* wanted/wants to know if the crap would actually install. So be it. Have A Great Day! rj [AR] ++ --- Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > r j wrote: > > > * rigamarow was loosely defined by my mother once as a description > of > > something similar to having to go up the mountain to fetch a pail > so > > that you could draw the water from the well behind the house in > order > > for you to have a drink because you were thirsty. > > The word is rigmarole. As a noun it means a long rambling discourse, > as an adjective it means prolix and incoherent. > > prolix, adj., long and wordy: long-winded: dwelling too much on > particulars. > > -- > Regards, > > Ron. [AU] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
r j wrote: > * rigamarow was loosely defined by my mother once as a description of > something similar to having to go up the mountain to fetch a pail so > that you could draw the water from the well behind the house in order > for you to have a drink because you were thirsty. The word is rigmarole. As a noun it means a long rambling discourse, as an adjective it means prolix and incoherent. prolix, adj., long and wordy: long-winded: dwelling too much on particulars. -- Regards, Ron. [AU]
RE: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
Hey SW: Thanks. AAHH, yes. All true. I had it set up to run correctly before the updates. After the updates, it would not. And, even thru all of that rigamarow, it still does not display the parameters that are in the menu item because what you see is not the xearth program started from the menu that is *still* running(check w/ gtop). What you see is a KDE program to display xearth and a work around that does not 'work around' very good, imo. If you logout out of KDE, you will see a quick flash of the xearth program as it should be(based on the menu parameters). It runs just fine in Gnome - and no rigamarow* either. Have A Great Day! rj * rigamarow was loosely defined by my mother once as a description of something similar to having to go up the mountain to fetch a pail so that you could draw the water from the well behind the house in order for you to have a drink because you were thirsty. --- Steve Wray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got it to work... > In case you didn't try it heres what I did. > > You right click the desktop, > select "Configure Background..." > > First tab is "Background" > "Mode:" set that to "Background Program" > Press the "Setup" button below. > Select "xearth" > Press "Modify" if you want to change from defaults. > Press "Ok" > > *** Its not over yet *** > > Next tab is "Wallpaper" > Set "Mode" to "No Wallpaper" > > *NOW* you can press "Ok" > and you *should* have xearth in the root window! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of r j > > [snip] > > AND, finally, XEARTH DOES NOT RUN ANYMORE! > > Well, that is not exactly true. it runs(there are processes for > each > > attempt) but I can't see the Earth anymore.:-( > > I tried several ways to get it run and show itself but nothing > > worked.:-( > > > > > > My sys is dual 450MHz PIII w/256MB RAM, SCSI & ATA33 drives. > > Running LM7.2 Developer (+kitchen sink) since Nov 1; fresh install > on > > one-half of 20GB drive. > > Only changes have been the updates for CUPS and removal of the > > pilot-files(installed by default). Oh yea, I have Netscape6 running > > too. > > > > I think that I should say that many programs look just fine and > some > > run better. The ones above had some odd things occurring, imo. The > > updates really did help kill some of the bugs - thanx for making > the > > packages. > > > > HTH to kill some more. > > > > > > Have A Great Day! > > > > rj > > > > + > > --- Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > For all of you who have a long weekend, here is something to play > > > with - a > > > QT2 and a KDE update: (Someone PLEASE let me know they where able > to > > > properly > > > install): > > > > > > I have made a KDE and QT2 (2.2.2) update available at the > following > > > locations: > > > > > > http://www.nebsllc.com/KDE_UPDATE > > > ftp://nebsllc.com/pub/KDE_UPDATE > > > http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~molnarc/KDE_UPDATE > > > ftp://us.mandrakesoft.com/pub/kde/KDE_UPDATE > > > https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/~molnarc/KDE_UPDATE > > > > > > These updates are specific for 7.2 and folks use them at their > own > > > risk. The > > > code has been updated from KDE 2.0 and is now very close to the > 2.0.1 > > > release. (note the 0.1mdk in the version #'s). > > > > > > kdevelop is NOT included, it may be later this evening if I get > it to > > > work. > > > Please check back for that. > > > > > > If people are using MandrakeUpdate to install these packages they > > > MUST accept > > > an unsigned package. I am leaving unsigned to make sure everyone > > > knows it is > > > NOT an official distribution. I am in the process of uploading > SRPMS > > > to the > > > directories as well. > > > > > > For those in the U.S. - Have a Happy Thanksgiving and eat LOT's > of > > > turkey! > > > Then on Friday, go shopping and remember Mandrake 7.2 makes a > GREAT > > > stocking > > > stuffer :-) > > > > > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > = Regards, rj I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it. -Morpheus, The Matrix .lll .°¿° . ~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
On Friday 24 November 2000 11:53, r j wrote: > > Quanta runs. Some of the drop down menu icons were missing - blackholes > in their place if the selection is not available. That's sort of odd - > 'greyed out' is the norm. Maybe that's because it is not updated yet. > Same here. > kafka runs but takes FOREVER to open a large html page(>500kb). I > killed it after 2 or 3 minutes cause it would not interrupt the > 'opening file' with close or quit from the menu. I tried it again with > only a 9k file - still would not open it and still would not allow > interrupt. Had to kill it again. The filter is "Web Pages". I suppose > that means it don't work. (NOTE:Quanta opened the same files in ~10 > secs.) > Same here. > > ksnapshot only saves files as png format? > It saves in jpg, but you have to change *.png to *.jpg (there is no drop down menu where you can choose *.jpg format). Type screenshot1.jpg and save. > When changing the skin on Kaiman(KDE Media player), it crashed (SIG11) > when I selected 'OK' after selecting apply It does the same thing if > just 'OK' is selected. Same here. > KDE Control Center 'borders' is no longer available in its assigned > location of Look&Feel/Borders. They are now under Look'n'feel > Desktop > Borders > ditto for the 'font manager'. > It works here and it is on the same place. > > All of my KDE windows have lost their memory. They never open in the > last spot and never remember the last size. > Same here. > > In general, many programs seem to fail to realize that there are many > files worth opening that are in 'hidden' directories and they will not > display them. That's weird. Right click inside the popup window and choose View > Show hiddden files Regards, -- Zeljko Vukman "The rate at which a person can mature is directly proportional to the embarrassment he can tolerate." Engelbart
RE: [Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
I got it to work... In case you didn't try it heres what I did. You right click the desktop, select "Configure Background..." First tab is "Background" "Mode:" set that to "Background Program" Press the "Setup" button below. Select "xearth" Press "Modify" if you want to change from defaults. Press "Ok" *** Its not over yet *** Next tab is "Wallpaper" Set "Mode" to "No Wallpaper" *NOW* you can press "Ok" and you *should* have xearth in the root window! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of r j [snip] > AND, finally, XEARTH DOES NOT RUN ANYMORE! > Well, that is not exactly true. it runs(there are processes for each > attempt) but I can't see the Earth anymore.:-( > I tried several ways to get it run and show itself but nothing > worked.:-( > > > My sys is dual 450MHz PIII w/256MB RAM, SCSI & ATA33 drives. > Running LM7.2 Developer (+kitchen sink) since Nov 1; fresh install on > one-half of 20GB drive. > Only changes have been the updates for CUPS and removal of the > pilot-files(installed by default). Oh yea, I have Netscape6 running > too. > > I think that I should say that many programs look just fine and some > run better. The ones above had some odd things occurring, imo. The > updates really did help kill some of the bugs - thanx for making the > packages. > > HTH to kill some more. > > > Have A Great Day! > > rj > > + > --- Christopher Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For all of you who have a long weekend, here is something to play > > with - a > > QT2 and a KDE update: (Someone PLEASE let me know they where able to > > properly > > install): > > > > I have made a KDE and QT2 (2.2.2) update available at the following > > locations: > > > > http://www.nebsllc.com/KDE_UPDATE > > ftp://nebsllc.com/pub/KDE_UPDATE > > http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~molnarc/KDE_UPDATE > > ftp://us.mandrakesoft.com/pub/kde/KDE_UPDATE > > https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/~molnarc/KDE_UPDATE > > > > These updates are specific for 7.2 and folks use them at their own > > risk. The > > code has been updated from KDE 2.0 and is now very close to the 2.0.1 > > release. (note the 0.1mdk in the version #'s). > > > > kdevelop is NOT included, it may be later this evening if I get it to > > work. > > Please check back for that. > > > > If people are using MandrakeUpdate to install these packages they > > MUST accept > > an unsigned package. I am leaving unsigned to make sure everyone > > knows it is > > NOT an official distribution. I am in the process of uploading SRPMS > > to the > > directories as well. > > > > For those in the U.S. - Have a Happy Thanksgiving and eat LOT's of > > turkey! > > Then on Friday, go shopping and remember Mandrake 7.2 makes a GREAT > > stocking > > stuffer :-) > > > > > > -Chris > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >
[Cooker] KDE2_UPDATE observations [was:Fwd: Re: GNOME, KDE and Mandrakesoft (fwd)]
Hey CM, These are all cursory observations running as root. No program was looked at in depth. If the text looks messed up, it is because I used kjots to make notes and the font is so tiny I couldn't read it very good. I'm a lousy typist and it does not 'wrap'. klyx will not display LaTex docs; shows only a black background in the display window. No error = just black hole space. Also, klyx will not open *.tex docs that are LaTex files. NOTE that lyx will display the same docs ok. While using koffice workspace I opened kword-publish, kword-letter, and kspread. I selected view/close all and it crashed with sig 6 = aborted.. irepeated it - it crashed again. kpresenter & kspread do the same thing if you 'close all views'. kword crashes too that way but claims it is 'invalid memory reference'. Quanta runs. Some of the drop down menu icons were missing - blackholes in their place if the selection is not available. That's sort of odd - 'greyed out' is the norm. Maybe that's because it is not updated yet. kafka runs but takes FOREVER to open a large html page(>500kb). I killed it after 2 or 3 minutes cause it would not interrupt the 'opening file' with close or quit from the menu. I tried it again with only a 9k file - still would not open it and still would not allow interrupt. Had to kill it again. The filter is "Web Pages". I suppose that means it don't work. (NOTE:Quanta opened the same files in ~10 secs.) kfontsel runs. That's the smallest text (avgWdth) I have ever read on a screen(1280x1024); one column from the top to the bottom of the screen. Bluefish won't run anymore as root from the menu. I have to run it from the cli with -s to override the ?security check. The menu system doesn't allow me to update the command. Well, actually it allows it but it is not activated in the menu. Kisdn runs and knew I did not have isdn. Kinda weird that it is on the menu.???smh??? Same for kimon. kppp logview runs but NEVER displays any logs. LynX won't run anymore(not that I would want to use it). Opens and closes with the single line "Badly formed address." SayWhat? I did not give it an address. I dunno if KWinTV is suppose to open and close but it does. How rude!:=) Seems like it should at least say why it's not gonig to run. telnet did the same thing. ksnapshot only saves files as png format? When changing the skin on Kaiman(KDE Media player), it crashed (SIG11) when I selected 'OK' after selecting apply It does the same thing if just 'OK' is selected. Note:applies to any of the non-default skins. K9 looks pretty nice. Too bad I can't use it. The thud 'Help' is pointing to the wrong location. It s/b : /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/thud/thud.html but it is pointing to /usr/share/doc/kde1/HTML/default/thud/thud.html . Or, maybe, the doc is in the wrong place???. kmag has the same problem as thud. Help points to the wrong location or the doc is in the wrong spot. kmag is worthless and should not even be in the menu or the disk. xmag is better but not much. This is a real shame. Some people really need the magnifiers. If I keep reading this tiny text, I will too. I'm not sure I know the point of having K File System Control but if a device has a long path, the " Mounted on: " description gets cut off. If kpackage manager is run in Gnome, it won't load the base information; Reload has no effect. You have to load a previous package, and cancel the installation. It is trying to get %u but it can't get it and craps out with 'I don't know where I am going'. Maybe %u should not be so hard to find. I did not notice this occuring before the updates were installed. Kups Admin won't run anymore. It use to. It did not help get the printer working, but it did run. Now it don't. -Scratch that; it just popped up - 10 minutes after selecting it!?! It does not work, tho. None of the selector(menus, etc) are available and usable. I had to kill it. Kupsdonf doesn't run either. They both try to start but never get the windows open. -Wrong again. It too pooped up and it's usable . But when I change the variables and select "Ok', the button depresses and it just stays that way. I had to kill it. QT-CUPS doesn't do anything anymore; does not even appear that it is trying to start...it's been over an hour - I don't think it will start. *Note that I have upgraded the CUPS to the latest 7.2 Updates versions. Still, they did work before. KDE Control Center 'borders' is no longer available in its assigned location of Look&Feel/Borders. ditto for the 'font manager'. cooledit wants to mail a message to count the number of cooledit users???smh??? octave now just opens a terminal and immediately closes it. It can be run via the cli command octave in an open terminal. kpackage was doing some weird stuff too: It refused to recognize that there were newer packages on your ftp site(the 2 you posted yesterday). I dunno why. Also, all the 'devel' packages are going into the KDE graphical desktop but s/b in Deve
