Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
On Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 03:31:24AM +0200, Diablero wrote: On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Stephane Gourichon wrote: Someone told me that Debian updates itself completely without rebooting (except kernel change, I guess). How do they do that ? They have a very good package format, they work with a lot of symlinks. And they face the same problems we do. Last time I've tried to upgrade a Debian 2.0 to a pre-2.2 with apt, the system crashed during the upgrading of the glibc package, leaving the system unusable. I had to manually change the package back from my Mandrake. A friend of mine told me that 'apt' only works great if you have a very recent Debian. DindinX -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] HF Team
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
On 9 Jun 2000, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: We're thinking of something like HelixUpdate -- but we can't come to a whole agreement at MandrakeSoft, some of us think we should only install only applicative stuff, some others think we should handle a full upgrade process this way (with the machine up). Great idea, that! I tried to upgrade a server from 6.1 to 7.0. I first grabbed rpmdrake and used it to uninstall a maximum of things with automatical dependencies, and then upgrade needed package, without halting the services or rebooting the server. Then I had problems with xfs (and others)... Services did continue to work, but we had a 6 hours power failure a few days later. Lilo did not work (it is a full SCSI machine), did not find initrd image for scsi module or something. After booting from floppy, I copied /etc to another partition, then installed 7.0 on mke2fs'ed / and /usr partition at a time I could afford having the server down. Still, an upgrade without reboot could be appreciated, but I guess it is *much* more difficult to *guarantee* it will work with any combination of glibc/processes/server-processes... is it bad to launch a /bin/bash in a rpm upgrade script when glibc is upgraded and the other rpms not ? I guess a major "unresolved symbol" syndrom may occur... :-( Someone told me that Debian updates itself completely without rebooting (except kernel change, I guess). How do they do that ? -- Stéphane Gourichon - Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris 6 - Équipe AnimatLab
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Stephane Gourichon wrote: Someone told me that Debian updates itself completely without rebooting (except kernel change, I guess). How do they do that ? They have a very good package format, they work with a lot of symlinks. -- Stéphane Gourichon - Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris 6 - Équipe AnimatLab -- Thomas Poindessous EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.epita.fr/~epx
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
Jason, :~Well for me the fact that Mandrake won't boot after I install using :~ReiserFS :~on my Mylex Raid Controller thats a major flaw. No, this is a minor flaw. ReiserFS is still in beta, and 7.1 is the first Mandrake distro which supports it. A workaround to get your machines working exists, so what do you wnat more? (WDYTWA? M?) :~I still maintain that 6.1 was the most stable release to come out of :~Mandrake. Well, then just go on using ReiserFS under 6.1 :-b cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- The only thing I see here is two things: (Oskuro at /.)
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
- Original Message - From: "Allen Bolderoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ? whole agreement at MandrakeSoft, some of us think we should only install only applicative stuff, some others think we should handle a full upgrade process this way (with the machine up). Now, this would be Uber Cool. A lot more work, however, it would be a *real* first, and would earn mdk many kudos from within the community for doing it (if they could get it working) As anyone with a bit of exp in Linux knows, upgrading a full *running* system can be harrowing, even if no changes were made to the dist... FreeBSD does this - "make world". Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi again, Will be soon Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ? What for? The 7.0-2 was made because the 7.0 had a big flaw which made it dangerous. Now that many CD's of the 7.1 are being manufactured (because no major flaw was discovered since the beta3) it would be too expensive to fix the last minor problems and re-manufacture the whole batch of CD's. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
RE: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
Is the Mandrake Update feature going to be used more with 7.1 than it was with 7.0? -Original Message- From: Guillaume Cottenceau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi again, Will be soon Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ? What for? The 7.0-2 was made because the 7.0 had a big flaw which made it dangerous. Now that many CD's of the 7.1 are being manufactured (because no major flaw was discovered since the beta3) it would be too expensive to fix the last minor problems and re-manufacture the whole batch of CD's. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi again, Will be soon Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ? What for? The 7.0-2 was made because the 7.0 had a big flaw which made it dangerous. Now that many CD's of the 7.1 are being manufactured (because no major flaw was discovered since the beta3) it would be too expensive to fix the last minor problems and re-manufacture the whole batch of CD's. -- Guillaume Cottenceau Guillaume, Well for me the fact that Mandrake won't boot after I install using ReiserFS on my Mylex Raid Controller thats a major flaw. I've installed 7.1 of 5 different machines and ran into a installation problem on each one of them. I think thats enough of a flaw to think about releasing a -2. Judging by the number of bugs with the final submitted on this list there are some problems. I still maintain that 6.1 was the most stable release to come out of Mandrake. just my two cents. -Jason -- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. -Benjamin Franklin
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
Jason Jeremias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well for me the fact that Mandrake won't boot after I install using ReiserFS on my Mylex Raid Controller thats a major flaw. Sure, because you would like the best for your box! It's perfectly understandable. I've installed 7.1 of 5 different machines and ran into a installation problem on each one of them. I think thats enough of a flaw to think about releasing a -2. Judging by the number of bugs with the final submitted on this list there are some problems. We here at different machines, too, and 7.1 installs flawlessly on any of them. Please extensively report all the other problems you still have, we'll fix them if possible, and put some updates if there are security issues. I still maintain that 6.1 was the most stable release to come out of Mandrake. Well, .. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the Mandrake Update feature going to be used more with 7.1 than it was with 7.0? Mainly, it's for security holes. We're thinking of something like HelixUpdate -- but we can't come to a whole agreement at MandrakeSoft, some of us think we should only install only applicative stuff, some others think we should handle a full upgrade process this way (with the machine up). -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] will be Mandrake 7.1-2 distibution ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We're thinking of something like HelixUpdate -- but we can't come to a That would be cool whole agreement at MandrakeSoft, some of us think we should only install only applicative stuff, some others think we should handle a full upgrade process this way (with the machine up). Now, this would be Uber Cool. A lot more work, however, it would be a *real* first, and would earn mdk many kudos from within the community for doing it (if they could get it working) As anyone with a bit of exp in Linux knows, upgrading a full *running* system can be harrowing, even if no changes were made to the dist... -- +++ Allen Bolderoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] LNC - Linux, help and commentary http://linux.netnerve.com CTPC - Caffeine - get it here: http://www.coffee-tea-pots-cups.com/ +++ GPG fingerprint = CBB0 8626 702C 3D01 B5AD A54A DC2C 93B7 3E4B 6472 +++
