Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Saturday 19 October 2002 02:56 pm, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] On a similar note (this may have been mentioned before).. would it be possible to add a retry button for the popup window that complains about ftp failing? Is VERY frustrating, when updating a dozen or so packages, and part Yep, adding that to my todo. way through this comes up. Being able to wait a few minutes and then retry the download may allow the update to continue if the problem is too many users on the mirror. Would have saved me over an hour today. I didn't know it would be so important for some sites. Change your site? :-) Good idea! You gonna add a way to change sites on the fly? ;-) Also, how hard would it be to remember the state of the + and - boxes? That way when rpmdrake reloads the list of programs, the state is closer to what it was when the packages started downloading. The problem is that when it reloads, installed packages may have changed, so dependencies are potentially broken. I could do something but it would probably require some tricky stuff.
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Friday 18 October 2002 05:27 pm, Elliott Martin wrote: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. On a similar note (this may have been mentioned before).. would it be possible to add a retry button for the popup window that complains about ftp failing? Is VERY frustrating, when updating a dozen or so packages, and part way through this comes up. Being able to wait a few minutes and then retry the download may allow the update to continue if the problem is too many users on the mirror. Would have saved me over an hour today. Also, how hard would it be to remember the state of the + and - boxes? That way when rpmdrake reloads the list of programs, the state is closer to what it was when the packages started downloading. Just my $0.02.. V.
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Oh, and almost forgot... Would it be possible to add a progress bar when updating the sources? When updating from slower mirrors, sometimes the time to update is pretty long, and some might think that the application is frozen, having not seen any activity in a while. A progress bar would let the user know that the app is still alive. Not being critical - rpmdrake is my friend! :-) V.
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Friday 18 October 2002 21:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design However, why does it popup in the middle of the letter I am typing/game I am playing? Other apps do not do this, they pop up but do not grab focus. If you look at the app, the popup is there for you. When someone is installing something, it will download things and you have to wait a while. You will do something else in the meantime, and it can go flashing in the taskbar for all it wants, youI do not want it to grab focus and annoy you with silly messages ok. This can impossibly a good design:) It reminds me of directX on window, with that annoying windows will need to restart message, with only an OK button. And there is no way to get rid of the popup box without rebooting. (Well, gc, this is probably the biggest offence (ie reminds me of ms directx) for the new rpmdrake, so let me say I generally like it, but this could be improved) Danny Danny
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2002.10.18 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. I put that in my todo. It sounds reasonable, logical, and good for people using it like you. If there is no technical problem, I'll do it. An idea: the common dialog+progress bar could be integrated in a GtkStatusBar in the bottom of the window, and you get rid of the popup window most used allthe time. No, this is very different. We don't talk about rpmdrake itself here, but grpmi, the thing with the small window which does the download and actual install of packages. I don't think embedding grpmi into a statusbar of rpmdrake is a great idea. And an option something like '--unattended' would be nice: install what you can, if some pgk fails don't install it nor anything that depends on it. In the grpmi step, dependency is already calculated, so doing so would require pretty much many changes. So you can start the update, go back in 2 hours and see what happened (I know, urpmi supports something like this, but it requires to update _everything_, not just select a bunch of packages) -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Danny Tholen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 18 October 2002 21:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design However, why does it popup in the middle of the letter I am typing/game I am playing? Other apps do not do this, they pop up but do not grab focus. If you look at the app, the popup is there for you. Hum, I use icewm and I have galeon on a workspace. When I do whatever web request which timeouts while i'm back to my emacs workspace, it pops up on me. But I do agree your suggestion would be good of course.. if I knew what was the gtk option to do that. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] On a similar note (this may have been mentioned before).. would it be possible to add a retry button for the popup window that complains about ftp failing? Is VERY frustrating, when updating a dozen or so packages, and part Yep, adding that to my todo. way through this comes up. Being able to wait a few minutes and then retry the download may allow the update to continue if the problem is too many users on the mirror. Would have saved me over an hour today. I didn't know it would be so important for some sites. Change your site? :-) Also, how hard would it be to remember the state of the + and - boxes? That way when rpmdrake reloads the list of programs, the state is closer to what it was when the packages started downloading. The problem is that when it reloads, installed packages may have changed, so dependencies are potentially broken. I could do something but it would probably require some tricky stuff. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be possible to add a progress bar when updating the sources? When check the archives :). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not the greatest video game player in the world, but having these windows barge their way to the foreground all the time is definately not helping! And watching movies...what a great time to run an update, but no, rpmdrake will make you want to sit down and read a book instead. I would use urpmi, but hey, I dont like typing everything out all the time when --auto-select would update something I'm in the middle of using. Hum, I understand this is not very nice for you, but: 1. using messages inside the UI would mean a rather important design change 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design There are so many different ways to have the program behave that I have to ask for it to be changed. Why not use a wizard style interface (thus not telling me in a new window that everything worked)? That way it could ask about all the bad signatures at once at the end instead of halting the download until you come along to press, yes, install the thing anyway. I know, there's --no-verify-rpm, but I do want to know, but I'd like to be able to leave the room and come back when the downloads are done. Changing the UI to that extend is pretty intrusive I think. The current UI is supposed to be better than a wizard, especially the treeview and information views would not fit very well in a wizard in my opinion.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I think the treeview and the wizard could work together quite nicely, afterall it's just a form that has a basic set of operations: choose the programs to install - wait for them to download/copy - (check the gpg keys) - install them - return to the beginning. rpmdrake is not what should become a wizard...the actuall installer is what should become a wizard, no tree's here that i remember... you should be able to select the rpm's you want installed through rpmdrake like you currently do, but when you click the install button it then brings up the installer wizard much like the old rpmdrake and installer worked... http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_depend.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_descrip.jpg http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_progress.jpg a lot of that could be cut out now and simplified though probably. then, like the previous post said, wait to check the gpg sig's after all have been downloaded and display any errors. remember that the installer can be run outside of rpmdrake... like right clicking an rpm in konq. - open with - Software Installer. (which should be the default if just clicked but for me it opens in kpackage) currently this is what i get... http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/badsig1.png http://www.phatvibez.net/files/mandrake/images/rpminstall/depends.png this is what my intial email was about, you get two bad sig popups right in a row. 2. many apps use popup windows for questions/warnings/etc, they are generally considered as good UI design they are a good thing, but like any good thing too many is not -Brad
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On 2002.10.18 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. I put that in my todo. It sounds reasonable, logical, and good for people using it like you. If there is no technical problem, I'll do it. An idea: the common dialog+progress bar could be integrated in a GtkStatusBar in the bottom of the window, and you get rid of the popup window most used allthe time. And an option something like '--unattended' would be nice: install what you can, if some pgk fails don't install it nor anything that depends on it. So you can start the update, go back in 2 hours and see what happened (I know, urpmi supports something like this, but it requires to update _everything_, not just select a bunch of packages) -- J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Software is like sex: werewolf.able.es \ It's better when it's free Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Cooker) for i586 Linux 2.4.20-pre11-jam1 (gcc 3.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.0 3.2-2mdk))
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Friday 18 October 2002 16:08, J.A. Magallon wrote: On 2002.10.18 Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Elliott Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a slight side note, the fact that rpmdrake stops downloading while it waits for you to decide to continue given a bad or non-existent gpg key should definately be changed. The number of popups could be drastically reduced just by doing the gpg check at the end of the downloads, and could be placed in one dialog box with check boxes next to each package with a bad sig allowing you to choose which ones you still want to install, if any. I put that in my todo. It sounds reasonable, logical, and good for people using it like you. If there is no technical problem, I'll do it. An idea: the common dialog+progress bar could be integrated in a GtkStatusBar in the bottom of the window, and you get rid of the popup window most used allthe time. And an option something like '--unattended' would be nice: install what you can, if some pgk fails don't install it nor anything that depends on it. So you can start the update, go back in 2 hours and see what happened (I know, urpmi supports something like this, but it requires to update _everything_, not just select a bunch of packages) The only problem with having that sort of thing be changed by a command line option is that you really have to know what you're doing (open a console and run the command with a --help) to get to these options. I guess I just don't agree with having a graphical program have settings that can only be modified non-graphically, especially since if you run the program from the control center the command line options can't be altered. -Elliott
[Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I have put off writing this email for quite some time because of the flak I'm sure to get, but here goes. rpmdrake has been driving me nuts for months now because of one 'feature', that being the popup windows. I'm not the greatest video game player in the world, but having these windows barge their way to the foreground all the time is definately not helping! And watching movies...what a great time to run an update, but no, rpmdrake will make you want to sit down and read a book instead. I would use urpmi, but hey, I dont like typing everything out all the time when --auto-select would update something I'm in the middle of using. There are so many different ways to have the program behave that I have to ask for it to be changed. Why not use a wizard style interface (thus not telling me in a new window that everything worked)? That way it could ask about all the bad signatures at once at the end instead of halting the download until you come along to press, yes, install the thing anyway. I know, there's --no-verify-rpm, but I do want to know, but I'd like to be able to leave the room and come back when the downloads are done. anyway, i think I made my point clear enough -Elliott
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Thursday 17 October 2002 20:49, Elliott Martin wrote: I have put off writing this email for quite some time because of the flak I'm sure to get, but here goes. rpmdrake has been driving me nuts for months now because of one 'feature', that being the popup windows. [snip] There are so many different ways to have the program behave that I have to ask for it to be changed. Why not use a wizard style interface (thus not telling me in a new window that everything worked)? That way it could ask about all the bad signatures at once at the end instead of halting the download until you come along to press, yes, install the thing anyway. I know, there's --no-verify-rpm, but I do want to know, but I'd like to be able to leave the room and come back when the downloads are done. Full ACK. Another thing that annoys me about those popups: they seem not to set the appropriate window manager hints (WM_TRANSIAENT_FOR or what's it called) so that they will happily go to the background of rpmdrake's main window when clicking on the latter. So while you request those popups not to popup, I'd request that - if they do popup, I'd like a wizard approach as well - they please behave like modal windows should behave and keep staying in front of rpmdrake's main window (which does NOT mean stay in front of everything :-). Regards, -Malte
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
On Thursday 17 October 2002 20:59, Malte Starostik wrote: Full ACK. Another thing that annoys me about those popups: they seem not to set the appropriate window manager hints (WM_TRANSIAENT_FOR or what's it called) so that they will happily go to the background of rpmdrake's main window when clicking on the latter. Forgot to mention that I'm using KDE with focus follows mouse and auto-raise after 500 msec, so it doesn't even require an (accidental) click to get the popup behind the main window. Maybe that's why I noticed it at all :-) -Malte
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
I agree too, and why does it have to warn me twice in a row (two differnt popup windows that are almost identical) warning me about gpg or other things? what was wrong with the old rpminstaller http://www.phatvibez.net/images/mdk8_1/rpminst_progress.jpg something like this again I think would me much prefered. --Brad
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and its popup windows
You can either import the key... or rpmdrake -no-verify-rpm yes, i realize this...and that is what I do, but that's not the point -Brad
