Re: [COOT] Automatic column asignment for refmac

2009-11-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
At the moment refmac does extremely simple selection. First structure  
factor label and the first sigma that has similar name to the first  
structure factor, if not then the first sigma.
It works for a class of cases but it cannot be universal. While we are  
on this matter I think it would be good to not mix input mtz and  
output mtz from refinement. They may have completely different  
meaning. I.e. for refinement always original mtz after scala/truncate  
with correct space group assigned should be used.
Structure factors in the output mtz may have been modified by the  
programs and these modifications are based on some assumptions that  
may or may not be correct at the time of that program processing that  
dataset. As information changes (e.g. better model) modification may  
also change.


i hope I did not add more confusion.
Garib



On 30 Nov 2009, at 10:43, Bernhard Lohkamp wrote:



Hi,

the automatic selection of structure factors for refinement happens  
in Refmac and not in Coot. This is one for Garib. I dont know  
exactly how Refmac chooses which structure factors to use, but it  
certainly should write the selected ones in the log file (maybe  
newer versions of refmac already do so?!). If you want to make sure  
Refmac uses the structure factors you want, then select the  
corresponding option and do not trust Refmac to do the job for you.  
Furthermore you probably should work with the original mtz file when  
doing refinement. In that case there wont be too many different  
options to pick the 'wrong' structure factors for refinement as well.


Hope this helps,

B

P.S. Kevin, I guess you misunderstood the problem. It's about SF  
used in refmac (via Coot) rather than (auto)open mtz files.



Dear Paul,

There seems to be a problem with the automatic asignment for F and  
SIGF when using a file from phaser (processed by autoproc). The  
FCTR column seems to be used instead of F but there is no reference  
what has been used in the logfile (sample attached). Unfortunately  
the only indication something went wrong is the high R-Factor,  
which in this case could also be due to the fact that the MR  
solution is incorrect.


Best rega refmac-from-coot-0.log rds,

Alexander

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Re: [COOT] Automatic column asignment for refmac

2009-11-30 Thread Garib Murshudov
Yes. It should and I will add it now. I do not think refmac writes  
this info into the output file but it will do in one or two days time.


GArib

On 30 Nov 2009, at 11:32, Bernhard Lohkamp wrote:



Alexander,

Do you see a way to include in the refmac-from-coot logfile which  
mtz columns were used?
No, since, as mentioned earlier, this is a refmac decision. However  
I agree that the refmac log file should tell you which column was  
used when automatically picking SF (maybe it does already, Garib?).


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Re: [COOT] A problem about peptide link of special residues

2009-02-18 Thread Garib Murshudov
Have you declared your modified LYS as L-peptide. It should be be done  
in the beginning like:



data_comp_list
loop_
_chem_comp.id
_chem_comp.three_letter_code
_chem_comp.name
_chem_comp.group
_chem_comp.number_atoms_all
_chem_comp.number_atoms_nh
_chem_comp.desc_level
LYS  LYS 'LYSINE  'L-peptide  22   9 .

Garib

On 19 Feb 2009, at 01:30, Feng Yu wrote:


Hi, all

   I have a protein which contains a modified Lys. I have imported  
the correct
cif file, so coot can identify and refine this residue well. But the  
problem is that
the peptide bond between this modified Lys and the normal residue is  
broken. I

wonder how to fix this problem?

   Coot version is coot-0.52

   Thank you!

Feng Yu, yuf...@sinap.ac.cn
Feb 19, 2009