[CoTyroneMailingList] Richey in Tyrone

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I am searching for Joseph Richey from county Tyrone. Born: 7 June 1748. That is 
all i know about his Irish information.Thanks, Mike

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

Lisa,



The births and marriage were before the start of statutory registration in
Ireland (1864 for births and 1845 for non RC marriages). So you will have
to search church records, where they still exist. To do that ideally you
need to know the family denomination and their townland or parish.



If it helps at all, the 1901 census for Tyrone lists just 39 Masons, 19 of
whom were Presbyterian and the remainder Church of Ireland or Methodist. So
those seem the likely denominations. Methodism didn’t get going as a
separate denomination in Ireland till 1816 at the earliest, and the 1870s
at the latest. There are no Methodist marriages in Ireland prior to 1835.
Most Methodists were originally Church of Ireland.



Mason is not a native Irish name and the fact that all the Masons in Tyrone
were either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland points to them being
incomers, either from Scotland (likely for the Presbyterians) or perhaps
from England. Most are likely to have arrived in the 1600s.



If you don’t know where your family originated, you could look at Griffiths
Valuation which lists where Mason families could be found in the county in
1859.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch



There were only 19 listed and in just 7 or 8 parishes. Griffiths isn’t a
census and so doesn’t list every single household but in the absence of
other clues it’s somewhere to start. I would focus on Church of Ireland and
Presbyterian records within the 7 or 8 parishes. Copies of most of those
records are in PRONI in Belfast and you need to go there in person to look
them up. Not all early church records have survived. Some were never kept
in the first place and many Church of Ireland records have been lost due to
the 1922 fire, but many do exist.



Good luck.





Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM, Lisa Audette via CoTyroneList <
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> Thank you all for your continued emails. I find them fascinating and just
> love the history. I too am searching for my ancestors in County Tyrone and
> am planning planning a trip next year to celebrate my 50th! My first time
> to Ireland.
>
> I am looking for the MASON family. Samuel Curtiss Mason born 1808
> somewhere in County Tyrone. He married Mary Ann Tate born 1811 (can't find
> proof for her last name just found it on someone else's tree). Can't find
> anything to show them leaving Ireland together.  But I feel they would have
> married first before emigrating. Their first child James was born in Clarke
> Township, Durham County, Canada in 1834. After many children Samuel and
> Mary then moved to Port Austin Michigan in 1871. Most of the children went
> to the USA but my family line moved from Durham to St Williams in Norfolk
> County Ontario.
>
> I'm looking for other Mason's in County Tyrone. Or members of the Tate
> family.
>
> Interestingly I did my DNA and found a high match in Dungannon. Her family
> includes McKnights and McIntyres! I started her tree but can't find the
> connection.
>
> My sister proposed that the MASON family  was originally from Scotland and
> moved to Ireland Nothing to prove that... just a thought.
>
> Any help, guidance, information or suggestions re research would be most
> appreciated!
>
> Many thanks!!
>
> Lisa Mason-Audette
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland

[Lisa Audette via CoTyroneList]

Thank you all for your continued emails. I find them fascinating and just love 
the history. I too am searching for my ancestors in County Tyrone and am 
planning planning a trip next year to celebrate my 50th! My first time to 
Ireland.
I am looking for the MASON family. Samuel Curtiss Mason born 1808 somewhere in 
County Tyrone. He married Mary Ann Tate born 1811 (can't find proof for her 
last name just found it on someone else's tree). Can't find anything to show 
them leaving Ireland together.  But I feel they would have married first before 
emigrating. Their first child James was born in Clarke Township, Durham County, 
Canada in 1834. After many children Samuel and Mary then moved to Port Austin 
Michigan in 1871. Most of the children went to the USA but my family line moved 
from Durham to St Williams in Norfolk County Ontario.
I'm looking for other Mason's in County Tyrone. Or members of the Tate family.
Interestingly I did my DNA and found a high match in Dungannon. Her family 
includes McKnights and McIntyres! I started her tree but can't find the 
connection.
My sister proposed that the MASON family  was originally from Scotland and 
moved to Ireland Nothing to prove that... just a thought.
Any help, guidance, information or suggestions re research would be most 
appreciated!
Many thanks!!
Lisa Mason-Audette

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn

Len Swindley

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”

We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..

I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.


Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?

Thanks again

Rick Smoll



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Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks for your response and information!

Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!

Thanks again!



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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the 
Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are 
the 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders)
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient
store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for
their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according
to the manner of England.”



We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list
of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would
suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329
of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630
and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2
counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would
expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates
that didn't keep records..



I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they
hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.





Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt
> phonetically in the past.
>
>
>
> The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon
> political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to
> their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once
> peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry
> in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of
> the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.
>
>
>
> My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your
> forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
>
> Regards, Len Swindley
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
> *From:* Rick Smoll 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
> *To:* len_swind...@hotmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland
> (kilskeery)
>
> Thanks Len
> I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony
> de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether
> this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you
> guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Rick Smoll
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Len Swindley 
> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> Cc: rsmoll999 
> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm
> Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland
> (kilskeery)
>
> There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both
> mustered in the Town of Strabane:
>
> Robert MORISON (sic)
> David MORRISON
> Extracted from *Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630* (Ulster
> Historical Foundation)
>
> Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?
>
> Hope this clarifies things,
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
> --
> *From:* CoTyroneList  on behalf
> of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM
> *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
> *Cc:* rsmoll999
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland
> (kilskeery)
>
> Thanks for your response and information!
>
> Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for
> records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the
> 1600s ... only about 6 more to go!
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
>
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.
>
>  Original message 
> From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
> Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" 
> Cc: elwyn soutter 
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland
> (kilskeery)
>
> Rick,
>
> There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part
> of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we
> really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in
> Scotland they came from.  But there are no lists of the tenants that
> accompanied them.
>
> However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster
> Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area
> post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from
> another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins.
>
>
> Elwyn
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I was able to 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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From: Rick Smoll 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?

Thanks again

Rick Smoll



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From: Len Swindley 
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
Cc: rsmoll999 
Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks for your response and information!

Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!

Thanks again!



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 Original message 
From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
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Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the 
Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are 
the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came 
from.  But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them.

However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. 
That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, 
either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of 
Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins.


Elwyn

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hello All,
I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it 
last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison 
on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison 
(for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have 
been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know 
when.

Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding 
individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ 
colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)?

Thanks!

Rick Smoll

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