Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This also could be a great way to build thin clients. > It would be nice to pop in a floppy in a gutted > machine with 32 meg ram and get enough base install > plus X to run a thin client. I was a bit frustrated > when I tried to do a net install and the mandrake > install just told me I could not do it because not > enough ram. grr for FTP/HTTP installs, ram is needed. but for NFS install, 32MB is enough
RE: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
Same here in Taiwan... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Oden Eriksson Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images On Saturdayen den 15 December 2001 02.18, Han wrote: > Hiya, > > Reading a lot of dramatic stories of people on 56k modems downloading > the iso images. After days of downloading they have nothing but a > broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all the good news on > the site. Why not have people with a cd burner selling cheap cd:s to the modem users, and put a list with these persons on the mandrake site?. I can sell home burned Cooker cd:s in Sweden ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Oden Eriksson, Deserve-IT Networks, Jokkmokk, Sweden. | Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 | Current uptime with kernel 2.4.16-9mdksmp: 14 minutes | cpu0 @ 814.28 bm, fan 4560 rpm, temp +32°C | cpu1 @ 815.92 bm, fan 4500 rpm, temp +32.0°C
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
On Sunday 16 December 2001 07:05, Alexander Skwar wrote: >So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-16 um 12:28:45 +0100 : >> Nice, last silly question without looking the documentation. Does it >> run on windows? And is it implementable by any newbie? > >Yes, there is a rsync binary for Windows ... or so I thought. However, >compiling a rsync for Windows should not be a big task for Mandrake. > >"Is it implementable by any newbie?" > >Uhm, I don't think so. Newbies are usually to much afraid of the >command line, so that even if the correct syntax would be written out on >the page, they wouldn't get it. Anyhow, the command line would be: > >$ rsync --verbose --partial --progress rsync://server/path /target/dir > >Explanation: > >--verbose --progress: By default, rsync doesn't print anything at all. >This might cause the newbie to think, that nothing happens. With these >params, rsync prints stuff. >--partial: By default, if a connection goes down before the file is >completely transferred, rsync will delete it. With this option, rsync >will keep partially transferred files. Are all of the windows versions still supporting ".bat" or ".cmd" scripts? If so, someone could write a script that did of the hard work, like prividing the user with a choice of rsync mirrors, and offering to create a target directory, etc. With this method, a newbie would see the minimum amount of the command line. IIRC, in old versions of windows (up to 95 and nt=4) such scripts could be executed by "couble clicking" I have to search my fading memories for this, as all I have done with windows in the last several years is scoff at it. ;^) -- *Chuck*
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
On Saturdayen den 15 December 2001 02.18, Han wrote: > Hiya, > > Reading a lot of dramatic stories of people on 56k modems downloading > the iso images. After days of downloading they have nothing but a > broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all the good news on > the site. Why not have people with a cd burner selling cheap cd:s to the modem users, and put a list with these persons on the mandrake site?. I can sell home burned Cooker cd:s in Sweden ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Oden Eriksson, Deserve-IT Networks, Jokkmokk, Sweden. | Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 | Current uptime with kernel 2.4.16-9mdksmp: 14 minutes | cpu0 @ 814.28 bm, fan 4560 rpm, temp +32°C | cpu1 @ 815.92 bm, fan 4500 rpm, temp +32.0°C
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
On Âñê, 2001-12-16 at 15:05, Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-16 um 12:28:45 +0100 : > > Nice, last silly question without looking the documentation. Does it > > run on windows? And is it implementable by any newbie? > > Yes, there is a rsync binary for Windows ... or so I thought. However, > compiling a rsync for Windows should not be a big task for Mandrake. > rsync is part of current Cygwin distribution that is POSIX emulation layer atop of Win32 subsystem. www.cygwin.com -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-16 um 12:28:45 +0100 : > Nice, last silly question without looking the documentation. Does it > run on windows? And is it implementable by any newbie? Yes, there is a rsync binary for Windows ... or so I thought. However, compiling a rsync for Windows should not be a big task for Mandrake. "Is it implementable by any newbie?" Uhm, I don't think so. Newbies are usually to much afraid of the command line, so that even if the correct syntax would be written out on the page, they wouldn't get it. Anyhow, the command line would be: $ rsync --verbose --partial --progress rsync://server/path /target/dir Explanation: --verbose --progress: By default, rsync doesn't print anything at all. This might cause the newbie to think, that nothing happens. With these params, rsync prints stuff. --partial: By default, if a connection goes down before the file is completely transferred, rsync will delete it. With this option, rsync will keep partially transferred files. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 23 hours 15 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-15 um 17:08:42 +0100 : >> But can you correct the error with rsync if there is an md5 error? > Sure, just re-rsync the image. That's what's so great about rsync! > If there's a 1 byte error somewhere, rsync should detect it and > correct it. Nice, last silly question without looking the documentation. Does it run on windows? And is it implementable by any newbie? Cya, Han.
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-15 um 17:08:42 +0100 : > But can you correct the error with rsync if there is an md5 error? Sure, just re-rsync the image. That's what's so great about rsync! If there's a 1 byte error somewhere, rsync should detect it and correct it. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 22 hours 32 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-15 um 02:18:51 +0100 : >> the iso images. After days of downloading they have nothing but a >> broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all the good news on > Hmm, using rsync, there cannot be broken images, I thought. So, if > people download an image using rsync and check the MD5 they can be sure > that the image is correct. But can you correct the error with rsync if there is an md5 error? >> 1) lets make a mini-install-image that installs nothing else but base. >> After the install you can install any other package with urpmi. Done >> this with a friend and ... I liked it that way. > Yes, good idea! However, don't we already kinda have this with the > network install images? Hmmm yes good point. Cya, Han.
RE: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
Is that something most people will use? If it's not obvious how to start then I wonder if they ever will? >Yes, good idea! However, don't we already kinda have this with the >network install images?
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
So sprach »Han« am 2001-12-15 um 02:18:51 +0100 : > the iso images. After days of downloading they have nothing but a > broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all the good news on Hmm, using rsync, there cannot be broken images, I thought. So, if people download an image using rsync and check the MD5 they can be sure that the image is correct. > 1) lets make a mini-install-image that installs nothing else but base. > > After the install you can install any other package with urpmi. Done > this with a friend and ... I liked it that way. Yes, good idea! However, don't we already kinda have this with the network install images? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 7 days 20 hours 8 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
On Saturday 15 December 2001 12:13 am, you wrote: > This also could be a great way to build thin clients. > It would be nice to pop in a floppy in a gutted > machine with 32 meg ram and get enough base install > plus X to run a thin client. Interesting that a 32M machine is now considered "gutted". 8) You can get a thin client to run in 8M or less (I've done it in 4M using SmallLinux and tinyX). Hoyt
RE: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
I really like the idea of having the choice to install "thin" software! It's great to have the whole massive thing, but it's elegant to have the choice to go for a slice of it without needing to know how to do the slicing yourself. That's what we want I think, for more people to be able to use this good stuff. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SI Reasoning Sent: December 15, 2001 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images This also could be a great way to build thin clients. It would be nice to pop in a floppy in a gutted machine with 32 meg ram and get enough base install plus X to run a thin client. I was a bit frustrated when I tried to do a net install and the mandrake install just told me I could not do it because not enough ram. grr on ebay you can pick up some great laptop thin clients with 14" monitors for around $2-300. --- Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiya, > > Reading a lot of dramatic stories of people on 56k > modems downloading > the iso images. After days of downloading they have > nothing but a > broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all > the good news on > the site. > > Now my proposal. It is 2-fold. > > 1) lets make a mini-install-image that installs > nothing else but base. > > After the install you can install any other package > with urpmi. Done > this with a friend and ... I liked it that way. > > 2) Lets use the usenet cd-image distribution way ( > on ftp of course ) > > * Split the image in multiple rar archives. > * Add a few parity archives with them. > http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/parchive-1.1-1mdk.src.rpm > > This is a very tested way to move tons of data over > unreliable lines. > > > Cya, Han. > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
This also could be a great way to build thin clients. It would be nice to pop in a floppy in a gutted machine with 32 meg ram and get enough base install plus X to run a thin client. I was a bit frustrated when I tried to do a net install and the mandrake install just told me I could not do it because not enough ram. grr on ebay you can pick up some great laptop thin clients with 14" monitors for around $2-300. --- Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiya, > > Reading a lot of dramatic stories of people on 56k > modems downloading > the iso images. After days of downloading they have > nothing but a > broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all > the good news on > the site. > > Now my proposal. It is 2-fold. > > 1) lets make a mini-install-image that installs > nothing else but base. > > After the install you can install any other package > with urpmi. Done > this with a friend and ... I liked it that way. > > 2) Lets use the usenet cd-image distribution way ( > on ftp of course ) > > * Split the image in multiple rar archives. > * Add a few parity archives with them. > http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/parchive-1.1-1mdk.src.rpm > > This is a very tested way to move tons of data over > unreliable lines. > > > Cya, Han. > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
[Cooker] Proposal for distribution of images
Hiya, Reading a lot of dramatic stories of people on 56k modems downloading the iso images. After days of downloading they have nothing but a broken image. And they were so enthousiatic by all the good news on the site. Now my proposal. It is 2-fold. 1) lets make a mini-install-image that installs nothing else but base. After the install you can install any other package with urpmi. Done this with a friend and ... I liked it that way. 2) Lets use the usenet cd-image distribution way ( on ftp of course ) * Split the image in multiple rar archives. * Add a few parity archives with them. http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/parchive-1.1-1mdk.src.rpm This is a very tested way to move tons of data over unreliable lines. Cya, Han.
