RE: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken

2002-10-29 Thread Mcleod, Ian
sorry my mistake - you people are referring to unstable packages - anything
released for a stable Mandrake release should be 'stable' too..

> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Williamson [mailto:aw280@;cam.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 22:49, Mcleod, Ian wrote:
> > so what is the 'official' status of what kernel we should 
> be using for
> > Mandrake 9.0?  I normally just install the latest RPM 
> kernel build from the
> > Mandrake mirrors and it works fine...
> 
> Err...for 9.0 you should use the 9.0 kernel. This mailing list is for
> Cooker, not 9.0. For 9.0, just as for any stable release, and for the
> kernel package, just as for any other package, use the stock 
> package, or
> a package from the 9.0 update source, if it's updated for some reason.
> DON'T use Cooker packages. Cooker packages are for Cooker, 
> this applies
> to the kernel as much as anything else...
> -- 
> adamw
> 
> 




RE: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken

2002-10-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 22:49, Mcleod, Ian wrote:
> so what is the 'official' status of what kernel we should be using for
> Mandrake 9.0?  I normally just install the latest RPM kernel build from the
> Mandrake mirrors and it works fine...

Err...for 9.0 you should use the 9.0 kernel. This mailing list is for
Cooker, not 9.0. For 9.0, just as for any stable release, and for the
kernel package, just as for any other package, use the stock package, or
a package from the 9.0 update source, if it's updated for some reason.
DON'T use Cooker packages. Cooker packages are for Cooker, this applies
to the kernel as much as anything else...
-- 
adamw





RE: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken

2002-10-29 Thread Mcleod, Ian
so what is the 'official' status of what kernel we should be using for
Mandrake 9.0?  I normally just install the latest RPM kernel build from the
Mandrake mirrors and it works fine...

> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Williamson [mailto:aw280@;cam.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:50 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definately broken
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 20:08, Mario Vazquez wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Mine is a Dell Latitude CPi, and double check and it's not 
> working when 
> > using kernel 2.4.19-17
> 
> First, define "not working".
> 
> The difference between -16mdk and -17mdk is that -17mdk uses ACPI by
> default. There could be several reasons for your problem.
> 
> Most likely, your laptop doesn't support ACPI. Easy; edit your
> bootloader's config (/etc/lilo.conf if you use lilo) and add 
> "acpi=off"
> to the boot options. Now you'll go back to using APM, the older system
> that -16mdk and earlier kernels use.
> 
> But also, you could think it's not working because you're using some
> kind of utility that only supports APM power management...try 
> with some
> ACPI tools before deciding for sure it doesn't work.
> -- 
> adamw
> 
> 




Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken

2002-10-28 Thread Gary Lawrence Murphy
> "I" == Ian Mcleod  writes:

I> uuurrrggghhh I am yet to successfully compile anything let
I> alone a kernel..  I have been using Linux for years and I still
I> don't understand this really basic stuff..  Quite shameful I
I> know..

Not at all: Compiling the kernel is not for the squeamish -- if you
go to kernelbook.sourceforge.net, you can download my old guide for
compiling the 2.2 kernel -- for all it's advances, the 2.4 kernel
is pretty much the exact same process, only now there are hundreds
of options.  Basically, if an option doesn't make sense, make it
a module ;)

There is one very important difference, and others may correct me
on this, but here's my brute-force sequence for actually installing
a new kernel under Mandrake 9.0:

  - get the kernel tarball from ftp.tux.org and unpack in /usr/src

  - symlink linux-2.4.19 to /usr/src/linux

  - take my .config from that previous message and put it into linux

  - "make oldconfig"

  - "make xconfig" and check every form for any obvious errors or
omissions, especially for filesystem and network support

  - "make bzImage modules dep clean"

  - create a temp dir "mkdir ~/tmpboot"

  - "INSTALL_PATH=~/tmpboot INSTALL_MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules make bzlilo 
modules_install"

  - go have a nice dinner, a bath, watch some TV...

  - "mv ~/tmpboot/System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.19"

  - "mv ~/tmpboot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19"

  - run "drakboot" and add the new vmlinux-2.4.19 to the bootloader

reboot, and if it's better, go back to drakboot and set it as the
default kernel; if it's worse, try to figure out from the dmesg
listings what was missing or reconfigured and go through it all
again.

it's less painful than a root canal, and more fun than detention.

-- 
Gary Lawrence Murphy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - TeleDynamics Communications
   - blog: http://www.teledyn.com/mt/ - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -
  "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Picasso)




RE: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken

2002-10-28 Thread Mcleod, Ian
uuurrrggghhh I am yet to successfully compile anything let alone a kernel..
I have been using Linux for years and I still don't understand this really
basic stuff..  Quite shameful I know..

> -Original Message-
> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy [mailto:garym@;canada.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:17 PM
> To: Mcleod, Ian
> Cc: Mandrake Cooker
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.19-17 is definitely broken
> 
> 
> >>>>> "I" == Ian Mcleod  writes:
> 
> I> I am using the stock standard Mandrake 9.0 kernel - I have lost
> I> XMMS sound (could be unrelated though) - are we advised to
> I> upgarde our kernel?
> 
> I tried to upgrade, but it didn't help.  I had to use the tux.org
> kernel.
> 
> I> BTW - when will the wlan-ng (as opposed to wlan_cs) wireless
> I> kernel drivers be included by default?
> 
> Good point.  There again, I go fetch the sources, and since building
> them requires you to build your kernel as well (and build pcmcia from
> new sources) you might as well do it all in one tedious batch.
> 
> -- 
> Gary Lawrence Murphy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - TeleDynamics Communications
>- blog: http://www.teledyn.com/mt/ - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -
>   "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Picasso)
>