Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:55:58PM +0200, Pixel wrote: > and if accessing the zip drive via hdX, does it fail? You mean in GtkZip/ziptool/jaZip? Yes, it does. There's also a big note on all these homepages that you have to use ide-scsi. As I have 3 other SCSI drives, and as I somehow couldn't get mkinitrd to include ide-scsi, I put ide-scsi in /etc/modules, so it is loaded after the scsi drivers from the initrd. Because of that I have to access it via /dev/sdd. But also because of that I don't need ide-floppy anymore. But supermount doesn't work anymore. Well, suppose I gotta move back to autofs. Like this better anyway :] Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > GtkZip is a program for maintaining your Iomega Zip drive disks under Linux. > It is based on a command line utility ziptool, and is written fully in C > using the GTK widget set. and if accessing the zip drive via hdX, does it fail?
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:33:52PM +0200, Pixel wrote: > Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > Which is also needed if you want to use ziptools, so that's not a problem at > > can you tell more? what does it give more? I'll just paste the description from freshmeat here: Ziptool is a package that allows you to manipulate your Iomega Zip or Jaz disk drives. This version is based on the work of Bob Willmot, Grant Guenther, and Itai Nahshon and has additional functionality. It now supports the 2GB Jaz, has the ability to (un)lock the Drive Door, ability to (un)mount the disk, as well as all functions of the previous releases, e.g. modifying the protection mode of the disk, status check, disk eject, etc. http://www.novia.net/~segura/ziptool/ ziptool is in contrib ide-scsi is also needed if you want to use GtkZip: GtkZip is a program for maintaining your Iomega Zip drive disks under Linux. It is based on a command line utility ziptool, and is written fully in C using the GTK widget set. It allows the user to mount/umount disks easily. An additional feature is the ability to change (with password) the protection status of a disk. GtkZip is part of the main distribution. Enough? > well: > > - backward compatibility Really? Backward compatibility with what? > - naming: your zip ends up as sda or sdb-something, just like scsi, the order > depending upon the module insmod'ing order :-( Well, sure. But if the main kernel would always use this, the user would hardly notice it. I don't think that the majority of users would even notice or care about *how* the drive is accessed. > - and maybe others, like speed, but i don't know about that... Don't know about speed either. Well, put it in, and we'll see what breaks :-] Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Which is also needed if you want to use ziptools, so that's not a problem at can you tell more? what does it give more? > all, but more a plus. Maybe you guys should start compiling the kernels > *WITHOUT* IDE cdrom and IDE floppy support and let ide-scsi handle it all. > If you wnat to burn a CD you need ide-scsi support anyways and if you want > to make full use of your ATAPI ZIP drive you'll also need it. Or are there > any problems that I missed that would speak against dropping IDE CD/floppy > support and just using ide-scsi for everything? well: - backward compatibility - naming: your zip ends up as sda or sdb-something, just like scsi, the order depending upon the module insmod'ing order :-( (this will be better with devfs) - and maybe others, like speed, but i don't know about that...
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:44:36AM +0200, Pixel wrote: > the second problem is that both ide-burner and ide-zip, in that case, you must > also give hdX=ide-floppy for the zip, otherwise you'll end up accessing your zip > via sda (or whatever) Which is also needed if you want to use ziptools, so that's not a problem at all, but more a plus. Maybe you guys should start compiling the kernels *WITHOUT* IDE cdrom and IDE floppy support and let ide-scsi handle it all. If you wnat to burn a CD you need ide-scsi support anyways and if you want to make full use of your ATAPI ZIP drive you'll also need it. Or are there any problems that I missed that would speak against dropping IDE CD/floppy support and just using ide-scsi for everything? Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
Pixel wrote: > Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> One thing which _would_ help in this area is to load CD support as a module >> rather than building it in, that way the funny ATAPI CDE burners (TraxData etc) >> can be got working under Mandrake without a kernel recompile. As things stand, >> the CD driver loads on bootup and puts the funny burners into IDE mode, from >> which the ide-scsi driver has no way of recovering pretend-SCSI mode. > you *don't* need to recompile the kernel! > 7.1 got it right as far as i know. > 7.2b was a bit broken, since i was grep'ing the kernel messages and they changed > :-( > i've just fixed it, using a nice ioctl :) > (more precisely: ioctl(fd, CDROM_GET_CAPABILITY) & CDC_CD_RW) Fabulous! Looking forward to using that! -- Monitor goes funny, it's a virus; hard disk dies, it's a virus; air-conditioning fails, it's a virus; printer says "ERROR 69 MOUSE OUT OF CHEESE", it's a virus. -- Chris Richardson
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One thing which _would_ help in this area is to load CD support as a module > rather than building it in, that way the funny ATAPI CDE burners (TraxData etc) > can be got working under Mandrake without a kernel recompile. As things stand, > the CD driver loads on bootup and puts the funny burners into IDE mode, from > which the ide-scsi driver has no way of recovering pretend-SCSI mode. you *don't* need to recompile the kernel! 7.1 got it right as far as i know. 7.2b was a bit broken, since i was grep'ing the kernel messages and they changed :-( i've just fixed it, using a nice ioctl :) (more precisely: ioctl(fd, CDROM_GET_CAPABILITY) & CDC_CD_RW) the solution is to give hdX=ide-scsi to the kernel so that the built-in kernel ide-cd doesn't take care of it. the second problem is that both ide-burner and ide-zip, in that case, you must also give hdX=ide-floppy for the zip, otherwise you'll end up accessing your zip via sda (or whatever) cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:44:38AM -0700, John Richard Smith wrote: > When it come to new programme(s) for future release ,kindly consider:- > > a) A proper drive image programme for backing up entire OS's,not just the data,and >that euphemistically titled dump programme It's there, either tar or dd, depending on your need. > > b) Do something to get a CD writer operational.What about writing Unix drivers or >perhaps something along the lines of ghosytscripts for cd writers Huh? What does not work with cdrecord? Don't have any problems whatsoever here. PS: Keep the lines short! ~72 chars/line max. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
Re: [Cooker] SUGGESTION BOX MD7.2 developement
> John Richard Smith wrote: > When it come to new programme(s) for future release ,kindly consider:- > b) Do something to get a CD writer operational.What about writing Unix drivers > or perhaps something along the lines of ghosytscripts for cd writers Unix drivers? Have you seen how many utterly different Windows drivers there are? Linux already does this with (I think) four basoic drivers only, plus tweaks, for SCSI, ATAPI, ParPort and one other kind of writer (maybe USB?). One thing which _would_ help in this area is to load CD support as a module rather than building it in, that way the funny ATAPI CDE burners (TraxData etc) can be got working under Mandrake without a kernel recompile. As things stand, the CD driver loads on bootup and puts the funny burners into IDE mode, from which the ide-scsi driver has no way of recovering pretend-SCSI mode. -- If you still want to do this in light of the above disadvantages, the method is left as an exercise to the reader. It'll void your Apache warrenty, though, and you'll lose all accumulated UNIX guru points. -- FAQ for Apache, a public-domain web server
