resend: Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
[due to the cooker mailing list problems yesterday, I'm reposting this] Adam Williamson wrote: My mails to Andrey Borzenkov are being bounced with this message: snip prohibition -- access from ip address [62.241.160.9] is blocked. See http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to DATA command) I know Andrey doesn't read Cooker consistently, so can someone alert him to this, and let him know the mails I tried to send him are on the list? Thanks. The cooker list itself seems to be sick right now, so I'm not sure when this will get through. But I thought I'd pass on what I've learned: I managed to translate the important items on the form (http://win.mail.ru/cgi-bin/support) linked to by the explanatory page (bounce message, like in your original note). Between machine translation (very acceptably good, at http://www.translate.ru/) and looking at the HTML, I go this: The first field is your name and surname, the second is a working e-mail address (probably best for it to be the one you sent from). The pull-down list is the subject of your problem (it's apparently a form to open an ISP support ticket). Select the one right before the line which contains WAP. That opens a window (apparently a FAQ). Unfortunately, the annoying JavaScript opens the popup *again* when the list loses input focus, too. Grrr. Next is the e-mail address you're having problems with (Andrey's), username + trailing bit in the pulldown. The large text field is your message. A cleaned-up translation of the parenthetical text: (if this concerns problems with a @mail.ru, @bk.ru, @inbox.ru or @list.ru mailbox, you will need to specify your recipient's name as well as your own e-mail address at which we can communicate with you). Needless to say, I wrote my message in English. Finally, there are two buttons with a checkbox in between. Checking the box will give you a copy of the trouble ticket. The first button is the submit button. Be careful with the second one, since it's an HTML reset button and will *clear* the form... Hopefully this helps, whenever the cooker list is alive again. - John P.S. Since I'm resending this message, I have some good news to add. After filling in the form, as outlined above, I received a reply from one of their people that my ISP had been de-blacklisted at my request. I just sent an e-mail that included Andrey in the addresses and haven't received a bounce-back, so it looks like things work...
Re: resend: Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:27, John Keller wrote: [due to the cooker mailing list problems yesterday, I'm reposting this] Adam Williamson wrote: My mails to Andrey Borzenkov are being bounced with this message: snip prohibition -- access from ip address [62.241.160.9] is blocked. See http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to DATA command) I know Andrey doesn't read Cooker consistently, so can someone alert him to this, and let him know the mails I tried to send him are on the list? Thanks. The cooker list itself seems to be sick right now, so I'm not sure when this will get through. But I thought I'd pass on what I've learned: I managed to translate the important items on the form (http://win.mail.ru/cgi-bin/support) linked to by the explanatory page (bounce message, like in your original note). Between machine translation (very acceptably good, at http://www.translate.ru/) and looking at the HTML, I go this: The first field is your name and surname, the second is a working e-mail address (probably best for it to be the one you sent from). The pull-down list is the subject of your problem (it's apparently a form to open an ISP support ticket). Select the one right before the line which contains WAP. That opens a window (apparently a FAQ). Unfortunately, the annoying JavaScript opens the popup *again* when the list loses input focus, too. Grrr. Next is the e-mail address you're having problems with (Andrey's), username + trailing bit in the pulldown. The large text field is your message. A cleaned-up translation of the parenthetical text: (if this concerns problems with a @mail.ru, @bk.ru, @inbox.ru or @list.ru mailbox, you will need to specify your recipient's name as well as your own e-mail address at which we can communicate with you). Needless to say, I wrote my message in English. Finally, there are two buttons with a checkbox in between. Checking the box will give you a copy of the trouble ticket. The first button is the submit button. Be careful with the second one, since it's an HTML reset button and will *clear* the form... Hopefully this helps, whenever the cooker list is alive again. - John P.S. Since I'm resending this message, I have some good news to add. After filling in the form, as outlined above, I received a reply from one of their people that my ISP had been de-blacklisted at my request. I just sent an e-mail that included Andrey in the addresses and haven't received a bounce-back, so it looks like things work... Well, uh, thanks for doing all that work, but it turns out it's not necessary...the blacklist was actually coming from DSDL, which has a perfectly English homepage :). I emailed Pipex postmaster and got a reply saying they're applying to be taken off the DSDL list, so things should be sorted out for me soon too. -- adamw
Re: resend: Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
Adam Williamson wrote: Well, uh, thanks for doing all that work, but it turns out it's not necessary...the blacklist was actually coming from DSDL, which has a Yeah, I was a bit verbose, wasn't I? I had to do it for myself, so I figured I'd pass along what I'd learned for anyone else in the same situation. perfectly English homepage :). I emailed Pipex postmaster and got a reply saying they're applying to be taken off the DSDL list, so things should be sorted out for me soon too. Good to hear. Dunno what it is, but I've seen a sudden jump in active blacklisting all over the place. - John
Re: resend: Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 13:10, John Keller wrote: Good to hear. Dunno what it is, but I've seen a sudden jump in active blacklisting all over the place. Perhaps the problem is too much hype over spam, with too many half baked schemes to stop it. I've already put forward the idea that if the ISPs checked for an open relay when the client logs on and if one is found notify the client and then block the account the ill configured mailers would get fixed. If the spammers can find open relays why can't the ISPs? Answer, their support desks would have to actually tell the clients how to fix it. If they just use blacklists it's someone else's problem. -- Dave Cotton Directeur Linux Autrement 193 rue Marcel Cerdan 84270 Vedene 04 90 23 30 81 Internet Sheriff Technology revendeur en France http://www.linuxautrement.com IAX 17004902330
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
Adam Williamson wrote: Yeah, I just realised my last response is braindead, because of course I use my ISP's SMTP server (I don't run my own), so it's presumably that IP address that's blocked, and that doesn't change. Consequently, I ought to fill in the form, which I'd do immediately if my five-year old GCSE Russian were remotely up to the task. Which it isn't. :) If you or anyone else figures out the basics of the form, please let me know. My ISP's SMTP is also blacklisted (on an on-and-off basis), and it'd be nice to address it when it happens. Too bad what little Russian I learned was pushed out of my brain by my French... - John
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 14:10, John Keller wrote: If you or anyone else figures out the basics of the form, please let me know. My ISP's SMTP is also blacklisted (on an on-and-off basis), and it'd be nice to address it when it happens. Too bad what little Russian I learned was pushed out of my brain by my French... Oleane is blacklisted? matchbox.fr resolves to an address from the Oleane block, do you have a fixed IP? If so perhaps you were the open relay :) If not you're another victim of the a previous user of the IP had an open relay syndrome. I just realised why providers like Wanadoo/Oleane never check for open relays, if you complain about the problem that others are causing you they'll say they can always sell you a fixed IP at an inflated price. -- Dave Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
Dave Cotton wrote: Oleane is blacklisted? Apparently so; at least, someone is. The smtp server is in a /8 block, so I hope there was some restraint on the part of the blacklisters (no comment... ;-). matchbox.fr resolves to an address from the Oleane block, do you have a fixed IP? If so perhaps you were the open relay :) We have a very small block of fixed addresses, but only one is in service and it doesn't run a server. The firewall at that address doesn't even have that port open (though we get scanned quite often). If not you're another victim of the a previous user of the IP had an open relay syndrome. We have a professional ASDL service, but our block of fixed IP's isn't anywhere near the one that Andrey's ISP has blacklisted (81.x.x.x for access vs. 213.x.x.x for blacklist). We use a generic smtp server that's for everyone on the service, and is *almost* in the same Class C block as the one mentioned in the bounce notice that I got from Andrey's ISP. Changes are *very* good that it was at one time an open relay. Since sometime late last year, Oleane has required smtp password validation -- but cleartext passwords aren't guaranteed, just a way to slow down a determined spammer. Mandrake's own cooker server bounced two of my messages yesterday, the first time it'd happened to me. So there is perhaps renewed activity. We'll see if this message makes it :-) (a couple of others did, so I think Mdk took care of me). I just realised why providers like Wanadoo/Oleane never check for open relays, if you complain about the problem that others are causing you they'll say they can always sell you a fixed IP at an inflated price. Yeah, I know about the prices for sure (and I miss the days of US 1-800 service numbers when I was only paying with my time on hold, not for an inflated support line cost too). I've purposely avoided setting up an smtp server or service, but sometimes I think about our extra IP addresses sitting there... Thanks for the friendly neighborly inquiry. I'm basically in the same situation as a regular user, just at inflated business prices. But for the moment, it's better than the time I'd spend on setting up something close to bulletproof. - John
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Friday 15 August 2003 15:49, Dave Cotton wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 14:10, John Keller wrote: If you or anyone else figures out the basics of the form, please let me know. My ISP's SMTP is also blacklisted (on an on-and-off basis), and it'd be nice to address it when it happens. Too bad what little Russian I learned was pushed out of my brain by my French... Oleane is blacklisted? matchbox.fr resolves to an address from the Oleane block, do you have a fixed IP? If so perhaps you were the open relay :) If not you're another victim of the a previous user of the IP had an open relay syndrome. I just realised why providers like Wanadoo/Oleane never check for open relays, if you complain about the problem that others are causing you they'll say they can always sell you a fixed IP at an inflated price. indeed and the price of the fixed IP alone is the same as a adsl connection with a fixed IP at their competitors... I will not give any name... -- Mickaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 23:26, Adam Williamson wrote: My mails to Andrey Borzenkov are being bounced with this message: This is the Postfix program at host shockwave.systems.pipex.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mxs.mail.ru[194.67.23.20] said: 503 Administrative prohibition -- access from ip address [62.241.160.9] is blocked. See http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to DATA command) I've had this once or twice and found that the problem is a combination of the constant reallocation of IPs by Cable/xDSL operators and blacklists. Someone using the same ISP as you has been found to be, or in some cases just been accused of, running an open relay, which is now on a blacklist. I just did service adsl restart got a new IP and resent with no problems. Perhaps in the future a responsible ISP may break the mould by running a check for an open relay immediately after allocating the IP. If the test shows positive, send a message to the account to that effect and disable it, then a large number of badly configured machines would be found by the ISPs and not the spammers. A side benefit to this could be that spam would be reduced dramatically overnight. One can dream. -- Dave Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wanted us to know: http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to Go to that link, there's a form to fill out to request your IP to be whitelisted. - -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | ...file transfer by email is evil.| | http://www.mrball.net | NANOG | | http://faq.mrball.net || Linux kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk 6 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/O5uYIBT1264ScBURAmcgAJsEoss5Do+3lIMn0pyd8pWVyrPxSgCggLsf g16qaaPXY/SRjpXPPkNKBkY= =2tZH -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know Andrey doesn't read Cooker consistently, so can someone alert him to this, and let him know the mails I tried to send him are on the list? Thanks. Done. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 15:24, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wanted us to know: http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to Go to that link, there's a form to fill out to request your IP to be whitelisted. Bit too much trouble, given I'm on ADSL and it changes every couple of days. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wanted us to know: http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to Go to that link, there's a form to fill out to request your IP to be whitelisted. Bit too much trouble, given I'm on ADSL and it changes every couple of days. Then the best recourse for you is to configure Postfix to use a smart host and put your ISP's mail server. They should be relaying by IP and as long as they're not doing something like earthlink, they will allow you to send it from whoever you want. If they only relay for their domain, then you're kinda SOL unless you can find someone who'll setup SMTP AUTH for you on a nonstandard port. Good luck, dude. I hate it when the whole ISP seems to be against you. - -- Blue skies... Todd Public key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc scandal cannonball: you gonna wear your ferengi ears? :) Morph scandal: everyone knows its the year of the Romulan..*slap* scandal trust me to show up unfashionably dressed to a scifi convention Linux kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/PBQjIBT1264ScBURAp7JAKDKJmheoUHOHUIt9bryvsvOfKIp3wCfeKqP bazUwg7bxVdRzoxZlxGqIQM= =DK4H -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] OT - can someone pass this on to Andrey?
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 23:58, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wanted us to know: http://www.mail.ru/pages/help/262.html for details. (in reply to Go to that link, there's a form to fill out to request your IP to be whitelisted. Bit too much trouble, given I'm on ADSL and it changes every couple of days. Then the best recourse for you is to configure Postfix to use a smart host and put your ISP's mail server. They should be relaying by IP and as long as they're not doing something like earthlink, they will allow you to send it from whoever you want. If they only relay for their domain, then you're kinda SOL unless you can find someone who'll setup SMTP AUTH for you on a nonstandard port. Yeah, I just realised my last response is braindead, because of course I use my ISP's SMTP server (I don't run my own), so it's presumably that IP address that's blocked, and that doesn't change. Consequently, I ought to fill in the form, which I'd do immediately if my five-year old GCSE Russian were remotely up to the task. Which it isn't. :) -- adamw
