Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 04 July 2003 03:48 am, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
 sort of reply to
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=105727878726175w=2

 ...

 These incredibly fast macines have way more than enough power for many
 standard home users, wouldn't this be cool.
 
 I seem to recall somebody hacking a solution like this into XFree 4.0.x

 ...
 You probably mean:
 http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/index.html

 regarding the How-To:
 i tried to push such kernel to cooker, texstar, rpmhelp.net,
 but there was no interest at all
 the common answer was: please no more kernels, we have enough kernel
 packages

 i supose we'll have to wait until this is merged in linux-2.7 (and mandrake
 kernel based on it), to get this ability from a vanila mandrake box.

Well, to be really useful, it's got to be easier to configure than it is in 
your HOWTO.  Not that I cannot follow the directions, but the easiiest 
scenario is plugging in the extra equipment, checkiing a box and having iot 
work.
-- 
/g

Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx



Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Quoting Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Friday 04 July 2003 03:48 am, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
  sort of reply to
  http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=105727878726175w=2
 
  ...
 
  These incredibly fast macines have way more than enough power for many
  standard home users, wouldn't this be cool.
  
  I seem to recall somebody hacking a solution like this into XFree 4.0.x
 
  ...
  You probably mean:
  http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/index.html
 
  regarding the How-To:
  i tried to push such kernel to cooker, texstar, rpmhelp.net,
  but there was no interest at all
  the common answer was: please no more kernels, we have enough kernel
  packages
 
  i supose we'll have to wait until this is merged in linux-2.7 (and
 mandrake
  kernel based on it), to get this ability from a vanila mandrake box.
 
 Well, to be really useful, it's got to be easier to configure than it is in
 
 your HOWTO.  Not that I cannot follow the directions, but the easiiest 
 scenario is plugging in the extra equipment, checkiing a box and having iot
 
 work.

it's not that hard (for a dual user system :) )
but the how-to tries to cover pretty advanced configurations,
so it gets a little bit too long.

i'll add some intro about what to read for which configuration,
but i can not make it smaller 
(and it'll get even bigger when i get ruby-2.5 running for dual-user
on a single card - using framebuffer on Matrox G550 DH)

basicly you need only to install the kernel  may be patched XFree,
configure XFree for additional input devices(mice) and additional layouts.
and setup dm to start the X servers. but that's for 2 users.

if one wants to setup 4,5,6 users he'll have to check advanced configuration of
input devices, hot-pluging

plus there are some tweaks( which are of course optional)
using different sound cards for the different screens,
automatically/manually switching the number of running X servers,
different wellcome screens on the different displays 

best,

svetljo 




Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread andre
There are some security problems with it IIRC. And with the price of hardware 
so low it is cheaper to setup a second box as X terminal.




Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Quoting andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 There are some security problems with it IIRC.

what? why?

 And with the price of hardware 
 so low it is cheaper to setup a second box as X terminal.

i don't agree,
i'm not sure how well does XV, GLX ... support X terminals(networked X),
network bandwith/ security ?

how could it be cheaper? 
second box as X terminal -- graphic card/monitor/keyboard/mouse

also what about 5 X terminals ? 
or may be 24 (6 x Matrox G450 MMS 4heads) ?

svetljo





Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread Greg Meyer
On Friday 04 July 2003 11:02 am, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
 basicly you need only to install the kernel  may be patched XFree,
 configure XFree for additional input devices(mice) and additional layouts.
 and setup dm to start the X servers. but that's for 2 users.

I agree it is pretty simple for most of us reading Cooker.  What I meant was, 
if it is going to be added as a feature that every user can use, it has to be 
even simpler than that.  Perhaps the time will come when everything required 
is in the kernel and everything else can be auto-detected.  It would have to 
be that way for my parents to use it anyway.
-- 
/g

Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx



Re: [Cooker] OT X multi-user (was Fast user switching in KDE)

2003-07-04 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Quoting Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Friday 04 July 2003 11:02 am, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
  basicly you need only to install the kernel  may be patched XFree,
  configure XFree for additional input devices(mice) and additional
 layouts.
  and setup dm to start the X servers. but that's for 2 users.
 
 I agree it is pretty simple for most of us reading Cooker.  What I meant was,
 
 if it is going to be added as a feature that every user can use, it has to be
 
 even simpler than that.  Perhaps the time will come when everything required
 
 is in the kernel

and in XFree, sound demons, ...
may be not that soon :(

 and everything else can be auto-detected.  It would have to
 
 be that way for my parents to use it anyway.

for your parents to use it ?
or to make the initial configuration ?

in the first case you could configure it,
and your parents simply log in on the waiting display manager screens.

in the second, hm ... not in near future 

svetljo