Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no BusId parameter in my XF86Config-4, yet I have seen it appear in other's. Could your installer have neglected to add this seems-necessary line when building XF86Config-4? Yes Francois is using BusId only for xinerama stuff, normally XFree should detect BusId just fine. Thanks for doing that research. But in my case it did not, as indicated by the WW and EE messages in my XFree.0.log. I would try adding it but I do not know what section permits a BusId parameter. -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 22:45, Ron Stodden wrote: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no BusId parameter in my XF86Config-4, yet I have seen it appear in other's. Could your installer have neglected to add this seems-necessary line when building XF86Config-4? Yes Francois is using BusId only for xinerama stuff, normally XFree should detect BusId just fine. Thanks for doing that research. But in my case it did not, as indicated by the WW and EE messages in my XFree.0.log. I would try adding it but I do not know what section permits a BusId parameter. -- Here is an excerpt from mine as an example. Hoyt Section Device Identifier Matrox Millennium G450 1 VendorName BoardName Driver mga # Clock lines # Uncomment following option if you see a big white block # instead of the cursor! #Option sw_cursor Option AGPMode 2 Option Backingstore on Option DPMS on Screen 0 BusID PCI:1:5:0 EndSection
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Can you change XFree config file to obtain a working situation? If you can, please provide the diff between the auto configuration and this working configuration and send it to us. I have tested using a number of XF86Config-4 files. The problem is not there. Using XFdrake, I changed to a non-accellerated 4.2.0 X. Same problem. Using XFdrake, I changed to a 3.3.6 X. Came up perfectly! Ran xf86config which seemed to output a new XF86Config (not -4). So now I have a usable 8.2 on this machine, with X running in a limp-along mode. This does seem to point the finger at X 4.2.0 as being a regression for this particular video card, although it runs OK with Mandrake 8.0. Still no response from the X developers at MIT. -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Can you change XFree config file to obtain a working situation? If you can, please provide the diff between the auto configuration and this working configuration and send it to us. The log contains the following lines: (!!) More than one primary device found (--) PCI: (0:10:0) BrookTree unknown chipset (0x036e) rev 2, Mem 0xd7421000/12 (--) PCI: (0:11:0) Creative Labs unknown chipset (0x0002) rev 8, I/O 0xc000/5 (--) PCI: (1:0:0) 3dfx Interactive Voodoo3 rev 1, Mem 0xd000/25, 0xd400/25, I/O 0x9000/8 ... (II) TDFX: Driver for 3dfx Banshee/Voodoo3 chipsets: 3dfx Banshee, 3dfx Voodoo3, 3dfx Voodoo5 (II) Primary Device is: (WW) TDFX: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found There is no BusId parameter in my XF86Config-4, yet I have seen it appear in other's. Could your installer have neglected to add this seems-necessary line when building XF86Config-4? -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden wrote: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Can you change XFree config file to obtain a working situation? If you can, please provide the diff between the auto configuration and this working configuration and send it to us. Good idea. I had already tried it - unsuccessfully. Now I also have Peter Allen's XF86Config-4. He has a Voodoo 3 3000, like me, but, unlike mine, it is operational. The only differences are that mine supports 15 bit colour and 1152x864. Taking these out makes no difference - startx fails the same way. If you have someone who can have a look at this, I am happy to send that person my XF86Config-4 and the full log from startx. I have sent a report to the XF86 organisation, which has been acknowledged, but no problem response yet. -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden wrote: John Allen wrote: If what you are referring to is the telnet problem, than all you have to do is install an old 8.0 telnet/telnetd. No, not telnet. Have to, as the Sun, HP, and AIX boxes don't have ssh on them. PS. I also have a perfectly working Voodoo3 2000. Send me directly a copy of yout /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 please?
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
John Allen wrote: If what you are referring to is the telnet problem, than all you have to do is install an old 8.0 telnet/telnetd. No, not telnet. PS. I also have a perfectly working Voodoo3 2000. Send me directly a copy of yout /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 please? -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden wrote: But you are presently in another 10+ RPM update to the (frozen) cooker which possibly may fix the problem. After that I'll fiddle some more with XF86Config-4. There are certainly many more things in mine than in yours, eg V4l and Brooktree television and radio stuff, which, BTW has never worked. Not 10+ but 1000+ new cooker RPM files in the last 24 hours. Only when this drops to zero sustained over, say, a week (the signal that alpha testing has been completed) can beta testing commnce. Them's the well-defined industry standard QA rules! -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I appreciate the difficulty, but it is serious because this is one machine on a local network, and since networking is incompatible between different Mandrake releases (!!! yes, it is!!!) that means that not only Really? You'll have to prove it :-). just that one machine, but the whole network cannot be upgraded to 8.2. I am eager to supply any further information that anyone might suggest and which might help to isolate the problem. I expect I will find myself having to shell out for another video card. Swapping video cards between machines unfortunately is not a trivial operation (Mandrake or X have no way that I know of to do it). Can you change XFree config file to obtain a working situation? If you can, please provide the diff between the auto configuration and this working configuration and send it to us. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Can you change XFree config file to obtain a working situation? If you can, please provide the diff between the auto configuration and this working configuration and send it to us. Good idea. I had already tried it - unsuccessfully. But you are presently in another 10+ RPM update to the (frozen) cooker which possibly may fix the problem. After that I'll fiddle some more with XF86Config-4. There are certainly many more things in mine than in yours, eg V4l and Brooktree television and radio stuff, which, BTW has never worked. -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden wrote: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in your (and Mandrake's) opinion. What's strange is that my machine, Fred Lepied's test machine, one crashtester of Civileme (Francisco Alcaraz)'s machine, and Danny's, all have working Voodoo3. I don't know what is there as a special thing with your machine which would help us understand what's going on and possibly fix the problem.. Thanks for the response. Are all those on X 4.2? I appreciate the difficulty, but it is serious because this is one machine on a local network, and since networking is incompatible between different Mandrake releases (!!! yes, it is!!!) that means that not only just that one machine, but the whole network cannot be upgraded to 8.2. I have 8.1, 8.2B4, and an old 6.0. all on the same LAN, with Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX, all happily talkiing to each other. If what you are referring to is the telnet problem, than all you have to do is install an old 8.0 telnet/telnetd. I am eager to supply any further information that anyone might suggest and which might help to isolate the problem. I expect I will find myself having to shell out for another video card. Swapping video cards between machines unfortunately is not a trivial operation (Mandrake or X have no way that I know of to do it). PS. I also have a perfectly working Voodoo3 2000.
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Op za 09-03-2002, om 04:35 schreef Ron Stodden: Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in your (and Mandrake's) opinion. What's strange is that my machine, Fred Lepied's test machine, one crashtester of Civileme (Francisco Alcaraz)'s machine, and Danny's, all have working Voodoo3. I don't know what is there as a special thing with your machine which would help us understand what's going on and possibly fix the problem.. Thanks for the response. Are all those on X 4.2? I appreciate the difficulty, but it is serious because this is one machine on a local network, and since networking is incompatible between different Mandrake releases (!!! yes, it is!!!) that means that not only just that one machine, but the whole network cannot be upgraded to 8.2. I am eager to supply any further information that anyone might suggest and which might help to isolate the problem. I expect I will find myself having to shell out for another video card. Swapping video cards between machines unfortunately is not a trivial operation (Mandrake or X have no way that I know of to do it). -- Ron. [au] cp XF86Config-4 from 8.1 and see if it works than. If that doesn work cp the driver fo voodoo from 8.1 /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/ and see if that works. Also a diff between 8.1 xf86Config-4 and 8.2's would be helpfull
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
On Thursday 07 March 2002 23:42, you wrote: The best I can possibly do is to invest in another popular video card sigh, especially because 3dfx Company (Voodoo manufacturer) is now out of business. I have two clients with old Trident cards - Mandrake will not install on either. It used to. The developers of X (MIT) should be doing a much better job. What has been working should remain working across new releases. This I agree with. One of the reasons for using linux is so that hardware does not need to be obsoleted but this is the price we pay for using mandrake. No matter how we look at it mandrake is more or less a drop in replacement for windows nt/2000/xp server. At least 2000/and xp which offer simmilar features are really horible about supporting older hardware. As far as this goes mandrake has much better hardware support. With but a few acceptions. Yes those xfree guys should do a better job. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Could you please post some extra info? Like your XF86Config-4 and lspcidrake -v? Danny On Thursday 07 March 2002 14:36, you wrote: See parent messages. Still no X for Voodoo 3 3000 video card. This was first reported to you by me on Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:09:58 +1100, no response of any kind received. Tried again with the latest: Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20020307 3:18 Redoing the expert install, update packages, no X tryout offered during install. Still fails to run X at runtime. Logging in as root and doing startx produces the following messages: (WW) TDFX: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found. (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: No screens found . . . XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0:0 after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8iQdraeiN+EU2vEIRAk9SAJ9JRcOSxCZzBnPSP+up1fRVTXKgNwCgnbIM 07ZZ0oS9wKsKM8Nwv/4EnQo= =z0T9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in your (and Mandrake's) opinion. What's strange is that my machine, Fred Lepied's test machine, one crashtester of Civileme (Francisco Alcaraz)'s machine, and Danny's, all have working Voodoo3. I don't know what is there as a special thing with your machine which would help us understand what's going on and possibly fix the problem.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested in your (and Mandrake's) opinion. What's strange is that my machine, Fred Lepied's test machine, one crashtester of Civileme (Francisco Alcaraz)'s machine, and Danny's, all have working Voodoo3. I don't know what is there as a special thing with your machine which would help us understand what's going on and possibly fix the problem.. Thanks for the response. Are all those on X 4.2? I appreciate the difficulty, but it is serious because this is one machine on a local network, and since networking is incompatible between different Mandrake releases (!!! yes, it is!!!) that means that not only just that one machine, but the whole network cannot be upgraded to 8.2. I am eager to supply any further information that anyone might suggest and which might help to isolate the problem. I expect I will find myself having to shell out for another video card. Swapping video cards between machines unfortunately is not a trivial operation (Mandrake or X have no way that I know of to do it). -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
See parent messages. Still no X for Voodoo 3 3000 video card. This was first reported to you by me on Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:09:58 +1100, no response of any kind received. Tried again with the latest: Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20020307 3:18 Redoing the expert install, update packages, no X tryout offered during install. Still fails to run X at runtime. Logging in as root and doing startx produces the following messages: (WW) TDFX: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found. (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: No screens found . . . XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0:0 after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
On Thursday 07 March 2002 05:36, you wrote: See parent messages. Still no X for Voodoo 3 3000 video card. This was first reported to you by me on Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:09:58 +1100, no response of any kind received. Tried again with the latest: Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20020307 3:18 Redoing the expert install, update packages, no X tryout offered during install. Still fails to run X at runtime. I am using a voodoo3 3000 just fine try checking the ram on your video card if you have a checker for it. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Brook Humphrey wrote: I am using a voodoo3 3000 just fine try checking the ram on your video card if you have a checker for it. Whence comes such a beast? This card works just fine on Mandrake 8.0, haven't tried 8.1, and Windows 98 SE, so the problem is unlikely to be my hardware. I look to Mandrakesoft to solve the problem with X - it looks like the installer is not building a good config file for Voodoo 3 3000. This is odd because the demo of X offered during install all works fine. This has to be an installer oversight? -- Ron. [au]
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
On Thursday 07 March 2002 15:32, you wrote: Brook Humphrey wrote: I am using a voodoo3 3000 just fine try checking the ram on your video card if you have a checker for it. Whence comes such a beast? This card works just fine on Mandrake 8.0, haven't tried 8.1, and Windows 98 SE, so the problem is unlikely to be my hardware. I look to Mandrakesoft to solve the problem with X - it looks like the installer is not building a good config file for Voodoo 3 3000. This is odd because the demo of X offered during install all works fine. This has to be an installer oversight? Well Ron you've been around here maybe as long as I have. You just talk allot more. I can remember when 7.0 was about to come out and I was pissed because it wouldn't install on a machine I had. Win98 worked just fine and mandrake 6.5 if I remember correctly. So I mailed the list and raved for a good long while untill pixel wrote me back kindly and told me to check the cdrom. You know what it was the cdrom and it did work fine under windows for a little longer but when mandrake started compileing stuff i586 it requires allot more from the hardware instead of just getting allong with the status quoe. Now having said this I'm not saying the installer is not at fault. I run a computer store. I do this for a living. I'm glad mandrake has helped me to be better at my job. I 've learned allot about hardware from just being here. I've also had 2 voodoo3 3000's go bad on me. All I'm saying is that you might want to check your card. It may save you no end of posible grief some time in the future. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Still no X for Voodoo 3
Brook Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 07 March 2002 15:32, you wrote: This card works just fine on Mandrake 8.0, haven't tried 8.1, and Windows 98 SE, so the problem is unlikely to be my hardware. I look to Mandrakesoft to solve the problem with X - it looks like the installer is not building a good config file for Voodoo 3 3000. This is odd because the demo of X offered during install all works fine. This has to be an installer oversight? You will have noticed the ? Well Ron you've been around here maybe as long as I have. ... Now having said this I'm not saying the installer is not at fault. I run a computer store. I do this for a living. I'm glad mandrake has helped me to be better at my job. I 've learned allot about hardware from just being here. I've also had 2 voodoo3 3000's go bad on me. All I'm saying is that you might want to check your card. It may save you no end of posible grief some time in the future. Thanks. The best I can possibly do is to invest in another popular video card sigh, especially because 3dfx Company (Voodoo manufacturer) is now out of business. I have two clients with old Trident cards - Mandrake will not install on either. It used to. The developers of X (MIT) should be doing a much better job. What has been working should remain working across new releases. -- Ron. [au]
