Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Thomas Backlund wrote: PS. Danny! I haven't checked how your kernel is doing this, but since it's an stable 2.4 kernel, the problem isn't that big, OTOH it's a contrib kernel, so I think the MDK people would like it better if you to would be doing this ... (I added the same to my kernels beginning with 2.4.22-1.tmb.1mdk), Sorry I forgot to mention this to you in my earlier mail... Dear Thomas, I had this in my kernel long before you even knew about it:-P
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 7. Syyskuuta 2003 17:15): On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Thomas Backlund wrote: PS. Danny! I haven't checked how your kernel is doing this, but since it's an stable 2.4 kernel, the problem isn't that big, OTOH it's a contrib kernel, so I think the MDK people would like it better if you to would be doing this ... (I added the same to my kernels beginning with 2.4.22-1.tmb.1mdk), Sorry I forgot to mention this to you in my earlier mail... Dear Thomas, I had this in my kernel long before you even knew about it:-P Yeah, I thought so... but I had to ask ... ;-) As it turns out it's a bug in the installer that does this :-( (seems to go by the highest version number) I'm adding a bugzilla entry now... -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:37, guran wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran Fine with me about the name change, but why when I do a urpmi kernel-2.6 it says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# urpmi kernel-2.6 One of the following packages is needed: 1- kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 2- kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# Thx, R.Fox
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 11:48, Robert Fox wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:37, guran wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran Fine with me about the name change, but why when I do a urpmi kernel-2.6 it says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# urpmi kernel-2.6 One of the following packages is needed: 1- kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 2- kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 10:09, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 11:48, Robert Fox wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:37, guran wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran Fine with me about the name change, but why when I do a urpmi kernel-2.6 it says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# urpmi kernel-2.6 One of the following packages is needed: 1- kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 2- kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... Nice guess - but I can't even find the bootloader-utils package! I maintain an actual copy (rsync) of the main mirror several times daily! Argh! R.Fox
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 13:56, Robert Fox wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 10:09, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 11:48, Robert Fox wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:37, guran wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran Fine with me about the name change, but why when I do a urpmi kernel-2.6 it says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# urpmi kernel-2.6 One of the following packages is needed: 1- kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 2- kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... Nice guess - but I can't even find the bootloader-utils package! I maintain an actual copy (rsync) of the main mirror several times daily! Argh! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 280603_glastonbury]$ rpm -qa | grep bootloader bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 280603_glastonbury]$ I got one. *shrug* Might still be on my mirror, I dunno, I don't rsync. I'm using lip6.fr at the moment, I think. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
From: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 10:09, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 11:48, Robert Fox wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:37, guran wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran Fine with me about the name change, but why when I do a urpmi kernel-2.6 it says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# urpmi kernel-2.6 One of the following packages is needed: 1- kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 2- kernel-smp-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... Nice guess - but I can't even find the bootloader-utils package! I maintain an actual copy (rsync) of the main mirror several times daily! If so, either your local mirror, or the mirror you are syncing from is screwed up... Both main mirrors have it: $ rsync -av ftp.uninett.no::Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/boot* -rw-r--r-- 18425 2003/09/05 11:17:27 bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk.i586.rpm $ rsync -av ftp.sunet.se::Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/boot* -rw-r--r-- 18425 2003/09/05 11:17:27 bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk.i586.rpm Thomas
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Saturday 06 September 2003 08:27 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... I think the point is that even with bootloader-utils installed, kernel2.6 complains of needing kernel-utils. Since there apparently is no kernel-utils anymore, but bootloader-utils instead, the dependencies for Kernel2.6 are wrong. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
I think the point is that even with bootloader-utils installed, kernel2.6 complains of needing kernel-utils. Since there apparently is no kernel-utils anymore, but bootloader-utils instead, the dependencies for Kernel2.6 are wrong. Right, but does it need a rebuilt for this ? -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
From: Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the point is that even with bootloader-utils installed, kernel2.6 complains of needing kernel-utils. Since there apparently is no kernel-utils anymore, but bootloader-utils instead, the dependencies for Kernel2.6 are wrong. Right, but does it need a rebuilt for this ? I think you do, since there is an other thing you need to change at the same time... you have to add the -L parameter to every /sbin/installkernel %post script, ( it makes the installkernel not add/modify the symlinks in /boot), since currently if you install a main 2.4 kernel, and a 2.6 kernel from contribs, the initrd.img, vmlinuz, and System.map symlinks will point to the 2.6 kernel, making the lilo entries linux, linux-nonfb and failsafe all using the 2.6 kernel, wich will lead to a disaster... think of people trying to troubleshoot their system, and they are told to boot into failsafe - they will be booting into an 2.6 test-kernel... Regards Thomas PS. Danny! I haven't checked how your kernel is doing this, but since it's an stable 2.4 kernel, the problem isn't that big, OTOH it's a contrib kernel, so I think the MDK people would like it better if you to would be doing this ... (I added the same to my kernels beginning with 2.4.22-1.tmb.1mdk), Sorry I forgot to mention this to you in my earlier mail...
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
I think you do, since there is an other thing you need to change at the same time... ok, i'll do that :) you have to add the -L parameter to every /sbin/installkernel %post script, ( it makes the installkernel not add/modify the symlinks in /boot), since currently if you install a main 2.4 kernel, and a 2.6 kernel from contribs, the initrd.img, vmlinuz, and System.map symlinks will point to the 2.6 kernel, making the lilo entries linux, linux-nonfb and failsafe all using the 2.6 kernel, wich will lead to a disaster... you're right ... -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Thomas Backlund wrote: PS. Danny! I haven't checked how your kernel is doing this, but since it's an stable 2.4 kernel, the problem isn't that big, OTOH it's a contrib kernel, so I think the MDK people would like it better if you to would be doing this ... (I added the same to my kernels beginning with 2.4.22-1.tmb.1mdk), Sorry I forgot to mention this to you in my earlier mail... But if a user installs a new kernel, that kernel should be their new default? IMHO, there is a problem with installkernel's logic, it should be making versioned bootloader entries for the previous default kernel, not the new one, which would ensure that on the first kernel installed after installation of the distro, the user wouldn't lose access to their original kernel (this assuming installkernel hasn't changed that much since it was in initscripts). Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
you have to add the -L parameter to every /sbin/installkernel %post script, ( it makes the installkernel not add/modify the symlinks in /boot), since currently if you install a main 2.4 kernel, and a 2.6 kernel from contribs, the initrd.img, vmlinuz, and System.map symlinks will point to the 2.6 kernel, making the lilo entries linux, linux-nonfb and failsafe all using the 2.6 kernel, wich will lead to a disaster... you're right ... but it was already done in kernel-2.6-2.6.0-0.test4.1mdk ... -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
But if a user installs a new kernel, that kernel should be their new default? IMHO, there is a problem with installkernel's logic, it should be making versioned bootloader entries for the previous default kernel, not the new one, which would ensure that on the first kernel installed after installation of the distro, the user wouldn't lose access to their original kernel (this assuming installkernel hasn't changed that much since it was in initscripts). I think the best would be to always make versionned bootloader entries when a kernel is installed and to update the symlinks. The only missing versionnned bootloader entry is the one that comes with the first installed kernel. -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
From: Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] you have to add the -L parameter to every /sbin/installkernel %post script, ( it makes the installkernel not add/modify the symlinks in /boot), since currently if you install a main 2.4 kernel, and a 2.6 kernel from contribs, the initrd.img, vmlinuz, and System.map symlinks will point to the 2.6 kernel, making the lilo entries linux, linux-nonfb and failsafe all using the 2.6 kernel, wich will lead to a disaster... you're right ... but it was already done in kernel-2.6-2.6.0-0.test4.1mdk ... Ah. sorry about that... I didn't recheck the latest 2.6 kernels... It was just something I remembered happend to me when I last did a Cooker Reinstall, and that was with the 2.6-test3 if IRC, and I don't remember seeing any changes to this in the changelog... so that leves us with the bootloader/kernel -utils... I don't think it's an urgent problem as long as it's rebuilt before 9.2 Final... Thomas
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
Ah. sorry about that... I didn't recheck the latest 2.6 kernels... It was just something I remembered happend to me when I last did a Cooker Reinstall, and that was with the 2.6-test3 if IRC, and I don't remember seeing any changes to this in the changelog... Strange, it is like this since the first spec revision. http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/contrib-SPECS/kernel-2.6/kernel-2.6.spec?rev=1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Or do you mean -L is missing for some custom kernel ? It looks good so that leves us with the bootloader/kernel -utils... I don't think it's an urgent problem as long as it's rebuilt before 9.2 Final... I will do that just in case there is no other release of kernel-2.6 until 9.2 final. -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
From: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Thomas Backlund wrote: PS. Danny! I haven't checked how your kernel is doing this, but since it's an stable 2.4 kernel, the problem isn't that big, OTOH it's a contrib kernel, so I think the MDK people would like it better if you to would be doing this ... (I added the same to my kernels beginning with 2.4.22-1.tmb.1mdk), Sorry I forgot to mention this to you in my earlier mail... But if a user installs a new kernel, that kernel should be their new default? IMHO, there is a problem with installkernel's logic, it should be making versioned bootloader entries for the previous default kernel, not the new one, which would ensure that on the first kernel installed after installation of the distro, the user wouldn't lose access to their original kernel (this assuming installkernel hasn't changed that much since it was in initscripts). That's my opinion too, but if IRC there was a discussion earlier on this same topic, wich pretty much ended up in an someone at mdk didn't like the idea..., so it got rejected... Maybe I'll have to provide a alternate bootloader-utils on my homepage, that does it the other way around so people can try it out... and if they like it maybe mdk will pick it up... Thomas
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
From: Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah. sorry about that... I didn't recheck the latest 2.6 kernels... It was just something I remembered happend to me when I last did a Cooker Reinstall, and that was with the 2.6-test3 if IRC, and I don't remember seeing any changes to this in the changelog... Strange, it is like this since the first spec revision. http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/contrib-SPECS/kernel-2.6/kernel-2.6.spec?rev=1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Or do you mean -L is missing for some custom kernel ? It looks good Now this is weird, either it's a DrakX installer bug, or I got bitten by a broken installkernel... Oh well, I'm syncing my cooker mirror right now, and will do a couple of testinstalls to chek if my earlier reported bugs are still there, and I'll check this at the same time... I'll let you know how it goes so that leves us with the bootloader/kernel -utils... I don't think it's an urgent problem as long as it's rebuilt before 9.2 Final... I will do that just in case there is no other release of kernel-2.6 until 9.2 final. That's good ;-) it will minimize the some bugreports... -- Olivier Blin
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.0-0.test4.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied kernel-utils[*]) (Y/n) y [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# It's just because it's not been rebuilt to depend on bootloader-utils instead, I think... Done, kernel-2.6-2.6.0-0.test4.3mdk has hit mirrors :) -- Olivier Blin
[Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. Anyone know where they are? Thx, R.Fox -- Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fox Consulting Services
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils
Re: [Cooker] kernel-utils missing from mirrors
On Friday 05 September 2003 23.05, Thierry Vignaud wrote: Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't install and test kernel-2.6 under Cooker because of the missing kernel-utils package. replaced by bootloader-utils Well I have a new hd.img installation for a couple of hours ago and NVIDIA's new installer can't install without kheader. [EMAIL PROTECTED] nvidia]$ rpm -qa bootloader-utils bootloader-utils-1.6-1mdk As you can see the bootloader is not enough. There are two ways out of this, the rest of the world changes their way and follow in line or a symlink or similar is setup. guran -- Mandrake Linux Cooker 9.2, KDE, kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk VERSION:200309051823
