Re: [Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-07 Thread Joal Heagney

David Walluck wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Fabrice FACORAT wrote:
> 
> > Le Vendredi 7 Septembre 2001 10:51, Grégoire Colbert scribit :
> > > I can read multiple files, like several MP3s, at the same time. I'm
> > > using for example the libOSS driver in XMMS and ogg123 in a console, and
> > > can hear the two files together. I don't know what you want more.
> >
> > Your driver support full duplex, lucky are you. The same for me ( SBLive ).
> > the problem is to find a way to compensate the lack of full duplex when your
> > drivers doen't support it. it's really a pain.
> > Several people when they use linux first time with and old sound card without
> > full duplex support are a little bit disappointed. Most of the time they hear
> > mp3 with xmms and use licq, and unless they stop xmms, they can't hear licq
> > notifications. I manage to convince one to buy a Creative SBLive, but I'm not
> > going to do that everytime.
> > It will be interesting if we could find a workaround. I will have a look at
> > it. I really hope that there is a solution, or that we can have multiplex
> > everything thanks to a soft.
> 
> This has nothing at all to do with full-duplex vs. half-duplex. It used to
> be that only one program could access the sound device at a time, but with
> the advent of the sound daemons (most notably artsd), you can hear more
> than one program playing sound at the same time.

Yes, but only if the programs that want to play sound make their call
through artsd. If you've got a non-arts program that expects to drop
sound onto the /dev/dsp device file directly, it chucks a hissyfit
because artsd has already claimed it. (At least on my soundcard.)
Occasionally you can use artsdsp to fit things in, but not always.
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Re: [Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-07 Thread David Walluck

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Fabrice FACORAT wrote:

> Le Vendredi 7 Septembre 2001 10:51, Grégoire Colbert scribit :
> > I can read multiple files, like several MP3s, at the same time. I'm
> > using for example the libOSS driver in XMMS and ogg123 in a console, and
> > can hear the two files together. I don't know what you want more.
>
> Your driver support full duplex, lucky are you. The same for me ( SBLive ).
> the problem is to find a way to compensate the lack of full duplex when your
> drivers doen't support it. it's really a pain.
> Several people when they use linux first time with and old sound card without
> full duplex support are a little bit disappointed. Most of the time they hear
> mp3 with xmms and use licq, and unless they stop xmms, they can't hear licq
> notifications. I manage to convince one to buy a Creative SBLive, but I'm not
> going to do that everytime.
> It will be interesting if we could find a workaround. I will have a look at
> it. I really hope that there is a solution, or that we can have multiplex
> everything thanks to a soft.

This has nothing at all to do with full-duplex vs. half-duplex. It used to
be that only one program could access the sound device at a time, but with
the advent of the sound daemons (most notably artsd), you can hear more
than one program playing sound at the same time.

-- 
Sincerely,

David Walluck
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





Re: [Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-07 Thread Fabrice FACORAT

Le Vendredi 7 Septembre 2001 10:51, Grégoire Colbert scribit :
> I can read multiple files, like several MP3s, at the same time. I'm
> using for example the libOSS driver in XMMS and ogg123 in a console, and
> can hear the two files together. I don't know what you want more.

Your driver support full duplex, lucky are you. The same for me ( SBLive ).
the problem is to find a way to compensate the lack of full duplex when your 
drivers doen't support it. it's really a pain. 
Several people when they use linux first time with and old sound card without 
full duplex support are a little bit disappointed. Most of the time they hear 
mp3 with xmms and use licq, and unless they stop xmms, they can't hear licq 
notifications. I manage to convince one to buy a Creative SBLive, but I'm not 
going to do that everytime.
It will be interesting if we could find a workaround. I will have a look at 
it. I really hope that there is a solution, or that we can have multiplex 
everything thanks to a soft.

-- 
Copyleft Faber's prod. 2001
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html




Re: [Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-07 Thread Grégoire Colbert

Joal Heagney wrote:

> What would be nice is if esd and/or artsd could be set up like a
> sound-tee. Artsd/esd connect to the soundcard and serve arts/esound
> calls. Additionally any calls to /dev/dsp are routed automatically to a
> pipe in the sound server that acts like /dev/dsp. What would be REALLY
> nice is if they could be set up to supply lots of pipes, eg. /dev/dsp,
> /dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2 and all calls are mixed by the server. Yeah. I know
> - lotta work, and it would probably have to partially exist in the
> kernel, if anywhere.
>


I can read multiple files, like several MP3s, at the same time. I'm 
using for example the libOSS driver in XMMS and ogg123 in a console, and 
can hear the two files together. I don't know what you want more.

Grégoire

PS : I'm not using KDE though.







Re: [Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-07 Thread Joal Heagney

guran wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> VERSION (rsync ftp.sunet.se)
> /ChangeLog/1.568/Thu Sep  6 16:33:18 2001//
> Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20010906 22:17
> 
> I had some murky experiences of sound, in this install. No sound at the start
> of KDE, but that has come back, none still in FlightGear and none in
> RealPlayer.
> 
> I went to Mdk Control Center, my SB AWE 64 PNP was set at 210/6 and it has
> always run at 220/5.
> 
> I went into old sndconfig and then it came up in the old numbers and I have
> sound at the start of KDE and in RealPlayer.
> 
> regards
> guran
> --
> Mandrake Linux 8.1 beta Cooker kernel-2.4.8-19 vers:1.568

You have sound in KDE? That means that the artsd is working, which takes
control of /dev/dsp. While artsd is running (It can be set to start up
at login.) any program that tries to directly connect to /dev/dsp may
return an error if you start it from the command-line, and definitely
start (if it starts at all) without sound. If you're not starting it
from the command-line, you miss any error messages and wonder what the
hells going on. *speaking from experience* At command-line, try
killall artsd
program-name
After program finishes,
artsd & as normal user to restore KDE sound.

There is a program called artsdsp that tries to emulate the /dev/dsp
file, so you may be able to get a program running with arts. However,
I've tried running on LM8.0
artsd &
artsdsp esd &(Works - gives me arts and esd services.)
artsdsp festival_server (A voice synthesiser server.)
and it seems that only one artsdsp connection can be made at the same
time. Additionally, I tried the mirror of this
esd &
esddsp artsd &
And arts will not connect to the esd emulation of /dev/dsp. *sighs*

What would be nice is if esd and/or artsd could be set up like a
sound-tee. Artsd/esd connect to the soundcard and serve arts/esound
calls. Additionally any calls to /dev/dsp are routed automatically to a
pipe in the sound server that acts like /dev/dsp. What would be REALLY
nice is if they could be set up to supply lots of pipes, eg. /dev/dsp,
/dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2 and all calls are mixed by the server. Yeah. I know
- lotta work, and it would probably have to partially exist in the
kernel, if anywhere.
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[Cooker] Test sound please

2001-09-06 Thread guran

Hi

VERSION (rsync ftp.sunet.se)
/ChangeLog/1.568/Thu Sep  6 16:33:18 2001//
Mandrake Linux Cooker-i586 20010906 22:17

I had some murky experiences of sound, in this install. No sound at the start 
of KDE, but that has come back, none still in FlightGear and none in 
RealPlayer.

I went to Mdk Control Center, my SB AWE 64 PNP was set at 210/6 and it has 
always run at 220/5.

I went into old sndconfig and then it came up in the old numbers and I have 
sound at the start of KDE and in RealPlayer.

regards
guran
-- 
Mandrake Linux 8.1 beta Cooker kernel-2.4.8-19 vers:1.568