Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 03:17:41PM -0500, Hoyt wrote: > I suppose Mandrake just might impact program development efforts. It > continues to build market share and attract interest so it follows that its > decisions could affect development. market share != authors caring what you think. I'm sure you can find lots of projects that don't care what any of the distributions think or for that matter if they include their software. You're presuming way too much. Furthermore, if the author disagreed with that change so much as to write the FAQ the way he did then it's unlikely he'll change it for you, Mandrake, RedHat or anyone else no matter what market share they have. Case in point Microsoft has a lot of market share. Somehow I'd suspect the people who wrote that FAQ wouldn't listen to them either. > None of which I care for after trying them. Linux shouldn't be about being > forced to use what you don't want. Nobody is forcing you to use anything. You're chosing to use KMail and bitching because you don't like the way it is. Don't confuse the two. > And I can see the point, but that still doesn't excuse the offensive nature > of the FAQ. Perhaps the FAQ author should put more effort into education if > he's so convinced he's right. Complain to that party. Though it's unlikely to yield any results. None of us here wrote the FAQ. You do realize you are making a big deal out of 4 characters? That are very useful to the rest of us... -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
On Sunday 03 March 2002 06:17 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:45:43 -0500 Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Re: Those two dashes above the sig . . . > > > > "6.9 My signature has two dashes above it. This makes me very sad." > > The purpose of the "dash, dash, space" goes back quite some time and is > described in RFC 2646, which states: I'm aware of that. I supposed I was more annoyed by the tenor of the FAQ; it could be better written. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com
Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
* Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020303 17:04]: > While the FAQ entry might be amusing, it's not very professional. > > Why don't we remove the dashes by default until the authors make it a > configurable option giving the user the choice? If you _like_ the dashes (and > the FAQ author appears to like them so much, in fact, that he will gleefully > force you to use them), they can easily be added to the sig file. I applaud the author of KMail for supporting this standard, and I would encourage all mail user agents to support it. I use Mutt, for example, and it REALLY helps when you have a lot of email to read, that the signature can be made a lower contrast. If you KNOW the sender, you probably already know what's in the signature, and if you are reading a mailing list, I usually don't care much about the signature unless I particularly like or dislike the posting, or maybe if I have extra time to spare. It's one of that class of conveniences that is not for the sender, but the recipient. Honor the author's decision and keep it in. -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com & linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, SQL, Perl, HTML
Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
On Sunday 03 March 2002 05:29 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 01:45:43PM -0500, Hoyt wrote: > > Why don't we remove the dashes by default until the authors make it a > > configurable option giving the user the choice? If you _like_ the dashes > > (and the FAQ author appears to like them so much, in fact, that he will > > gleefully force you to use them), they can easily be added to the sig > > file. > > Why don't you just quit using Kmail if it bugs you so much? That's an overly simplistic response. > I seriously doubt that Mandrake patching the application is going to change > the attitude of the author. > I suppose Mandrake just might impact program development efforts. It continues to build market share and attract interest so it follows that its decisions could affect development. > And it's not like you don't have a choice. Mandrake ships with what 6 > email clients at least? None of which I care for after trying them. Linux shouldn't be about being forced to use what you don't want. And I suppose one could argue that there is a choice after all; I hope the author at least made is easy to patch the source code. 8) However, there are some valid points to be made for the two dashes. Look at http://lists.kde.org/?l=kmail&m=99189988725626&w=2 And I can see the point, but that still doesn't excuse the offensive nature of the FAQ. Perhaps the FAQ author should put more effort into education if he's so convinced he's right. It seems to me that if there were enough complaints to put it in the FAQ, there is some desire for it to be an option. With the dashed -removed- by default, one only needs to put them in their sig if it is desired. It could pop up by default in the sig editing window (with the capability to be erased) and that's fine.That's a lot easier that patching the source code and recompiling.That's all I'm asking. -- Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:45:43 -0500 Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: Those two dashes above the sig . . . > > "6.9 My signature has two dashes above it. This makes me very sad." The purpose of the "dash, dash, space" goes back quite some time and is described in RFC 2646, which states: 4.3. Usenet Signature Convention There is a convention in Usenet news of using "-- " as the separator line between the body and the signature of a message. When generating a Format=Flowed message containing a Usenet-style separator before the signature, the separator line is sent as-is. This is a special case; an (optionally quoted) line consisting of DASH DASH SP is not considered flowed. While this list is not part of Usenet, most mailing lists conform to this convention... HTH, Pierre
Re: [Cooker] Feature Request - KMail re: Those two dashes above the sig . . .
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 01:45:43PM -0500, Hoyt wrote: > Why don't we remove the dashes by default until the authors make it a > configurable option giving the user the choice? If you _like_ the dashes (and > the FAQ author appears to like them so much, in fact, that he will gleefully > force you to use them), they can easily be added to the sig file. Why don't you just quit using Kmail if it bugs you so much? I seriously doubt that Mandrake patching the application is going to change the attitude of the author. And it's not like you don't have a choice. Mandrake ships with what 6 email clients at least? -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
