Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin Kernel
On Thursday 25 September 2003 05:58 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > > Anyway, the patch in the SRPM is the one from Netraverse, which they > were using for 2.4.22.7mdk, and since it still takes, I don't see that > they would need to change it. > > Netraverse will have kernels out quite soon I guess, but if you want to > build your own, just use the patch in the SRPM. > I will, I was just trying to think of others who perhaps are not as industrious as I. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin Kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: > Any chance that the "official" kernel for 9.2 could be "officially" provided > to Netraverse so they can get working on an "official" Netraverse supported > kernel for Win4Lin that will work with their graphical installer? Well, AFAIK 2.4.22.10mdk is final. > I know Buchan has built a 9.2 kernel in contrib that supports Win4Lin, but > lot's of people will only use the graphical installer or are like me and want > to apply the Netraverse patches to the Mandrake sources to build a custom > kernel. Well, people who do an update instead of a new install can just urpmi kernel-win4lin and reboot to have it working for 9.2. Anyway, the patch in the SRPM is the one from Netraverse, which they were using for 2.4.22.7mdk, and since it still takes, I don't see that they would need to change it. Netraverse will have kernels out quite soon I guess, but if you want to build your own, just use the patch in the SRPM. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/crwyrJK6UGDSBKcRAkSUAJoCHyYYwUrL9v05brCvuvWEHLvLxgCgnbPH 5lkzSYFcy0HN8LGzL4BtDBw= =g3uN -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
[Cooker] Win4Lin Kernel
Any chance that the "official" kernel for 9.2 could be "officially" provided to Netraverse so they can get working on an "official" Netraverse supported kernel for Win4Lin that will work with their graphical installer? I know Buchan has built a 9.2 kernel in contrib that supports Win4Lin, but lot's of people will only use the graphical installer or are like me and want to apply the Netraverse patches to the Mandrake sources to build a custom kernel. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: > SMP runs great, Buchan. > It even runs win4lin! It would be pretty useless if it didn't ;-). Thanks for testing! Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/a0ZurJK6UGDSBKcRAuJoAJ0XXpDj/cuW53/Bw8+n3IB2weYPvwCfQrau Z2RgIBTDrHzobCpZpflncLQ= =NEoH -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
On 09/19/2003 01:34:46 PM, Buchan Milne wrote: Could you remove the entry, run lilo, and see if lilo runs ok, if it boots etc (and I would also like to know the image names lilo has - there should be a win4lin-smp and a 2422-10mdkw4l or similar. 2422-10smpw4l actually. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
On 09/19/2003 01:34:46 PM, Buchan Milne wrote: > installing > /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3-5mdk.i586. rpm > /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/win4lin-utils-3-5mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... > ## > 1:win4lin-utils > ## > 2:kernel-win4lin-smp- > 2.4.22.10mdk## > error: %postun(Kernel-Win4Lin3-Mandrake9.1smp_2.4.21.25-01) scriptlet > failed, exit status 255 File a bug upstream for Kernel-Win4Lin3-Mandrake9.1smp_2.4.21.25-01 Oh sorry, I didn't notice what was happening there. I forgot I had the official win4lin kernel installed. It may not have been removed becuase I goofed with lilo.conf a lot and they just used a tag before and after the entry to remove it. I notice the pre tag is gone but the post is still there, so it may have been my fault. I wouldn't worry about it for now. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
SMP runs great, Buchan. It even runs win4lin! Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: > UP version installs and runs perfectly. > SMP gives this error on install: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# urpmi kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk > To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be > installed (2 MB): > kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3-5mdk.i586 > win4lin-utils-3-5mdk.i586 > Is this OK? (Y/n) > > installing > /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3-5mdk.i586. rpm > /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/win4lin-utils-3-5mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... > ## > 1:win4lin-utils > ## > 2:kernel-win4lin-smp- > 2.4.22.10mdk## > error: %postun(Kernel-Win4Lin3-Mandrake9.1smp_2.4.21.25-01) scriptlet > failed, exit status 255 File a bug upstream for Kernel-Win4Lin3-Mandrake9.1smp_2.4.21.25-01 I guess I should try and handle this in %post though, since it will afect many people ... but it might be Netraverse's perl script having problems with a lilo.conf which has been modified since you installed their kernel. Maybe I shouldn't obsolete Kernel-Win4Lin3, and just provide it? Then it wouldn't be uninstalled, but there could be problems with rpm and the /boot/win4lin link, and uninstalling Kernel-Win4Lin3 later could remove the link on uninstall (which would also give problems). > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# lilo > Added linux * > Added linux-nonfb > Added linux-smp > Added failsafe > Added floppy > Fatal: open /boot/win4lin: No such file or directory Hmm, I wanted support for multiple win4lin flavours (smp, up, enterprise), and forgot they installed them all as /boot/win4lin. But this entry should really have been removed by the %postun that failed above. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# ls /boot > boot.0300 message@ > config@ message-graphic > config-2.4.22-10mdksmp message-text > config-2.4.22-9mdk System.map@ > config-2.4.22-9mdksmp System.map-2.4.22-10mdksmp > diag1.img System.map-2.4.22-9mdk > diag2.img System.map-2.4.22-9mdksmp > grub/ System.map.pre-win4lin@ > initrd-2.4.22-10mdksmp.img System.map.win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp > initrd-2.4.22-9mdk.img us.klt > initrd-2.4.22-9mdksmp.img vmlinuz@ > initrd.img@ vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdksmp > initrd-smp.img@ vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk > initrd-win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp.img vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdksmp > initrd-win4lin-smp.img@ vmlinuz-smp@ > kernel.h@ win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp > kernel.h-2.4.22-9mdksmp win4lin-smp@ > map Well, there's no winlin, as there should not be. There shouldn't be a lilo stanza for image=/boot/win4lin anymore. Unfortuntately you're going to have to clean up after Netraverse kernel. Could you remove the entry, run lilo, and see if lilo runs ok, if it boots etc (and I would also like to know the image names lilo has - there should be a win4lin-smp and a 2422-10mdkw4l or similar. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/az41rJK6UGDSBKcRAgZaAJ9sGpc/hzYlIfelksXEKVFzKI6bEgCeLdJx LmYzal5GloeXDic/O5c924g= =JnEc -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
UP version installs and runs perfectly. SMP gives this error on install: [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# urpmi kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (2 MB): kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3-5mdk.i586 win4lin-utils-3-5mdk.i586 Is this OK? (Y/n) installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-win4lin-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3-5mdk.i586. rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/win4lin-utils-3-5mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...## 1:win4lin-utils ## 2:kernel-win4lin-smp- 2.4.22.10mdk## error: %postun(Kernel-Win4Lin3-Mandrake9.1smp_2.4.21.25-01) scriptlet failed, exit status 255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# lilo Added linux * Added linux-nonfb Added linux-smp Added failsafe Added floppy Fatal: open /boot/win4lin: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] austin]# ls /boot boot.0300 message@ config@ message-graphic config-2.4.22-10mdksmp message-text config-2.4.22-9mdk System.map@ config-2.4.22-9mdksmp System.map-2.4.22-10mdksmp diag1.img System.map-2.4.22-9mdk diag2.img System.map-2.4.22-9mdksmp grub/ System.map.pre-win4lin@ initrd-2.4.22-10mdksmp.img System.map.win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp initrd-2.4.22-9mdk.img us.klt initrd-2.4.22-9mdksmp.img vmlinuz@ initrd.img@ vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdksmp initrd-smp.img@ vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdk initrd-win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp.img vmlinuz-2.4.22-9mdksmp initrd-win4lin-smp.img@ vmlinuz-smp@ kernel.h@ win4lin-2.4.22-10mdksmp kernel.h-2.4.22-9mdksmp win4lin-smp@ map Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
On 09/18/2003 07:39:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just build a new win4lin kernel for 2.4.22.10mdk and uploaded to contrib, but I probably won't be able to test it until late tomorrow - so I would appreciate if someone with win4lin could test it (preferably all 3 kernels - up, smp, enterprise). Even if you don't have win4lin, if you're bored, it would help me to know if it boots or not ... Will do. I'll even test it with win4lin! Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
[Cooker] win4lin kernel - can someone test it?
I have just build a new win4lin kernel for 2.4.22.10mdk and uploaded to contrib, but I probably won't be able to test it until late tomorrow - so I would appreciate if someone with win4lin could test it (preferably all 3 kernels - up, smp, enterprise). Even if you don't have win4lin, if you're bored, it would help me to know if it boots or not ... Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches
Hoyt wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 November 2000 01:49 am, you wrote: > > > > > Right now that 's what has kept me from trying Win4Lin. I have a nicely > > running system and won't do a whole lot to it until Mandrake has a 2.4 > > based distro ( yes my main box is still at 7.1 ) > > > > Then they provide a patched Mandrake 7.1 kernel all ready for you to use and > a demo version (time limited) to try out. > I'm SMP... -randy
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
Jim Bradley wrote: > I think that you are the one with the misperception. I think that Randy wants > the newest and greatest Mandrake kernel, and to do that you have to build your Randy explicitly stated that he was running 7.1. > having to use Win4Lin's Mandrake kernel (or other), which is a 2.2.16 (or > 2.2.15) version. 7.1 uses 2.2.15 Cheers --- Larry
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
** Reply to message from Larry Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:02:57 -0500 > Randy, it seems that some misperception is being distributed that you > need to build kernels and such to run win4lin. That's simply not the > case, though there is no sitting kernel that works with it and v7.2. > But for 7.1 you don't need to do any kernel patching or rebuilding. I think that you are the one with the misperception. I think that Randy wants the newest and greatest Mandrake kernel, and to do that you have to build your own. It would be nice if the hooks were already there in Mandrake, rather than having to use Win4Lin's Mandrake kernel (or other), which is a 2.2.16 (or 2.2.15) version. Jim Bradley -- Maryville, MO USA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
> Right now that 's what has kept me from trying Win4Lin. I have a nicely > running system and won't do a whole lot to it until Mandrake has a 2.4 > based distro ( yes my main box is still at 7.1 ) Randy, it seems that some misperception is being distributed that you need to build kernels and such to run win4lin. That's simply not the case, though there is no sitting kernel that works with it and v7.2. But for 7.1 you don't need to do any kernel patching or rebuilding. When you install it, win4lin sets up a SECOND kernel and sets it on your lilo menu. Mine's now set as the default and I could probably eliminate the old one but this kernel works without any patching or manipulation other than using rpm to extract it. > Perhaps Netraverse would like to have something a little more plug and > play... If these guys have a weakness it is in their marketing. While everyone else seems more interested in marketing than anything else, the Win4lin folks don't seem to have a clue how much damage they're doing to their product image by not evaluating their evalution package to install with things like Mandrake 7.2. The dumb thing is that they have the 2.2.17 patch available for those who DO want to build the stuff but they haven't actually used it themselves in making their evaluation copy :-( I run 7.1 so this isn't an issue for me but they really do need to get their act together in that regard. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches
On Wednesday 29 November 2000 01:49 am, you wrote: > > Right now that 's what has kept me from trying Win4Lin. I have a nicely > running system and won't do a whole lot to it until Mandrake has a 2.4 > based distro ( yes my main box is still at 7.1 ) > Then they provide a patched Mandrake 7.1 kernel all ready for you to use and a demo version (time limited) to try out. -- Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
> > > IIRC, they are similar to the kernel hooks already added to support VMware, > so there _should_ be no ideological issues here. > There are no special 'VMware' hooks in Mandrake. VMware has modules they load into the kernel. No re-compile of the kernel source required. Since running running Mandrake I haven't had to ( or really wanted to ) re-compile the kernel from source. And yes I used to do it all the time. Right now that 's what has kept me from trying Win4Lin. I have a nicely running system and won't do a whole lot to it until Mandrake has a 2.4 based distro ( yes my main box is still at 7.1 ) > According to the feedback I got from Trelos (now Netraverse), the Mandrake > folks just don't want to consider it. If true, that's unfortunate. > Perhaps Netraverse would like to have something a little more plug and play... -randy
Re: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
- Original Message - From: "Leon Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: [Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5) > "Raymond S. Swaim" wrote: > > >> It would be nice for Mandrake to provide Win4Lin support "out-of-the-box". > > > I second that motion. ;-) > > And I third it! > > . . . the Win4Lin > changes are small. I think Mandrake's sales staff would go for it (pump up the > volume), and there is no direct compromise of the distribution's open-ness. It > would help Mandrake penetration into the business market if you could install > the distro, download the Win4Lin userland apps and be running everything in the > office from your Mandrake box within minutes. > IIRC, they are similar to the kernel hooks already added to support VMware, so there _should_ be no ideological issues here. According to the feedback I got from Trelos (now Netraverse), the Mandrake folks just don't want to consider it. If true, that's unfortunate. I would ask that they re-consider. I am very impressed with 7.2's ability to install, detect hardware and implement a slick desktop suitable for a business workstation. Clearly one of the leaders in the field. The inclusion of Win4Lin support would only make the distro more desireable. Hoyt
[Cooker] Win4Lin kernel patches (was: running IE 5)
"Raymond S. Swaim" wrote: >> Probably [Win4Lin] won't be [Open Source], but it would be nice if the Mandrake >> folks included the Win4Lin hooks in the Mandrake kernel. I've tried to get both >> parties talking, but no luck. For using Windows apps in a Linux business >> environment, Win4Lin seems superior to VMware (and likely Plex86) due to the >> way it is structured. Cheaper, too. And it does tricks that neither of the above will do. >> It would be nice for Mandrake to provide Win4Lin support "out-of-the-box". > I second that motion. ;-) And I third it! The patches don;t work against an as-delivered Mandrakified kernel source set, I don't want to lose Mandrake's performance and security tweaks, there is no comprehensive list supplied with the modified kernel to allow one to pick and choose which patches to use against a ``vanilla'' kernel, and the Win4Lin changes are small. I think Mandrake's sales staff would go for it (pump up the volume), and there is no direct compromise of the distribution's open-ness. It would help Mandrake penetration into the business market if you could install the distro, download the Win4Lin userland apps and be running everything in the office from your Mandrake box within minutes. -- If the hackers release the source [to Windows or MS-Office] into the "wild", we're likely to see a similar situation to DeCSS[...] -- The Dodger, on the Oct2000 Microsoft crack How the hell am I going to get all that bloatware on the back of a t-shirt?! -- nick_davison, in reply
