Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Who's in charge of mirror at mandrakesoft ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] as shown on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3 Please Cc: to the mirrors@ address when reporting problems with mirrors. Thanks. Jean-loup
RE: [Cooker] Content of mirors
While we are on the subject of messed up mirrors, Cadvision (ftp.cadvision.com) is listed on the cooker mirrors page, but their mirror of broken. It looks like it failed to finish mirroring on Jan 30th, and no one has started it back up again and fixed it. I've tried emailing them but got no response (and mirroring from them, with their server center being 20 blocks from my home, would be far more efficient than pulling from anywhere else). Does anyone else have a contact there they could talk to and get this fixed? And incidentally, the Cooker page says Cadvision is in the U.S. It isn't. It is located in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. But now I'm just being patriotic. ;-) Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Guillaume Rousse Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Content of mirors Who's in charge of mirror at mandrakesoft ? How is it possible that some mirrors, as rsync.proxad.net, have more content than primary mirrors (sunsite.uoi.no or sunet.se) ? They have sparc alpha packages, for instance. -- Guillaume Rousse Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Hiya, Just wanna let you know that the mirror @ University of Alberta is brain-damaged since the FTP doesn't support resume. I'm in Edmonton, by the way. Wanna go for coffee? Prana Eaon wrote: Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? -- Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x33343FD3
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Just because it's close (physically)(sic) to you does not indicate how close it actually is in internet topography, try a traceroute to the LOWEST/FASTEST path! Eaon wrote: While we are on the subject of messed up mirrors, Cadvision (ftp.cadvision.com) is listed on the cooker mirrors page, but their mirror of broken. It looks like it failed to finish mirroring on Jan 30th, and no one has started it back up again and fixed it. I've tried emailing them but got no response (and mirroring from them, with their server center being 20 blocks from my home, would be far more efficient than pulling from anywhere else). Does anyone else have a contact there they could talk to and get this fixed? And incidentally, the Cooker page says Cadvision is in the U.S. It isn't. It is located in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. But now I'm just being patriotic. ;-) Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Guillaume Rousse Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Content of mirors Who's in charge of mirror at mandrakesoft ? How is it possible that some mirrors, as rsync.proxad.net, have more content than primary mirrors (sunsite.uoi.no or sunet.se) ? They have sparc alpha packages, for instance. -- Guillaume Rousse Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist.
RE: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Forget all the fancy topology junk, I just mirrored off it one night, and was pulling upwards of 700K/s. That's getting close to topping out the max speed of my cable modem. What more evidence do I need than that? Besides, just take a wild guess, what is going to be closer, topology-wise, to me, a mirror in the same city as me, or one on the other side of the Atlantic (and continent, since Alberta is on the west side of North America)? Can you give any example when it would be a shorter route to cross the planet than to go down the block? I wasn't just guessing about how good it was before I said something, I have been known on occasion to research (what little I had to do) what I say before I say it. Unfortunately it wasn't until the mirror was "done", i.e. downloaded all that it could, that I found out that the thing was broken. It goes as far as xearth (IIRC) in the Mandrake/RPMS directory, and everything alphabetically beyond that is not there (I checked against another mirror (ciril.fr) that I knew was good). images and boot directories are empty too. Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JJ Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors Just because it's close (physically)(sic) to you does not indicate how close it actually is in internet topography, try a traceroute to the LOWEST/FASTEST path! Eaon wrote: While we are on the subject of messed up mirrors, Cadvision (ftp.cadvision.com) is listed on the cooker mirrors page, but their mirror of broken. It looks like it failed to finish mirroring on Jan 30th, and no one has started it back up again and fixed it. I've tried emailing them but got no response (and mirroring from them, with their server center being 20 blocks from my home, would be far more efficient than pulling from anywhere else). Does anyone else have a contact there they could talk to and get this fixed? And incidentally, the Cooker page says Cadvision is in the U.S. It isn't. It is located in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. But now I'm just being patriotic. ;-) Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Guillaume Rousse Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Content of mirors Who's in charge of mirror at mandrakesoft ? How is it possible that some mirrors, as rsync.proxad.net, have more content than primary mirrors (sunsite.uoi.no or sunet.se) ? They have sparc alpha packages, for instance. -- Guillaume Rousse Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist.
RE: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Ahh, you obviously haven't read all the complaints on Slashdot from Aussies :) There was one guy who did a traceroute on his neighbor and the packet was going all the way to New York before coming back! It all depends on which other ISPs your ISP is peering with at the NAP(?). On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Eaon wrote: Forget all the fancy topology junk, I just mirrored off it one night, and was pulling upwards of 700K/s. That's getting close to topping out the max speed of my cable modem. What more evidence do I need than that? Besides, just take a wild guess, what is going to be closer, topology-wise, to me, a mirror in the same city as me, or one on the other side of the Atlantic (and continent, since Alberta is on the west side of North America)? Can you give any example when it would be a shorter route to cross the planet than to go down the block? I wasn't just guessing about how good it was before I said something, I have been known on occasion to research (what little I had to do) what I say before I say it. Unfortunately it wasn't until the mirror was "done", i.e. downloaded all that it could, that I found out that the thing was broken. It goes as far as xearth (IIRC) in the Mandrake/RPMS directory, and everything alphabetically beyond that is not there (I checked against another mirror (ciril.fr) that I knew was good). images and boot directories are empty too. Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JJ Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors Just because it's close (physically)(sic) to you does not indicate how close it actually is in internet topography, try a traceroute to the LOWEST/FASTEST path! Eaon wrote: While we are on the subject of messed up mirrors, Cadvision (ftp.cadvision.com) is listed on the cooker mirrors page, but their mirror of broken. It looks like it failed to finish mirroring on Jan 30th, and no one has started it back up again and fixed it. I've tried emailing them but got no response (and mirroring from them, with their server center being 20 blocks from my home, would be far more efficient than pulling from anywhere else). Does anyone else have a contact there they could talk to and get this fixed? And incidentally, the Cooker page says Cadvision is in the U.S. It isn't. It is located in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. But now I'm just being patriotic. ;-) Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? Eaon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Guillaume Rousse Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] Content of mirors Who's in charge of mirror at mandrakesoft ? How is it possible that some mirrors, as rsync.proxad.net, have more content than primary mirrors (sunsite.uoi.no or sunet.se) ? They have sparc alpha packages, for instance. -- Guillaume Rousse Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
um.. well, i get data rates of like 45-65 k/ sec on my cable modem from ftp.ciril.fr in France, and like 7k / sec from rpmfind in Boston. Boston is MUCH closer. V. Eaon wrote: Besides, just take a wild guess, what is going to be closer, topology-wise, to me, a mirror in the same city as me, or one on the other side of the Atlantic (and continent, since Alberta is on the west side of North America)? Can you give any example when it would be a shorter route to cross the planet than to go down the block?
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
On Fri Mar 23, 2001 at 02:14:28PM -0700, Prana wrote: Hiya, Just wanna let you know that the mirror @ University of Alberta is brain-damaged since the FTP doesn't support resume. I'm in Edmonton, by the way. Wanna go for coffee? Prana Eaon wrote: Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? Yup, I've asked (which is why the updates got on there, and the last stable also, I think). Unfortunately, they didn't really respond when I asked them about cooker, so maybe if a few others (ie. you and Prana) were to ask, then maybe we could get it on there. I'll see if I can find out who runs the mirror site (I forget off the top of my head) to see if it's a possibility. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD - Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org - MandrakeSoft, Inc. Security www.linux-mandrake.com Current Linux kernel 2.4.2-13mdk uptime: 4 days 0 hours 21 minutes. PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Touche, ya got me. :-) But Cadvision is a very low traffic site compared to rpmfind.net (I suppose living here I would know that. They're a local ISP that just happens to be owned by PSINet so they have a big, fat pipe out to the world). And for the amusement of all, I did do a traceroute to Cadvision. 9 hops, none taking longer than 60 ms, and all but two reconizably within the city of Calgary (the two in question didn't give me a name, just an IP, so I can't be sure where they are). It takes 20 hops to get to ciril.fr, with times up to 400 ms Those poor Aussies. New York. Someone was out of their mind. :-P Eaon On 23 Mar 2001 17:10:44 -0600, Vincent Meyer wrote: um.. well, i get data rates of like 45-65 k/ sec on my cable modem from ftp.ciril.fr in France, and like 7k / sec from rpmfind in Boston. Boston is MUCH closer. V. Eaon wrote: Besides, just take a wild guess, what is going to be closer, topology-wise, to me, a mirror in the same city as me, or one on the other side of the Atlantic (and continent, since Alberta is on the west side of North America)? Can you give any example when it would be a shorter route to cross the planet than to go down the block?
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Ya, they run their site on SunOS, which is pretty odd for a place so in love with OpenBSD. None of which is Linux. Bad them. ;-) I've never really cared if a download dies, since I get nice speed of them so I just restart. But if you were further away or had a bad line that would be a problem. Coffee sounds great. Drop me a line. :-) Eaon On 23 Mar 2001 14:14:28 -0700, Prana wrote: Hiya, Just wanna let you know that the mirror @ University of Alberta is brain-damaged since the FTP doesn't support resume. I'm in Edmonton, by the way. Wanna go for coffee? Prana Eaon wrote: Otherwise, the University of Alberta (in Edmonton, 300 KMs north of Calgary) has a big, fat sunsite mirror and a big, fat pipe, but no mandrake-devel (7.2 and iso's, yes, devel, no). Has anyone considered asking them if they would add cooker to their site? -- Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x33343FD3
Re: Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Those poor Aussies. New York. Someone was out of their mind. :-P Yes that's right. My brother gets files from my machine via Los Angeles... even though we're both 5 mins away from each other in Melbourne, Australia! :( __ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au
Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:43:02 +1000 Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those poor Aussies. New York. Someone was out of their mind. :-P Yes that's right. My brother gets files from my machine via Los Angeles... even though we're both 5 mins away from each other in Melbourne, Australia! :( It isn't the distance that counts so much as the server. I get better results from mirrors in the UK than from some that are only a few hundred miles distant. -- Collins Richey Denver Area
Re: Re: [Cooker] Content of mirors
Original message from: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:43:02 +1000 Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those poor Aussies. New York. Someone was out of their mind. :-P Yes that's right. My brother gets files from my machine via Los Angeles... even though we're both 5 mins away from each other in Melbourne, Australia! :( It isn't the distance that counts so much as the server. I get better results from mirrors in the UK than from some that are only a few hundred miles distant. I don't doubt that but the bandwidth between my machine and my brothers can be made ten times larger by simply downloading ten things concurrently from my machine. __ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au
