Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
On Sat, 2002-08-10 at 00:57, Pixel wrote: this being said, most drakxtools do fit nicely in 640x480, it's only the control center which has such pb since it tries to display many things. A 640x480 mode to control center could be done, but we have many other things to do before this :-/ As I mentioned in my other email...how about a scrollbar? Surely that's not too taxing. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 23:49, Stephane SOPPERA wrote: Somehow, you could have move it with by pressing the ALT-key while draging it, no? So killing it was not really the only way. AOW! How did I not know about this before?! Thanks a lot, Stephane. *bounces away happily* -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Frank Griffin wrote: In a related problem, I reported that my 1280x1024 display was coming up as 640x480. In trying to use the Hardware/Resolution area of MCC to check what I had entered, I found that the configuration window is so large that the selection boxes for OK/CANCEL are off the bottom of the screen, as is the destroy window (X) icon on the titlebar at the right. The only way to get out was to open System/Console and kill MCC. Somehow, you could have move it with by pressing the ALT-key while draging it, no? So killing it was not really the only way. -- Stephane SOPPERA http://stephane.soppera.free.fr (in english now)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Stephane SOPPERA wrote: Somehow, you could have move it with by pressing the ALT-key while draging it, no? So killing it was not really the only way. I'm not quite up to speed with Unix GUIs, and didn't realize that (thanks to the other person who pointed this out as well). I just reported it as a usability issue, but I agree with Pixel's assessment that it's probably not worth pursuing.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Hello Pixel, On 10 Aug 2002, Pixel wrote: i think this is mainly a won't fix. X is not really usable in 640x480 As someone with a more-than-average interest in usability, I must frown on this. If your dialog doesnt fit in 640x480, then probably you need to redesign it... Furthermore there can be all kinds of reasons someone is running in 640x480, for instance when he has selected a wrong X server type. Of course, the idea that a window could be larger than the max visible area is completely silly and this shouldnt be possible at all! Hoping you'll reconsider, -- Reinout van SchouwenArtificial Intelligence student email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 GPG public key http://www.cs.vu.nl/~reinout/reinout.asc
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As someone with a more-than-average interest in usability, I must frown on this. If your dialog doesnt fit in 640x480, then probably you need to redesign it... Furthermore there can be all kinds of reasons someone is running in 640x480, for instance when he has selected a wrong X server type. Of course, the idea that a window could be larger than the max visible area is completely silly and this shouldnt be possible at all! contrary to what you believe, it's quite hard to make things work that way. kde control center is another example of not-fitting-on-small-displays. this being said, most drakxtools do fit nicely in 640x480, it's only the control center which has such pb since it tries to display many things. A 640x480 mode to control center could be done, but we have many other things to do before this :-/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
On Friday 09 August 2002 06:47 pm, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Of course, the idea that a window could be larger than the max visible area is completely silly and this shouldnt be possible at all! Why? You can use virtual screen space and/or ALT-drag to access whatever you need in the window. Who runs their desktop in 640x480, anyway? If you selected an x server type, it should be usable enough to get the right one installed, anyway. -- -- Igor
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Frank Griffin wrote: In a related problem, I reported that my 1280x1024 display was coming up as 640x480. In trying to use the Hardware/Resolution area of MCC to check what I had entered, I found that the configuration window is so large that the selection boxes for OK/CANCEL are off the bottom of the screen, as is the destroy window (X) icon on the titlebar at the right. The only way to get out was to open System/Console and kill MCC. Go to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add 'Virtual 1200 800' to the pixel depth you run. The virtual desktop will let you get where you need to go. -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center unusable at 640x480
Reinout van Schouwen wrote: On 10 Aug 2002, Pixel wrote: i think this is mainly a won't fix. X is not really usable in 640x480 As someone with a more-than-average interest in usability, I must frown on this. If your dialog doesnt fit in 640x480, then probably you need to redesign it... Furthermore there can be all kinds of reasons someone is running in 640x480, for instance when he has selected a wrong X server type. For sure! Of course, the idea that a window could be larger than the max visible area is completely silly and this shouldnt be possible at all! Hoping you'll reconsider, I can't get over how many KDE settings dialogs have such an abundance of unnecessary whitespace. There's no good reason for that dialog not to fit in a 480 pixel height. -- . . . we live in an age of paper religion. We believe more in issuing paper pronouncements on all subjects than in living our faith. The paper pronouncements of America's once Christian establishment are not many. Hence, it is assumed that the United States was never Christian. Rousas John Rushdoony, from his foreward to The Separation Illusion, by John W. Whitehead, 1977, ISBN 0-915134-41-1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/
