Re: [Cooker] Re: 4GB physical ram: need swap space?

2001-03-24 Thread Arnd Bergmann

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Ray wrote:

> So if I do have over 1GB Ram does Mandrake have himem kernel or do I need to 
> compile?
A brief look at the kernel src.rpm tells me that it does not have >1GB
support, but I am not sure that I was looking at the one that you would 
install.

> I am getting two 2Gb servers next week and want to use Mandrake 8.0
If you are getting servers of that size, you definitely should compile
your own kernel, even if there is no problem with the memory size.
I can think of a number of optimizations that I tend to apply to the
kernels I install.

Arnd <><





Re: [Cooker] Re: 4GB physical ram: need swap space?

2001-03-24 Thread Ray

So if I do have over 1GB Ram does Mandrake have himem kernel or do I need to 
compile?
I am getting two 2Gb servers next week and want to use Mandrake 8.0


Ray




[Cooker] Re: 4GB physical ram: need swap space?

2001-03-24 Thread James, Rick

On Saturday 24 March 2001 Peter Ruskin wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 March 2001 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >
> > Since 2.4, the situation has changed a bit. You now can have
> > either _no_ swap or swap > 2* phyisical memory, which would be 8GB.
> > Running the system with anything between that (0 < swapspace < 8GB
> > for you) is considered very bad now and the recommendation remains
> > to enable swap.

> Could you explain this further, please?  I have 384MB RAM and a swap
> file about the same size.  I have sufficient disk space to double
> the swap file size, but as it is there is never more than 1MB used.

A couple of people have asked this.  AFAIK, there have been reports
that (0 < swapspace < 2*physical ram) is suspected to cause problems
on systems that use a 'himem enabled' kernel.  Since you have less
than 896M of physical memory, you probably aren't using 'highmem
enabled' kernel and don't need to worry about this.  Set the swap
partition to the size works best for you.

Regards,
Rick





[Cooker] Re: 4GB physical ram: need swap space?

2001-03-24 Thread James, Rick

On 24-Mar-01 Arnd Bergman wrote:

> I also suspect you have misunderstood what PAE is about. It is
> independent of the amount of virtual (here: physical + swap) memory,
> but otoh, you already have to enable it to even access the full 4 GB
> of physical memory.
> As far as I remember, without PAE, you can only use half the virtal
> address space (2GB) for physical memory, but that border should
> be configurable within some limits (1GB - 3GB).

If I am misunderstanding PAE, its because of the kernel documentation:

[...snip]

High Memory support
CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM
  Linux can use up to 64 Gigabytes of physical memory on x86 systems.
  However, the address space of 32-bit x86 processors is only 4
  Gigabytes large. That means that, if you have a large amount of
  physical memory, not all of it can be "permanently mapped" by the
  kernel. The physical memory that's not permanently mapped is called
  "high memory".

  If you are compiling a kernel which will never run on a machine with
  more than 1 Gigabyte total physical RAM, answer "off" here (default
  choice and suitable for most users). This will result in a "3GB/1GB"
  split: 3GB are mapped so that each process sees a 3GB virtual memory
  space and the remaining part of the 4GB virtual memory space is used
  by the kernel to permanently map as much physical memory as
  possible.

  If the machine has between 1 and 4 Gigabytes physical RAM, then
  answer "4GB" here.

  If more than 4 Gigabytes is used then answer "64GB" here. This
  selection turns Intel PAE (Physical Address Extension) mode on.
  PAE implements 3-level paging on IA32 processors. PAE is fully
  supported by Linux, PAE mode is implemented on all recent Intel
  processors (Pentium Pro and better). 

[snip ...]

The last paragraph says PAE is to be turned on for memory > 4GB.
What I really don't understand is how a swap space could possibly be
addressed on a 4GB physical ram system without PAE.
  Perhaps my error is in thinking that a non-PAE kernel can use the
entire 4GB for a single process.  I'm pretty sure that PAE limits
per-process memory to 3GB and the remaining 1GB of 32-bit space
is reserved as paging area to access the 36-bit PAE addresses.  If
the non-PAE kernel has a similar per-process limitation, that would
good information to know before buying a 4GB system.
  I apologize if this is the wrong arena for this question.  Info
on this topic hard to find so I thought there may some knowledgeable
folks here.

Thanks,
Rick

PS: The 8.0 cooker is looking very good.  I'm done with 7.2 now.





[Cooker] Re: 4GB physical ram: need swap space?

2001-03-24 Thread James, Rick

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Michael Brown wrote:

> On the basis that you can run a system with the swap disabled
> (swapoff -a), I would assume that you don't have to have a swap
> partition.

Thanks for the (swapoff -a) tip.

> BTW, how are you fitting 4GB RAM into a system?  What motherboards
> / DIMMs > are you using?

Actually, the system is a Dell offering with dual Pentium 4's and
RDRAM that will be available in May.  It will be used for some
scientific number crunching apps.

Thanks again,
Rick