Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *read* postings on this list?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Armisis Aieoln wrote: thats messed up If i were you I would find a src version and recompile it and upload it to cooker... I already have a rpm-package build for my Mandrake distro but I don't want to upload it because I don't know how to sign it. ;-) (Er... I have a pgp key but I first have to read the gnupg docs... ;-) ) Maybe I can upload the spec file. - Microsoft gives you Windows, UNIX gives you the whole house. Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
RE: [Cooker] Does anyone *read* postings on this list?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Armisis Aieoln wrote: thats messed up If i were you I would find a src version and recompile it and upload it to cooker... I already have a rpm-package build for my Mandrake distro but I don't want to upload it because I don't know how to sign it. ;-) (Er... I have a pgp key but I first have to read the gnupg docs... ;-) ) Maybe I can upload the spec file. upload the src rpm and send a mail to cooker (no attach here pls, not everyone has a high speed link here) rpm -ba --sign --clean --rmsource foo.spec should work this builds bin and src with sign, cleans BUILD and remove the stale src - Microsoft gives you Windows, UNIX gives you the whole house. Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Hmmm, Well, I usually get it off the contributed software CD from a PowerPack. It hasn't changed versions in a while, so it is unlikely to be found on a list or a directory where the newest and best is being packaged for testing and consumption. But I still have a MANDRAKE rpm of netatalk from my 6.1 Powerpack--probably the most recent. As to why I didn't respond--figured everyone else would, and U don't like to be the one who points out the obvious. Civileme Has L-M discontinued it? I didn't answer because On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Yes, postings get read, by you by me, by people really contributing software as well as testing it, and by real Mandrakesoft employees as well. However, postings about needs for help--not bugs with new packages, get a heck of a lot better response on the "expert" list. This list is about debugging new software, mostly, and there are many here too polite to point out that finding a package or getting install help is a bit off-topic. Please do join the expert list and ask the same questions there. I believe you will find the response friendly and helpful. But on none of these lists does anyone have a right to an answer. If you ask a question I cannot answer and I have time to do the research and I am in the mood to learn something new, I may expend a lot of effort. OTOH if it is something where I have never worked before and I would have to learn a whole new body of knowledge (like configuring Squid when I don't even write HTML, for example), chances are I will pass your question by. Also I don't like to give sharp replies, say 'Read The Fine Material available', or point out the obvious. There are plenty of people to do that. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Civileme wrote: Well, I usually get it off the contributed software CD from a PowerPack. It hasn't changed versions in a while, so it is unlikely to be found on a list or a directory where the newest and best is being packaged for testing and consumption. But I still have a MANDRAKE rpm of netatalk from my 6.1 Powerpack--probably the most recent. Yes, there was no change for a long time (see rpmfind.net). Finally this was an answer to my question: netatalk was/is put on one Mandrake CD. And therefore there are no licensing pbs or anything else. :-) (Or do you spoke of a RedHat Powerpack CD?) As to why I didn't respond--figured everyone else would, and U don't like to be the one who points out the obvious. Obvious? Hmmm... Pixel wrote that he doesn't know why it is *not* included... ;-) Nevertheless there is no "official" netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 package (the current one) listed on rpmfind.net. Civileme Has L-M discontinued it? Or just forgotten... ;-) Ah... yeah... seems that they also forgot fvwm95-2.0.43[ab]... ;-) - The programmer to his son: "Here, I brought you a new basketball." "Thank you, daddy, but where is the user's guide?" Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Civileme wrote: Yes, postings get read, by you by me, by people really contributing software as well as testing it, and by real Mandrakesoft employees as well. In Germany we call this a "rhetorical question" of which an answer is actually obvious or doesn't need to be given. ;-) However, postings about needs for help--not bugs with new packages, get a heck of a lot better response on the "expert" list. This list is about debugging new software, mostly, and there are many here too polite to point out that finding a package or getting install help is a bit off-topic. From linux-mandrake.com: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] is used to test the cooker of the new distribution and to report and discuss any bug and feature of the next Linux-Mandrake" I wanted to "discuss" a "feature" of the next Linux-Mandrake. Therefore it doesn't seem to be the completely wrong list. But this thread (and this posting ;-) ) is gonna be off-topic so I will shut up immediately. Please do join the expert list and ask the same questions there. I believe you will find the response friendly and helpful. But on none of these lists does anyone have a right to an answer. If you ask a question I cannot answer and I have time to do the research and I am in the mood to learn something new, I may expend a lot of effort. OTOH if it is something where I have never worked before and I would have to learn a whole new body of knowledge (like configuring Squid when I don't even write HTML, for example), chances are I will pass your question by. Also I don't like to give sharp replies, say 'Read The Fine Material available', or point out the obvious. There are plenty of people to do that. - Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
It is the most user friendly Linux distro. But. who cares if netatalk isn't included? Hell, I've never used it. I consider myself a power user and, for myself anyways, the lack of it hasn't hampered me in the slightest. For that matter I don't know what the hell it is. Obviously has no relevence to the user friendliness or the power that comes stock with Linux Mandrake. If a user ever feels absolutely devastated by not having it there is nothing stopping them from installing it themselves. So they have to take 10 precious minutes out of there life. Life can be tough sometimes. Perhaps you should focus on the more important things in Linux life, rather than exclusion of a totally unnecessary package to the every-day-operational-use of Linux Mandrake. -Chris On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Necrotica wrote: It is the most user friendly Linux distro. Of course it is. Please read *between* my lines. ;-) But. who cares if netatalk isn't included? Hell, I've never used it. I consider myself a power user and, for myself anyways, the lack of it hasn't hampered me in the slightest. For that matter I don't know what the hell it is. Obviously has no relevence to the user friendliness or the power that comes stock with Linux Mandrake. I just wanted to compare the user-friendlyness of MacOS and the user-friendlyness of Mandrake which doesn't offer services for MacOS (netatalk) but for Windoze and Novell. If a user ever feels absolutely devastated by not having it there is nothing stopping them from installing it themselves. So they have to take 10 precious minutes out of there life. Life can be tough sometimes. Of course I have built my own rpms, but *I* have to watch for updates for every rpm of my own which is not included in the distribution. If I make a new install Mandrake then I doesn't need to watch out for new versions because the rpms are already up to date. Maybe you should read my posting again: I was asking *why* netatalk is not included in Linux Mandrake! (Licensing pbs? Insecure? Or what?) Perhaps you should focus on the more important things in Linux life, rather than exclusion of a totally unnecessary package to the every-day-operational-use of Linux Mandrake. If you feel it "totally unnecessary" that Mandrake only offers services for Windoze and Novell but not for MacOS, then *this* job will be done by other distros and *this* market (services for MacOS clients) is maybe totally lost for Mandrake which is in all other points a very good distro. And, please, don't make the mistake and think that netatalk is "totally unnecessary"... it's just *your* humble opinion! regards, Frank On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer - "Yes Virginia, you *can* run vi under NT..." (Pete Jordan about Cygwin32, GNU programs/compiler under Win) Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Sorry I cant help you, but I do agree, about not getting any sort of reply from anyone conserning most of my postings is netatalk in the contribs??? dave On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= LINUX - Why? Cause I dont do windows -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Armisis Aieoln wrote: Sorry I cant help you, but I do agree, about not getting any sort of reply from anyone conserning most of my postings is netatalk in the contribs??? No. dave On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= LINUX - Why? Cause I dont do windows -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Warum werden die Frauen seit Jahrhunderten unterdrueckt? Weil es sich bewaehrt hat! Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
Re: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Armisis Aieoln wrote: Sorry I cant help you, but I do agree, about not getting any sort of reply from anyone conserning most of my postings is netatalk in the contribs??? No. dave On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, you wrote: I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really glad if someone will answer my question. Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's (as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly MacOS, but... ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know which doesn't include netatalk! IMHO this is a bad reputation... BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. regards, Frank Meurer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= LINUX - Why? Cause I dont do windows -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Warum werden die Frauen seit Jahrhunderten unterdrueckt? Weil es sich bewaehrt hat! Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
RE: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list?
Not to sound flippant... but maybe no one is answering because the question is not "interesting" or makes sense... Since this is a primarily a volunteer list, you should assume that there is a reason you are not getting answered... which may include (not that this pertains to you specifically). a) You should do a bit more homework yourself b) You should reword your question c) You should reword your requests and drop any "attitude", people here don't have to help you. d) You should read the manual and post a specific question to a problem e) You should not post general questions like "how do I set up my server". This type of question indicates that you have not RTFM. Etc. Recently someone posted a "posting" guideline for newbies. I wish I had saved a copy since it succinctly addressed why people were not getting responses. Re: Netatalk. Eh, it's downloadable; it's easily obtainable, not everyone wants it. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: Frank Meurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 10:57 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [Cooker] Does anyone *READ* postings on this list? | | | |I'm asking this now the third time and I would be really, really |glad if someone will answer my question. | |Linux Mandrake claims to be one of the most user-friendly OS's |(as a Linux OS) and this is a relation to the user-friendly |MacOS, but... | | | ... why is the netatalk package not included in Linux Mandrake? | | |Linux Mandrake is therefore the *only* distribution *I* know |which doesn't include netatalk! |IMHO this is a bad reputation... | |BTW: I'm using Mandrake since 5.0 and 7.1 is very nice. | | |regards, |Frank Meurer |
