Re: PPC install help files [Was: 7600 almost there]
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Rick Thomas wrote: I guess it's really up to the installer team, though, what they'll allow. Stew Benedict So... How do we write to the installer team to let them know (in a friendly way) that PPC users are paying customers and need architecture specific help files, just like the x86 users? The installer team monitors [EMAIL PROTECTED] As things stand at the moment, the PPC installer is not quite in sync with the main one, for various reasons. When a new iteration starts I generally try to sync back up, but at some point I usually again deviate because it just becomes too time consuming to try to keep up with the installer team and get the thing to build/work on PPC. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
7600 almost there
status -install on a Mac7600 from CD from scratch. ADB key board and mouse. DURING INSTALLselect both US and US international Key Board - same result with both.select single button busmouse. single mouse key tests ok. selected key board keys don't work.mouse and keyboard ARE WORKING during install - otherwise i wouldn't have gotn very far.AFTER INSTALLbefore X there is a "no /dev/adbmouse" or similar message.get all the way to the X windows login only to find mouse does not repond (cursor is stuck) and keyboard is mismapped. try t type "root" for user - get goble-de-gook. so keyboard IS working but is mismapped(?)i suppose the next step is to re-re-re-re-install specifying no X at startup and hope keyboard is not mismapped and try to install an adbmouse driver.UNLESS - there are some other good ideas forth coming...--AdamWolterOfficeofTechnicalServices(OTS)forFilmMediaCulturalStudies(FMC)GRIFFITHUNIVERSITY.'phone-+61738757940FAX-+61738753994[EMAIL PROTECTED]wecometoserve\V/
Re: 7600 almost there
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Adam Wolter wrote: status - install on a Mac7600 from CD from scratch. ADB key board and mouse. DURING INSTALL select both US and US international Key Board - same result with both. select single button busmouse. single mouse key tests ok. selected key board keys don't work. Keyboard keys won't be enabled until reboot into system. mouse and keyboard ARE WORKING during install - otherwise i wouldn't have gotn very far. AFTER INSTALL before X there is a no /dev/adbmouse or similar message. get all the way to the X windows login only to find mouse does not repond (cursor is stuck) and keyboard is mismapped. try t type root for user - get goble-de-gook. so keyboard IS working but is mismapped(?) Frozen mouse is a kdm issue with adb mouse. You don't see it manually running startx or using xdm. i suppose the next step is to re-re-re-re-install specifying no X at startup and hope keyboard is not mismapped and try to install an adbmouse driver. UNLESS - there are some other good ideas forth coming... If you use recommended install, you normally don't select a keyboard at all. I would try doing that. I have a 7600 here and haven't seen any keyboard mismapping with a recommended install. I think what's getting you in trouble is trying to override the defaults. Items of possible interest that may allow you to correct the situation without a re-re-re-re-install: [stew@powerbook-cooker SOURCES]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/mouse MOUSETYPE=ps/2 XMOUSETYPE=PS/2 FULLNAME=USB|1 button XEMU3=yes WHEEL=no device=usbmouse This is on a powerbook. The trackpad is adb. Note I'm still using usbmouse. I previously had a note in the install help warning to always choose a USB mouse, but all my PPC help was stripped out. =( [stew@powerbook-cooker SOURCES]$ ls -l /dev/usbmouse lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 15 May 20 01:25 /dev/usbmouse - /dev/input/mice The neat thing about this arrangement is in the case of a machine with adb/usb, like the powerbook, I can use the trackpad and a usb mouse at the same time or either one, without changing configuration. [stew@powerbook-cooker SOURCES]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/keyboard KEYTABLE=us [stew@powerbook-cooker SOURCES]$ cat /etc/sysctl.conf dev.mac_hid.keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes = 1 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation = 1 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode = 87 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode = 88 [stew@powerbook-cooker SOURCES]$ less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard1 Driver Keyboard Option AutoRepeat 250 30 Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection HTH, Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
Re: 7600 almost there
Stew, To whom should we write if we want to point out that there are PPC customers out there who need install help as much as the x86 customers? Rick From: Stew Benedict [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:32:16 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 7600 almost there I previously had a note in the install help warning to always choose a USB mouse, but all my PPC help was stripped out. =(
Re: 7600 almost there
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Rick Thomas wrote: Stew, To whom should we write if we want to point out that there are PPC customers out there who need install help as much as the x86 customers? What I should probably do is review Phil's excellent install tutorial again and add any additional notes that are PPC specific. Not quite as good as the inline help, and it's not being translated to other languages, but it would help. My apologies for not making the mouse issue more clear, at least somewhere. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
Re: PPC install help files [Was: 7600 almost there]
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Rick Thomas wrote: Stew, The tutorial is great (even excellent) and very helpful, but the online help is there-when-you-need-it. Either way, if it's x86 specific and I'm installing on a PPC, it's just frustrating, not helpful. My vote goes for putting the PPC stuff in both places (of course, I don't have to do the work! (;) ) Is there any way we can be of assistance here? I agree, right on the screen is the best, I know myself, I don't look at documentation/manuals until I'm stuck. The problem is there's more to it than just adding the text in the installer. That same text feeds manuals etc. (of which there are none on PPC), so they don't want PPC stuff in there confusing the issue on the x86 side. Also, translators work on all that text to get it presentable in other languages. I suppose the thing to do would be to break out the help portion of drakx into arch specific sections, and then see if we could get all that translated. Currently the only other arch we support is ia64, and I don't believe it's that much different than x86. I can look at whether it would be possible to do this for the next iteration. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
Re: PPC install help files [Was: 7600 almost there]
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:42:50PM -0400, Stew Benedict wrote: I suppose the thing to do would be to break out the help portion of drakx into arch specific sections, and then see if we could get all that translated. Currently the only other arch we support is ia64, and I don't believe it's that much different than x86. I can look at whether it would be possible to do this for the next iteration. Why not introduce something in there similar to RPM's ifarch? That way when built on x86 or ia64 ppc stuff will be ignored. When manuals are generated for x86 ppc stuff can be ignored. However there is only one source of the manuals. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org We tend to see all wars through the lens of the current conflict, and we mine history for lessons convenient to the present purpose. - Brian Hayes
Re: PPC install help files [Was: 7600 almost there]
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Ben Reser wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:42:50PM -0400, Stew Benedict wrote: I suppose the thing to do would be to break out the help portion of drakx into arch specific sections, and then see if we could get all that translated. Currently the only other arch we support is ia64, and I don't believe it's that much different than x86. I can look at whether it would be possible to do this for the next iteration. Why not introduce something in there similar to RPM's ifarch? That way when built on x86 or ia64 ppc stuff will be ignored. When manuals are generated for x86 ppc stuff can be ignored. However there is only one source of the manuals. That's kind of along the lines I was thinking. There is similar coding all through drakx, and that was originally how I had done some of the PPC help that was completely different that x86. I guess it's really up to the installer team, though, what they'll allow. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
Re: PPC install help files [Was: 7600 almost there]
I guess it's really up to the installer team, though, what they'll allow. Stew Benedict So... How do we write to the installer team to let them know (in a friendly way) that PPC users are paying customers and need architecture specific help files, just like the x86 users? Thanks, Stew, for all your good work! Mandrake for PPC is a great product. Let's work together to make it even greater. (Wow, I sound just like Steve Jobs... Scary. ;-) Enjoy! Rick
