Re: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-11 Thread Vadim Plessky

On Tuesday 10 April 2001 13:50, Mattias Dahlberg wrote:
|   > BTW: has somebody tried *new* G800?
|   > Does it give NVidia a run?
|
|   What!? There is no such thing as a G800 and no one knows if there ever
| gonna be. On the other hand it looks like Matrox will release a 'G550'.
|

Well, I got info about it (and that performance will be on pair with NVidia 
GeForce 2 series) last December (2000)
It was some kind on NDA.

May be, Matrox has problems with matching GeForce 2 performance, and they 
postponed release for G800?

Matrox, the only chance to survive you have is to OpenSource all 
parts of your drivers!  (including HAL lib)


|   Regards,
|   Mattias

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RE: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread Alan Olsen

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Perry wrote:

> Damm things still crippled!
> 
> from their (Matrox) own readme.txt:
> 
> This driver is based on the open source development being done within the
> XFree86 Project. The driver remains unmodified, with the exception of the
> HAL module, which is a closed source library used to enable features such as
> DualHead, TV out, and support for digital flat panel monitors.
> 
> In addition (also from their readme.txt):
> 
> Note: The TV out option is not supported by the G450. This feature is
> currently only supported by the G400. 
> 
> Not incredibly useful :-(

Due to the macrovision on/off code in that library, it will probably never
be open sourced.

But remember, it is for your own good!

> 
> Rgds:
> 
> Michael Perry.
> R&D. Dep. Netafim Magal.
> <<<>>>
> The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering iron, a
> manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   R.I.P. Deaddog [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Tue, April 10, 2001 11:58
> > To: Mandrake Cooker List
> > Subject:[Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd
> > 
> > 
> > Seen this news in linuxgames.com.
> > Is it an appropriate time to incorporate the new opensource'd driver into
> > XFree86 package?
> > 
> 
> 

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Re: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread Ed Wilts

On Tuesday 10 April 2001 12:18, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 April 2001 12:25, Mike Perry wrote:
> |   Damm things still crippled!
> |
> |   from their (Matrox) own readme.txt:
> |
> |   This driver is based on the open source development being done within
> | the XFree86 Project. The driver remains unmodified, with the exception of
> | the HAL module, which is a closed source library used to enable features
> | such as DualHead, TV out, and support for digital flat panel monitors.
>
> I am afraid this is some kind of misunderstanding.
> Matrox binary driver was always based on XFree86 driver.
> The only difference of Matrox binary from XFree86 was this HAL (Hardware
> Abstraction Layer) module.
> I don't see what was changed with this announcement.

>From my own personal experiences, there are more changes than what Matrox is 
claiming.  I have documented display problems with the XFree86 driver, yet if 
I copy over the mga_drv.o from Matrox's site, the display is correct.  So 
far, the problems have been limited to anti-aliased font display, but it's 
pretty darn obvious (screen shots available).

The XFree86 driver has gotten better, and at least it's now usable without 
anti-aliased fonts, but with AA turned on, your only option is to download 
and use the binary driver from Matrox. :-(

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Re: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread R.I.P. Deaddog

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Vadim Plessky wrote:

> On Tuesday 10 April 2001 12:25, Mike Perry wrote:
> |   This driver is based on the open source development being done within the
> |   XFree86 Project. The driver remains unmodified, with the exception of the
> |   HAL module, which is a closed source library used to enable features such
> | as DualHead, TV out, and support for digital flat panel monitors.
>
> I am afraid this is some kind of misunderstanding.
> Matrox binary driver was always based on XFree86 driver.
> The only difference of Matrox binary from XFree86 was this HAL (Hardware
> Abstraction Layer) module.
> I don't see what was changed with this announcement.
>
> Some people can call this Marketing Mess.

Oh hell, I was tricked by their "open source" announcement :(

But I don't have a G450 anyway :P

Abel Cheung





Re: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread Mattias Dahlberg

> BTW: has somebody tried *new* G800?
> Does it give NVidia a run?

What!? There is no such thing as a G800 and no one knows if there ever gonna
be. On the other hand it looks like Matrox will release a 'G550'.

Regards,
Mattias






Re: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread Vadim Plessky

On Tuesday 10 April 2001 12:25, Mike Perry wrote:
|   Damm things still crippled!
|
|   from their (Matrox) own readme.txt:
|
|   This driver is based on the open source development being done within the
|   XFree86 Project. The driver remains unmodified, with the exception of the
|   HAL module, which is a closed source library used to enable features such
| as DualHead, TV out, and support for digital flat panel monitors.
|

I am afraid this is some kind of misunderstanding.
Matrox binary driver was always based on XFree86 driver.
The only difference of Matrox binary from XFree86 was this HAL (Hardware 
Abstraction Layer) module.
I don't see what was changed with this announcement. 

Some people can call this Marketing Mess.

|   In addition (also from their readme.txt):
|
|   Note: The TV out option is not supported by the G450. This feature is
|   currently only supported by the G400.
|
|   Not incredibly useful :-(

Yep.
Especially as Matrox discontinued G400 and G200 in favour of G450.
(at least, that was their plans for March 2001, after CeBIT)

BTW: has somebody tried *new* G800?
Does it give NVidia a run?

|
|   Rgds:
|
|   Michael Perry.
|   R&D. Dep. Netafim Magal.
|
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RE: [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd

2001-04-10 Thread Mike Perry

Damm things still crippled!

from their (Matrox) own readme.txt:

This driver is based on the open source development being done within the
XFree86 Project. The driver remains unmodified, with the exception of the
HAL module, which is a closed source library used to enable features such as
DualHead, TV out, and support for digital flat panel monitors.

In addition (also from their readme.txt):

Note: The TV out option is not supported by the G450. This feature is
currently only supported by the G400. 

Not incredibly useful :-(

Rgds:

Michael Perry.
R&D. Dep. Netafim Magal.
<<<>>>
The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering iron, a
manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas.


> -Original Message-
> From: R.I.P. Deaddog [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tue, April 10, 2001 11:58
> To:   Mandrake Cooker List
> Subject:  [Cooker] Matrox G450 driver opensource'd
> 
> 
> Seen this news in linuxgames.com.
> Is it an appropriate time to incorporate the new opensource'd driver into
> XFree86 package?
>