Re: Kmail and imap (RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3)
On Tuesday 13 March 2001 4:54, you wrote: | So sprach Ed Wilts am Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:36:15AM -0600: |Use fetchmail to pull your mail into a local mailbox, and then have |KMail read it from there. I use this technique for reading my mail |from a POP server, but fetchmail supports IMAP too. | | Yes, this will certainly work - but doesn't this completely defeat the | advantages of an IMAP account? | IMAP support in Kmail is planned for KDE 2.2. Magellan (KDE 2.x mail client) will have IMAP support soon after first release (appx. May 2001) // according to info from its developers | Alexander Skwar -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: Kmail and imap (RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3)
On Tuesday 13 March 2001 01:04, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: I'd comment on KMail, but I see you're using Microsoft Outlook (yuck!). If you have a copy of kmail that is usable with IMAP server over 28Kb modem line, I am ready to test is. Use fetchmail to pull your mail into a local mailbox, and then have KMail read it from there. I use this technique for reading my mail from a POP server, but fetchmail supports IMAP too. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kmail and imap (RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3)
So sprach Ed Wilts am Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 06:36:15AM -0600: Use fetchmail to pull your mail into a local mailbox, and then have KMail read it from there. I use this technique for reading my mail from a POP server, but fetchmail supports IMAP too. Yes, this will certainly work - but doesn't this completely defeat the advantages of an IMAP account? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 22 hours 51 minutes
RE: Kmail and imap (RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3)
Use fetchmail to pull your mail into a local mailbox, and then have KMail read it from there. I use this technique for reading my mail from a POP server, but fetchmail supports IMAP too. Yes, this will certainly work - but doesn't this completely defeat the advantages of an IMAP account? Exactly. -andrej
RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
Please watch your attritions - I did not write that but wrote a response to it. My apologies. It is even worse. Look in konqueror - all fonts are reset to "Abadi MT condensed Light". Both proprtional and fixed width! At least, here I can really select something different. This is really odd since I don't even since this font on my list. I'm using the XftConfig file that comes with XFree86, and then I grabbed Keith Packard's truetype font package, put that in the truetype directory (which is referenced by the XftConfig file) and I've got a pretty decent display. Well, I just added drakfont to XftConfig assuming the fonts are the same. I even tried to remove everything except drakfont and fixed from xfs config and still get this font. I have not yet tried to browse with konqueror ... BTW WRF is this Abadi? Konqueror browsing has definitely improved. Hmm ... partially. Just interested, what font is used for fixed-width? I set it to 'Courier New' (famous windows). Also, what is the minimal font size? With 10 fonts sometimes are too small and with 11 overall they look too large for me. Never heard about it. I added Windows (drakfont) directory to XftConfig. It should be the same as installed fonts mentioned in this thread. I tried it too, but it is *NOT* the same. Get Keith's package and use it. Whatever is special in there is what makes it work. I'm guessing it might be the XftConfig file in his package directory but I'm not sure. I'll give it a try. P.S. Now I understand why this AA qt2 patch was put on hold :-) I wonder if it was ever tested before releasing ... This is Cooker - expect issues like this! Who do you think is doing the testing? I meant qt development team actually. I referred to my old question about AA patch for Qt in cooker and response that it was rejected being "too alpha". With the additional font package and a little bit of personal font selection, it's definitely usable and overall looks pretty good. Could you please list (some of) fonts you've selected? also, what is the relation between XftConfig and xfs? Should they use the same font directories? TIA -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
On Monday 12 March 2001 05:17, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: With the additional font package and a little bit of personal font selection, it's definitely usable and overall looks pretty good. Could you please list (some of) fonts you've selected? also, what is the relation between XftConfig and xfs? Should they use the same font directories? In KDE Control Center, I'm using Arial 12 for all except Toolbar (Arial 10), Window Title (Verdana 10) and Taskbar (Verdana 11). I'd comment on KMail, but I see you're using Microsoft Outlook (yuck!). In Konqueror, I'm using Arial for my Standard font, Bitstream Charter for Fixed, LucidaSerif for Serif, LucidaSans for Sans Serif, and have a minimum font size of 12. I hope this helps, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kmail and imap (RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3)
I'd comment on KMail, but I see you're using Microsoft Outlook (yuck!). If you have a copy of kmail that is usable with IMAP server over 28Kb modem line, I am ready to test is. -andrej
RE: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
* Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and This could become a big problem. I'm not sure if it has been discussed before, but these fonts are really high quality and it would be helpful to include them in the distribution. The problem is that there are copyrighted by Microsoft and Distributed under their EULA. AFAICS, Microsoft does allow the distribution in RPM format, but it's still political. Are not those fonts just standard Windows fonts (at least, judging by file names)? Which means, anybody with dual-installation can just use drakfont to import them. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
Andrej Borsenkow wrote: * Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and This could become a big problem. I'm not sure if it has been discussed before, but these fonts are really high quality and it would be helpful to include them in the distribution. The problem is that there are copyrighted by Microsoft and Distributed under their EULA. AFAICS, Microsoft does allow the distribution in RPM format, but it's still political. Are not those fonts just standard Windows fonts (at least, judging by file names)? Which means, anybody with dual-installation can just use drakfont to import them. -andrej Installing the true type font's doesn't seem to help at all anyway. Why are not fonts available for konsole? No matter where I put fonts I can select only fixed for konsole and it's un-useable right now with that one. -- Jason Straight
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
On Sunday 11 March 2001 07:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrej Borsenkow wrote: * Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and Are not those fonts just standard Windows fonts (at least, judging by file names)? Which means, anybody with dual-installation can just use drakfont to import them. -andrej Installing the true type font's doesn't seem to help at all anyway. Why are not fonts available for konsole? Installing those fonts sure helped me. konsole still only has the fixed font available, but konsole is now readable whereas it was totally unusable before. I did have my own collection of truetype fonts before I grabbed Keith's, but that did not seem to help me. I don't know if it's the XftConfig file in the truetype directory that helps or if something else is different. No matter where I put fonts I can select only fixed for konsole and it's un-useable right now with that one. Take Keith's truetype font archive and do the following: # cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts # tar zxf ~/truetype.tar.gz # or wherever you got it from Now restart X -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
So what changed all of a sudden in Qt to break the fonts? Seems like I should be able to chose from more than a list of 1 the font I want to use with a QT based program.
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: No matter where I put fonts I can select only fixed for konsole and it's un-useable right now with that one. It is even worse. Look in konqueror - all fonts are reset to "Abadi MT condensed Light". Both proprtional and fixed width! At least, here I can really select something different. It looks, like in other places where fixed-width fonts were used before now proprtional fonts are in use. At least, kppp log window looks really funny. I have not yet tried to browse with konqueror ... BTW WRF is this Abadi? Never heard about it. I added Windows (drakfont) directory to XftConfig. It should be the same as installed fonts mentioned in this thread. Konsole is readable ... but it puts cursor way after prompt right margine. I gues, I have seen something similar already, forgot where. -andrej P.S. Now I understand why this AA qt2 patch was put on hold :-) I wonder if it was ever tested before releasing ...
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
As Arnd reports, it appears that you can either have AA'ed font or _old_style_ fonts under QT 2.3. Further, it would appear that when using AA'ed fonts you need to define them with a XftConfig file or you will only get _FIXED_. So if we are to effectively use QT 2.3 in a workable manner, someone will need to make a nice XftConfig and probably change DrakFont to understand how to generate a XftConfig files. My suggestion would be to build QT 2.3 with standard fonts and include a second on one the distrubition that supports AA. -Rob - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3 So what changed all of a sudden in Qt to break the fonts? Seems like I should be able to chose from more than a list of 1 the font I want to use with a QT based program.
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
On Sunday 11 March 2001 12:59, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: No matter where I put fonts I can select only fixed for konsole and it's un-useable right now with that one. Please watch your attritions - I did not write that but wrote a response to it. It is even worse. Look in konqueror - all fonts are reset to "Abadi MT condensed Light". Both proprtional and fixed width! At least, here I can really select something different. This is really odd since I don't even since this font on my list. I'm using the XftConfig file that comes with XFree86, and then I grabbed Keith Packard's truetype font package, put that in the truetype directory (which is referenced by the XftConfig file) and I've got a pretty decent display. I have not yet tried to browse with konqueror ... BTW WRF is this Abadi? Konqueror browsing has definitely improved. Never heard about it. I added Windows (drakfont) directory to XftConfig. It should be the same as installed fonts mentioned in this thread. I tried it too, but it is *NOT* the same. Get Keith's package and use it. Whatever is special in there is what makes it work. I'm guessing it might be the XftConfig file in his package directory but I'm not sure. P.S. Now I understand why this AA qt2 patch was put on hold :-) I wonder if it was ever tested before releasing ... This is Cooker - expect issues like this! Who do you think is doing the testing? With the additional font package and a little bit of personal font selection, it's definitely usable and overall looks pretty good. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
Where/Where is this package that you speak of by Keith? On Sunday 11 March 2001 17:44, you wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2001 12:59, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Ed Wilts wrote: No matter where I put fonts I can select only fixed for konsole and it's un-useable right now with that one. Please watch your attritions - I did not write that but wrote a response to it. It is even worse. Look in konqueror - all fonts are reset to "Abadi MT condensed Light". Both proprtional and fixed width! At least, here I can really select something different. This is really odd since I don't even since this font on my list. I'm using the XftConfig file that comes with XFree86, and then I grabbed Keith Packard's truetype font package, put that in the truetype directory (which is referenced by the XftConfig file) and I've got a pretty decent display. I have not yet tried to browse with konqueror ... BTW WRF is this Abadi? Konqueror browsing has definitely improved. Never heard about it. I added Windows (drakfont) directory to XftConfig. It should be the same as installed fonts mentioned in this thread. I tried it too, but it is *NOT* the same. Get Keith's package and use it. Whatever is special in there is what makes it work. I'm guessing it might be the XftConfig file in his package directory but I'm not sure. P.S. Now I understand why this AA qt2 patch was put on hold :-) I wonder if it was ever tested before releasing ... This is Cooker - expect issues like this! Who do you think is doing the testing? With the additional font package and a little bit of personal font selection, it's definitely usable and overall looks pretty good.
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
On Sunday 11 March 2001 14:30, christopher campbell wrote: Where/Where is this package that you speak of by Keith? [...] http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ -- Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586 KDE 2.1 Linux 2.2.17-27mdkWin4Lin, Uptime 1 day 4 hours 18 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
I just looked at the qt sources and it looks like at the moment it is impossible to use non-AA and AA fonts at the same time in one application. This is really bad news, since AA is great for Web pages, but IMHO is inacceptable for the fonts in Mandrake when using small (=11) font sizes. On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Rob Snow wrote: The problem with fonts seems to be that in QT 2.3 you need to have a XftConfig file to define your font mappings for QT -- X11. To fix todays cooker to make it somewhat usable, do the following: * Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and This could become a big problem. I'm not sure if it has been discussed before, but these fonts are really high quality and it would be helpful to include them in the distribution. The problem is that there are copyrighted by Microsoft and Distributed under their EULA. AFAICS, Microsoft does allow the distribution in RPM format, but it's still political. XftConfig * untar the truetype.tar.gz into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype * put the XftConfig file into /etc/X11 The file is already installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/, no need to put it in /etc/X11/. * edit it to make sure it's pointing to the new fonts (has a dir set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype) * restart X Problem with this is that you lose all your drakfonts (windows fonts you've added through DrakFont) Adding /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont to the search path in XftConfig solves this. and the mapping seem pretty bad for some things (konsole), BUT it does give you a working framework to make things much better and hopefully enumerate what the basic problem seems to be. There was a source patch on the KDE-devel mailing list for konsole and as a temporary fix it is possible to set the font to Unicode. Arnd
[Cooker] Workable fix for fonts under QT 2.3
WARNING: This is a simplistic fix to a deeper problem that I _really_ don't want to solve as I HATE dealing with font issues. Having said this, it should put you guys on the right track. The problem with fonts seems to be that in QT 2.3 you need to have a XftConfig file to define your font mappings for QT -- X11. To fix todays cooker to make it somewhat usable, do the following: * Go to http://keithp.com/~keithp/fonts/ and get truetype.tar.gz and XftConfig * untar the truetype.tar.gz into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype * put the XftConfig file into /etc/X11 * edit it to make sure it's pointing to the new fonts (has a dir set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype) * restart X Problem with this is that you lose all your drakfonts (windows fonts you've added through DrakFont) and the mapping seem pretty bad for some things (konsole), BUT it does give you a working framework to make things much better and hopefully enumerate what the basic problem seems to be. PLEASE someone who can deal with fonts take a look at this. Just doing this much with fonts has caused me to start drinking heavily and banging my head on the wall =) -Rob
