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On Sunday 26 November 2000 14:52, Russell \"Elik\" Rademacher wrote: > Jeez Brian. > > Why you have to be so upbeat on the Sendmail? If you checked, Mandrake > preferred Postfix over the Sendmail for lot of reasons and used it as > default. Just because it's the default doesn't mean that they should deliver broken copies of the non-default packages. For example, I wouldn't expect Mandrake to deliver a broken Gnome, vim, joe, ntp4 or any other non-base package. Similarly I wouldn't expect RedHat to deliver a broken KDE. The sendmail bug sounds severe enough (barring configuration errors, and I'm not qualified to make that judgement) that the package should not be delivered as in a production release (cooker is a different matter altogether). > If you have problems with Sendmail, why not just compile a new > one for yourself and install it. It is not that hard to do it anyway, > since I used Sendmail, Qmail and Postfix and I liked the Qmail and Postfix > over Sendmail anyday. We don't need religious wars over which is better. For the original poster's system, sendmail may be the "better" package - neither you nor I can make that decision. > So just try and do that method and do it that way? Or get the Source > RPM version of Sendmail and check the specs and fix it before having it > built and compiled. > > That what most true administrators and linux gurus would do if the > released packaged RPM version is not 100% perfect. Now you're getting rude. Maybe "true administrators" would simply ignore the bugs and build their own package. That's a good way to make sure that it's still broken in the next release, and if you do that with enough packages, you'll eventually end up with a crappy distribution that has no added value. A GOOD administrator will do several things: - clearly document the bug - report the bug using formal bug reporting facilities, and do so politely - verify that the bug is fixed in a new release - report back to the developer that the bug is indeed fixed. Loud complaining about packages delivered in a cooker release doesn't do anybody any good. I EXPECT some packages to be broken, and I accept that. I've had my systems unbootable on several occasions, and I had no KDE (and hence no e-mail) for over a week. That's what cooker is all about. If Mandrake would do this to me with production releases, then I would complain and/or switch distributions. According to the changelog delivered with sendmail-8.11.1-3mdk.i586.rpm, this bug is supposed to be fixed. That said, if I've lost mail before because of a sendmail upgrade, I'd probably take extra steps to make sure that it doesn't happen again. After all, you don't know for SURE that setting the executable to suid is enough to fix the problem. I've also written code myself when I though I'd fixed a bug and it was still there. Ya just never know... The following is NOT a polite, formal bug report: > > > WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YA!! I lost about another dozen mail messages > > > again today becuase IT IS NOT FIXED!! Let's all remember we're working with people here, and people have feelings. We should also expect that no one intentionally does a bad job. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!! FIX THE SENDMAIL PACKAGERIGHT NOW!!I c
from the quill of Tristram Ellicott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on scroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear "YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!!" > If you fixed it yourself and contributed that fix, instead of having a > tantrum, you would no longer be a poor helpless demanding victim. > But then again, maybe that is what you prefer. > Hope that helps It is a single character fix in the %files section of a specfile. It is surely much more efficient for me to convey the issue than supply a new specfile (at minimum) that would need inspecting for differences against the current one. Thanx for your input though. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
Re: [Cooker] YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!! FIX THE SENDMAIL PACKAGERIGHT NOW!!I c
Dear "YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!!" If you fixed it yourself and contributed that fix, instead of having a tantrum, you would no longer be a poor helpless demanding victim. But then again, maybe that is what you prefer. Hope that helps
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> > WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YA!! I lost about another dozen mail messages again > > today becuase IT IS NOT FIXED!! > > It's just their gentle way of trying to convince you to switch to Posrfix... > Should not force anyone to use any MTA just because you or someone else likes it! -John
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from the quill of "Brian J. Murrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on scroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In fact the last time I complained about it I got this reply > back. > > > [ message from Chmouel snipped ] There was more to this message but it got lost somehow. It's not worth repeating though. I think you get the gist of my annoyance. I did mention that I will go check out Postfix. ~sigh~ I still want to see Sendmail fixed though. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
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from the quill of Armisis Aieoln <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on scroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Exactly... postfix is much better. O. So we are going to start a religeous war over MTAs now? Please let's not. > Not to mention, why the so demading talk??? Why? How about because this is not the first time I have lost mail due to this problem. It's not the first time I complained about it here either. In fact the last time I complained about it I got this reply back. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] #$%@#% sendmail-8.11.1-2mdk package!! From: Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 13 Nov 2000 18:23:01 -0800 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian J. Murrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I lost a bunch of mails this morning! Why? Because the exact same > problem I complained about the last time sendmail was updated happened > again. > > PLEASE FIX THIS!! > > The sendmail binary that gets installed is incapable of writing into the > spool (/var/spool/mqueue) directory when executed as a non-privilleged > user. Somebody please look at the "make install" for sendmail and make > sure that whatever permissions it wants to set on the senamail binary > actually make into the package. ok gonna to fix this, sendmail was not suid which is good for security but not in our case :p -- Brian J. Murrell
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On Sunday 26 November 2000 20:52, you wrote: > Jeez Brian. > > Why you have to be so upbeat on the Sendmail? If you checked, Mandrake > preferred Postfix over the Sendmail for lot of reasons and used it as > default. If you have problems with Sendmail, why not just compile a new > one for yourself and install it. It is not that hard to do it anyway, > since I used Sendmail, Qmail and Postfix and I liked the Qmail and Postfix > over Sendmail anyday. Exactly... postfix is much better. Not to mention, why the so demading talk??? how rude. dave > > So just try and do that method and do it that way? Or get the Source > RPM version of Sendmail and check the specs and fix it before having it > built and compiled. > > That what most true administrators and linux gurus would do if the > released packaged RPM version is not 100% perfect. > > -- > Linux Administrator & Consultant > Russell "Elik" Rademacher > > > > WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YA!! I lost about another dozen mail messages > > > again today becuase IT IS NOT FIXED!! > > > > It's just their gentle way of trying to convince you to switch to > > Posrfix... > > > > Harry > > >1stUp.com - Free the Web >Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Linux - Cause I dont do windows or ovens! [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Registered System: 83659
RE: [Cooker] YOU DID IT TO ME AGAIN!! FIX THE SENDMAIL PACKAGERIGHT NOW!!I c
Jeez Brian. Why you have to be so upbeat on the Sendmail? If you checked, Mandrake preferred Postfix over the Sendmail for lot of reasons and used it as default. If you have problems with Sendmail, why not just compile a new one for yourself and install it. It is not that hard to do it anyway, since I used Sendmail, Qmail and Postfix and I liked the Qmail and Postfix over Sendmail anyday. So just try and do that method and do it that way? Or get the Source RPM version of Sendmail and check the specs and fix it before having it built and compiled. That what most true administrators and linux gurus would do if the released packaged RPM version is not 100% perfect. -- Linux Administrator & Consultant Russell "Elik" Rademacher > > WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YA!! I lost about another dozen mail messages again > > today becuase IT IS NOT FIXED!! > > It's just their gentle way of trying to convince you to switch to > Posrfix... > > Harry 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com
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on 11/24/00 2:44 PM, Brian J. Murrell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YA!! I lost about another dozen mail messages again > today becuase IT IS NOT FIXED!! It's just their gentle way of trying to convince you to switch to Posrfix... Harry
