Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
Steve Fox wrote: On 08 Mar 2001 14:10:09 -0800, r j wrote: I would like to see JFS too since it is an Open Source project( http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ ) and part of the Linux Technology Center(LTC). (What is LTC?: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-03/lw-03-vcontrol_1.html ) You do not want JFS yet. Even the developers say it is not ready for casual use. If they bring JFS up to the same level as it is on AIX I'll take it. As far as I'm concerned it's the best one out there. -randy
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Michèl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Eugenio Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ok, anyone that wants XFS in cooker raise your han..er keys! Several months ago we were asked what we wanted in cooker ... well, I want enterprise features, specifically XFS! Me :) Wonder if this process should be formalised, like having a top-10 most-wanted list... In case you did not know, it _was_ in the www.mandrakeforum.com, a couple of times. The last was only ~ a week ago. You should post there too. Civileme started the forum post( BETA 8.0 Advice ). If XFS has LOTS of comments, it will be apparant that it is desired. It is _not_ there now, which is not good if you folks really want it. I would like to see JFS too since it is an Open Source project( http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ ) and part of the Linux Technology Center(LTC). (What is LTC?: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-03/lw-03-vcontrol_1.html ) . Regards, rj === Michel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
On 08 Mar 2001 14:10:09 -0800, r j wrote: I would like to see JFS too since it is an Open Source project( http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ ) and part of the Linux Technology Center(LTC). (What is LTC?: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-03/lw-03-vcontrol_1.html ) You do not want JFS yet. Even the developers say it is not ready for casual use. -- Steve Fox http://k-lug.com
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
I would like to see XFS in Mandrake 8.0 also. We need a good industrial grade journaling file system. ReiserFS may be really good, but the trust factor just isn't there. Including XFS would be a really wise move. It makes it much easier to get Mandrake into the datacenter. I don't believe JFS is ready for prime time use though, maybe for version 8.1 or 8.2. Terry r j wrote: --- Michl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Eugenio Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- > > Ok, anyone that wants XFS in cooker raise your > > han..er keys! Several months ago > > we were asked what we wanted in cooker ... well, I > > want enterprise features, > > specifically XFS! > > > Me :) > Wonder if this process should be formalised, like > having a top-10 most-wanted list... In case you did not know, it _was_ in the www.mandrakeforum.com, a couple of times. The last was only ~ a week ago. You should post there too. Civileme started the forum post( BETA 8.0 Advice ). If XFS has LOTS of comments, it will be apparant that it is desired. It is _not_ there now, which is not good if you folks really want it. I would like to see JFS too since it is an Open Source project( http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ ) and part of the Linux Technology Center(LTC). (What is LTC?: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-03/lw-03-vcontrol_1.html ) . Regards, rj === > Michel > > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Terry Nelms ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Sr. Network Engineer nfusen, Inc. http://www.nfusen.com Voice: 601.939.4889 x109 Fax: 601.939.1848 "Accept no failure." begin:vcard n:Nelms;Terry tel;fax:601-939-1848 tel;work:601-939-4889 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.nfusen.com org:nfusen, Inc. version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior Network Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;2506 Lakeland Drive=0D=0ASuite 603;Jackson;MS;39208;US x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Terry Nelms end:vcard
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Joakim Bodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking the same thing for a while now, I've been running xfs for 3-4 months now. I'll take a look at mandrakes installer and see if dropping in a xfs kernel. The xfsprogs rpm shouldn't be a large problem since they seem to be made for rh7.0 . Joakim Bodin That's splendid! Do keep us updated - will try to help if I can. Will be great if this can make it to Mandrake 8 - even as an unsupported option. Regards, Michel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
What other crypto patch can u expect? :) just found it under mandrake-devel/unsupported directory (kernel-*-2.4.0-5mdkcrypto.*) , but seems to be binary only :( Abel Cheung On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, r j wrote: Is that 'the' crypto patch from ftp.kerneli.org that allows one to encrypt the filesystem? me wanna the real thing; this will kick ms butt if it works. Great for laptops/portables, too.
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
I raise my legs! :D But only if the merging doesn't cause much pain.. otherwise hopefully this issue will be considered after 8.0. Abel Cheung On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Eugenio Diaz wrote: --- Michèl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone at Mandrake please? I pledge my money to buying a boxed set of Mandrake 8.0 if it includes XFS - seriously. (Having bought several of SuSE's releases, and one of RH's, I am not against spending real money on Linux if I deem it adds something nice) Ok, anyone that wants XFS in cooker raise your han..er keys! Several months ago we were asked what we wanted in cooker ... well, I want enterprise features, specifically XFS!
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Eugenio Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ok, anyone that wants XFS in cooker raise your han..er keys! Several months ago we were asked what we wanted in cooker ... well, I want enterprise features, specifically XFS! Me :) Wonder if this process should be formalised, like having a top-10 most-wanted list... Michel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
Michl Alexandre Salim wrote: --- Piranha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, I like XFS! ;) Hey, by doing this can also build a good relationship with SGI! Mandrake will partner with SGI! It means you Mandrake guys appreciates the SGI guys' efforts! Then you guys can have more money $$$ !!! :-) Prana Eugenio Diaz wrote: --- Michl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? Me too. Me likes this. I doubt SGI has a lot of money to burn :p. Regarding a suggestion that I do it myself, I am afraid I am rather short of time currently. Perhaps sometime during the Easter break, but I must warn that I have never dabbled with Mandrake's installer before. Also, since the XFS-enabled kernel is currently a fork off the standard kernel tree, an installation with XFS would require not only a different kernel for booting the install process, but also a different kernel to install on the target, and the use of initrd (which I am not sure if Mandrake still uses, since the latest LILO/GRUB both support booting straight off ReiserFS partitions...) Someone at Mandrake please? I pledge my money to buying a boxed set of Mandrake 8.0 if it includes XFS - seriously. (Having bought several of SuSE's releases, and one of RH's, I am not against spending real money on Linux if I deem it adds something nice) Regards, Michel Salim I've been thinking the same thing for a while now, I've been running xfs for 3-4 months now. I'll take a look at mandrakes installer and see if dropping in a xfs kernel. The xfsprogs rpm shouldn't be a large problem since they seem to be made for rh7.0 . Joakim Bodin
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- "R.I.P. Deaddog" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if you have time, perhaps you can make a source RPM and put it into contrib to benefit others for now? I saw that a 2.4 kernel with crypto patch was already there. Probably those developers will reconsider Is that 'the' crypto patch from ftp.kerneli.org that allows one to encrypt the filesystem? me wanna the real thing; this will kick ms butt if it works. Great for laptops/portables, too. rj adding other FS support if they see that XFS works! Abel Cheung On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, [iso-8859-1] Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote: Hello all, I have been trying out the SGI XFS filesystem (using SGI's XFS Installer for RH 7) and must say I am quite impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can already support Reiser, supporting XFS should be just a matter of having the proper tools (mkxfs etc.) and kernel modules, I suppose? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sprach Michl Alexandre Salim am Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:28:24PM +: It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can What problems? Did I miss anything? Please tell me, so that I can be aware of this! You can read the entire discussion at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - not a major problem I believe, nothing a simple fsck won't fix. Michel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- "R.I.P. Deaddog" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LINUX*. But I have another question though, does XFS patch modify handling of VFS directly in some way that other filesystems can't be usable anymore? If not, then maybe XFS can be a serious candidate for inclusion in future Mandrake releases. They included Reiserfs when it doesn't get so much attention as it do today.. then why not others? Abel Cheung I don't think it modifies the VFS handling - I have heard of problems running earlier ext3 with reiserfs, but not xfs and reiser. In fact even before reiser makes it to the standard kernel tree I've seen some people in the xfs mailing list patching reiserfs on top of xfs.. should be no problem with the latest xfs cvs then. Seems like Joakim's going to try it - good luck :) Michel Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
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mee too ! It would add weight to my argument when proposing Linux at work ... Jan On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Eugenio Diaz wrote: --- Michèl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone at Mandrake please? I pledge my money to buying a boxed set of Mandrake 8.0 if it includes XFS - seriously. (Having bought several of SuSE's releases, and one of RH's, I am not against spending real money on Linux if I deem it adds something nice) Ok, anyone that wants XFS in cooker raise your han..er keys! Several months ago we were asked what we wanted in cooker ... well, I want enterprise features, specifically XFS!
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
Yes, if you have time, perhaps you can make a source RPM and put it into contrib to benefit others for now? I saw that a 2.4 kernel with crypto patch was already there. Probably those developers will reconsider adding other FS support if they see that XFS works! Abel Cheung On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, [iso-8859-1] Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote: Hello all, I have been trying out the SGI XFS filesystem (using SGI's XFS Installer for RH 7) and must say I am quite impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can already support Reiser, supporting XFS should be just a matter of having the proper tools (mkxfs etc.) and kernel modules, I suppose?
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Piranha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, I like XFS! ;) Hey, by doing this can also build a good relationship with SGI! Mandrake will partner with SGI! It means you Mandrake guys appreciates the SGI guys' efforts! Then you guys can have more money $$$ !!! :-) Prana Eugenio Diaz wrote: --- Michl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? Me too. Me likes this. I doubt SGI has a lot of money to burn :p. Regarding a suggestion that I do it myself, I am afraid I am rather short of time currently. Perhaps sometime during the Easter break, but I must warn that I have never dabbled with Mandrake's installer before. Also, since the XFS-enabled kernel is currently a fork off the standard kernel tree, an installation with XFS would require not only a different kernel for booting the install process, but also a different kernel to install on the target, and the use of initrd (which I am not sure if Mandrake still uses, since the latest LILO/GRUB both support booting straight off ReiserFS partitions...) Someone at Mandrake please? I pledge my money to buying a boxed set of Mandrake 8.0 if it includes XFS - seriously. (Having bought several of SuSE's releases, and one of RH's, I am not against spending real money on Linux if I deem it adds something nice) Regards, Michel Salim Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
So sprach Michl Alexandre Salim am Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 11:28:24PM +: It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can What problems? Did I miss anything? Please tell me, so that I can be aware of this! Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 1 hour 17 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
So sprach Michl Alexandre Salim am Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:29:57PM +: install on the target, and the use of initrd (which I am not sure if Mandrake still uses, since the latest LILO/GRUB both support booting straight off ReiserFS partitions...) Yes, of course they do - how else would you boot from SCSI if SCSI is (rightfully) not compiled into the kernel, but just available as a module? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die guenstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 1 hour 19 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
Hmmm doubt if LM people will include it for now, since it will certainly need lots of time for debugging and complaining ( :P ) before prime time, and it's still less proven then reiserfs *UNDER LINUX*. But I have another question though, does XFS patch modify handling of VFS directly in some way that other filesystems can't be usable anymore? If not, then maybe XFS can be a serious candidate for inclusion in future Mandrake releases. They included Reiserfs when it doesn't get so much attention as it do today.. then why not others? Abel Cheung On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, [iso-8859-1] Michèl Alexandre Salim wrote: I doubt SGI has a lot of money to burn :p. Regarding a suggestion that I do it myself, I am afraid I am rather short of time currently. Perhaps sometime during the Easter break, but I must warn that I have never dabbled with Mandrake's installer before. Also, since the XFS-enabled kernel is currently a fork off the standard kernel tree, an installation with XFS would require not only a different kernel for booting the install process, but also a different kernel to install on the target, and the use of initrd (which I am not sure if Mandrake still uses, since the latest LILO/GRUB both support booting straight off ReiserFS partitions...)
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
--- Michèl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I have been trying out the SGI XFS filesystem (using SGI's XFS Installer for RH 7) and must say I am quite impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can already support Reiser, supporting XFS should be just a matter of having the proper tools (mkxfs etc.) and kernel modules, I suppose? Perhaps not in the default image, but having this on a separate boot image would be terrific... Also, if one makes Reiser partitions from the installer, what version will be used - v1/3.5 or v2/3.6 ? If it is one or another, can I just create partitions manually in a terminal session and not have the installer tripping over? (Tried booting the RH Anaconda installer with a Reiser-enabled kernel and making + mounting my own reiser partition, and the installer just got sorely confused). Me too. Me likes this. = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Is it possible to bundle XFS support?
Me too, I like XFS! ;) Hey, by doing this can also build a good relationship with SGI! Mandrake will partner with SGI! It means you Mandrake guys appreciates the SGI guys' efforts! Then you guys can have more money $$$ !!! :-) Prana Eugenio Diaz wrote: --- Michl Alexandre Salim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I have been trying out the SGI XFS filesystem (using SGI's XFS Installer for RH 7) and must say I am quite impressed by it. I wonder if XFS support can be included, perhaps in the next beta release? It would be a nice additional option, what with the recent strings of problems with using ReiserFS 3.6 on the 2.4 kernel series, and since the installer can already support Reiser, supporting XFS should be just a matter of having the proper tools (mkxfs etc.) and kernel modules, I suppose? Perhaps not in the default image, but having this on a separate boot image would be terrific... Also, if one makes Reiser partitions from the installer, what version will be used - v1/3.5 or v2/3.6 ? If it is one or another, can I just create partitions manually in a terminal session and not have the installer tripping over? (Tried booting the RH Anaconda installer with a Reiser-enabled kernel and making + mounting my own reiser partition, and the installer just got sorely confused). Me too. Me likes this. = Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE Linux Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Prana [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyest.org GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x33343FD3
