[Coworking] Re: 24/7?
Thanks for the input, everyone! On Sep 19, 11:55 am, Jacob Sayles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. Community IS the security. That should have been listed first in our plan. It is now! Jacob On 9/19/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the four value pillars set the conditions for getting beyond security and externalized trust models: 1. Collaboration 2. Openness 3. Community 4. Sustainability Especially the community part. In the past (almost) year we've been open, only a few small issues have come up: someone walked off with a power adapter they thought was theirs, a group using the space for the event left behind a mess and a few books from the library have taken extended leaves of absence (but they find their way back eventually). We don't do any 'advertising', only fostering a positive word of mouth within our community. We meet everyone who walks through the door. It makes for a very positive environment. People contribute to the space because of it, too. They don't see us as 'owners' - they all 'own' it. We couldn't afford to do the whole security camera, etc. model anyway, but we are looking into a card key system for all spaces that want to participate that will tie us into coworkination and help us track usage and who is there. But once again, it's based on a community model, not a security model. Tara On 9/19/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, many of us? I'm not sure I've heard of any...! At least from a come one, come all sense. Our tenants have 24 hour access but only because we give them keys. In reality people are in the office from around 10am - 6pm during the week, less on the weekends (it's like a regular work schedule!). Occasionally folks will stay late, or we'll host evening events, but we certainly don't advertise or offer our space to drop-ins past 6pm unless a key-holder happens to be staying late and doesn't mind the company. Citizen Space also doesn't staff the space -- that is, we don't make our tenants responsible for keeping the place open for drop-ins. We learned that lesson the hard way with our first space: it's better to charge folks for a consistent service that they're going to use than to try to also get those same folks to take up responsibility for running the place. That said, if your model is to offer open doors and charge, say, hourly, then having dedicated staff to do so is probably a good idea; in that case, however, due to both the changing of the guard and the element of randomness in your patrons, it's sometimes harder to predict what might or might not go wrong (hence the need for insurance and whatnot). We've been very fortunate to have found reliable and responsible people to fill our space; we carry insurance of course, but also know that we can trust our tenants. We haven't needed to invest in any additional security (knock on wood) and instead rely on each citizen to treat and protect the space as they wood their own office. Judging from your website, your model seems a bit different from ours, in which case I'll condition my comments by saying that what we do won't necessarily work for everyone. It's really more important that you figure out and define for yourself what kind of culture and community you want to create and nurture and then make your decisions accordingly. We still don't require agreements (of any kind) with our tenants and in the 10 months that we've been running our space, haven't had an issue. We've maintained this aspect of the space as a design decision in order to enculturate a sense of trust and responsibility in our members. We treat them like the adults that they are, and we expect the same in return. Not surprisingly, the culture of Citizen Space, at least to me, seems to exude trust and pride. If you set up rules and protections against what might (or might not) someday happen, your potential customers will treat you the same way -- and will potentially shield themselves from you and from investing themselves in your space. Every little decision that we make in setting up our coworking spaces has ongoing consequences, and that's why it's worth reconsidering everything that you've been told you should do. Just because it worked for someone else before, or because someone else got screwed in the past and says that you should protect yourself in such a way as to distrust by default, doesn't mean that it's the right thing for you to do (and I'm not making any assumptions, only pointing out a general principle). So, with that, I'm not sure trying to stay open 24/7 makes sense. Or, if it does, play it by ear -- and if you suddenly have 15 people showing up wanting access 24/7 that they're willing to pay for, make a move then. There's no sense in
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
Johnny, these are beautiful. I love the starfish! To echo Tara's concern about one-color/greyscale, I'd love to see your basic starfish shape transposed to the barcamp-style layout, too. (http://flickr.com/photos/hillaryandanna/1369795451/) It would be awesome to have a logotype that could take several forms for different purposes. Hillary On Sep 19, 7:38 am, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Chris, I am mocking up a few more now. I also want to send you a typestudy, see if any thing there tickles your fancy. The typefaces I used were chosen due to their neutral nature. Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:57 AM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo Also, you might check out the explanation of the CoWorking Institute's logo: http://www.smartmobs.com/2007/09/14/the-idea-of-working-together-for-... I think that the starfish is a good symbol and I really like John's efforts so far. I'm not sold on the typefaces but I think his shape is a good direction... Chris On 9/18/07, Sean O'Steen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love John Bilotta's latest submissions! Especially #2 (black starfish, yellow background). Plus, the broad starfish will allow derivative works to add small logos and/or country colors within. Very nice! Sean --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Friday: W'Burg CoWorking Open House + Happy Hour(s)
i've added this to the blog i wish i could be there! http://blog.coworking.info/2007/09/20/21-sept-an-invite-to-brooklyn-coworkings-metamorphosed-location/ On Sep 20, 5:48 am, beka economopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Williamsburg Co-Working Open House and Happy Hour Friday, September 21 10-5pm Open House 5-7pm Happy Hour(s) @ The Change You Want To See Gallery and Convergence Stage 84 Havemeyer Street, at Metropolitan Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11211 Hey there, The Change You Want To See Gallery hosts evening programming pertaining to art, technology, activism, and academia. Recent events include Glowlab's Conflux Festival, ITP's Tactical Media Conference, and presentations by The Yes Men, the Freegan activists, artist Giana Gonazalez, and filmmaker Astra Taylor. During the day we host Williamsburg Co-Working - a cafe-like community and collaborative work space. Since we've recently renovated and expanded we're taking on new co-workers starting in October, and you're invited to scope out the scene this Friday. Come work during the day, and/or join us in the evening for drinks and cocktails. More info below - forward freely. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tired of complaining to your cat about broken code or a bad client? Wondering what is the next wave of social software? Looking for an invigorating environment to call an office? You are invited to Williamsburg Co-Working's open house and happy hour! Break free from hourly coffee purchases and grab a slice of Williamsburg's alternative working community - co-working at The Change You Want to See Gallery - a cafe-like community and collaboration space for developers, writers and independents. These types of grassroots coworking spaces are popping up all over the world, from San Francisco, to Paris, to a few here in New York City... Join us this Friday, 21 September. From 10 am to 5pm, our doors will be open for anyone to come on by and give us a try. Bring a laptop, a snack or two, manuscript, screenplay, or killer app and leave the cats behind. From 5pm to 7pm, we will host a happy hour(s)! Bring a treat or two and get ready to let your hair down. Who are we? Writers, Programmers, Organizers, Artists, Theorists, Activists, Bloggers, and Adventure Seekers... When you join the coworking space you get: · a community of like minded folks · an affordable monthly rate (and options by the day) · a flux of interesting people · networking and expertise · free wifi · printer and scanner · coffee · beer-o-clock · quiet focused work environment with a dose of social thrown in If you have questions feel free to email us at info[at]thechangeyouwanttosee[dot]org Cost: Free!!! When: Friday, 21 September, Open House: 10am-5pm, Happy Hour: 5pm-7pm Where: The Change You Want to See Gallery, 84 Havemeyer, Willamsburg, Brooklyn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
We'll let the folks at pbwiki know. Seems like an issue for everyone. On 9/20/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, the wiki editor crashes my firefox browser *every* time (i'm on windows xp, too). i finally just decided to use IE Tab to switch over to IE before editing. haven't tried since the upgrade to 2.0.0.7, but don't expect to see a difference. hh On Sep 17, 10:49 am, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I finally got a chance to mock up some coworking logos. Wanted to get everybody's opinion... http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo#jbiljr I am working on a couple more, and will get them up as soon as I can. I did have a problem uploading these. When I went to login the wiki kept crashing my browser. Can anybody shed some light on this? I am using Firefox on a windoze XP machine. Thanks all! Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tara Hunt Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:24 AM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo I quite like the simplicity of these, Hill. T. On 9/13/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a logo designer by any stretch of the imagination, but I put a few mockups out there for review: http://flickr.com/photos/hillaryandanna/1369795451/(click thru to next 2 files, too) I also put them on the wiki with some color commentary: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo My basic thought is that many of the ideas out there so far are too busy to be a simple, extensible, community mark. Something that acts as a call to action (as someone else said) and can be very easily modified. Think coworking sf, coworking philly, coworking boulder, etc... just like BarCamp. $0.02... Hillary On Sep 11, 11:31 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock it up! :) We tried the skinny star but it looked odd on our end...maybe you can do better. T -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] citizen space photos
Hey guys, I had the pleasure of visiting citizen space yesterday, and just put up a blog post with photos/notes for some of our local efforts here in Orlando. I figured I'd share the link with the group, and if you guys have any comments/suggestions/insight/corrections/whatever, let us know! :) http://www.alexrudloff.com/2007/09/20/citizen-space/ Best, Alex -- http://alex.emurse.com/ http://www.alexrudloff.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: citizen space photos
Thanks for taking those and posting them, Alex! It was great to have you by. Sorry we didn't get to focus on Orlando too long (for those of you not there, we had a reporter there asking about coworking, so we were talking about the movement in general). T On 9/20/07, Alexander Rudloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I had the pleasure of visiting citizen space yesterday, and just put up a blog post with photos/notes for some of our local efforts here in Orlando. I figured I'd share the link with the group, and if you guys have any comments/suggestions/insight/corrections/whatever, let us know! :) http://www.alexrudloff.com/2007/09/20/citizen-space/ Best, Alex -- http://alex.emurse.com/ http://www.alexrudloff.com/ -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
I already forwarded this issue, and it's been sent to engineering. Thanks for all the reports and sorry for the inconvenience! Chris On 9/20/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll let the folks at pbwiki know. Seems like an issue for everyone. On 9/20/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, the wiki editor crashes my firefox browser *every* time (i'm on windows xp, too). i finally just decided to use IE Tab to switch over to IE before editing. haven't tried since the upgrade to 2.0.0.7, but don't expect to see a difference. hh On Sep 17, 10:49 am, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I finally got a chance to mock up some coworking logos. Wanted to get everybody's opinion... http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo#jbiljr I am working on a couple more, and will get them up as soon as I can. I did have a problem uploading these. When I went to login the wiki kept crashing my browser. Can anybody shed some light on this? I am using Firefox on a windoze XP machine. Thanks all! Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tara Hunt Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:24 AM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo I quite like the simplicity of these, Hill. T. On 9/13/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a logo designer by any stretch of the imagination, but I put a few mockups out there for review: http://flickr.com/photos/hillaryandanna/1369795451/(click thru to next 2 files, too) I also put them on the wiki with some color commentary: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo My basic thought is that many of the ideas out there so far are too busy to be a simple, extensible, community mark. Something that acts as a call to action (as someone else said) and can be very easily modified. Think coworking sf, coworking philly, coworking boulder, etc... just like BarCamp. $0.02... Hillary On Sep 11, 11:31 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock it up! :) We tried the skinny star but it looked odd on our end...maybe you can do better. T -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo
Sure, you forwarded it, but I sent it to David (cc'ing Hillary) and they are working on it as we speak. :) It's good to be able to bug the CEO. T On 9/21/07, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already forwarded this issue, and it's been sent to engineering. Thanks for all the reports and sorry for the inconvenience! Chris On 9/20/07, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll let the folks at pbwiki know. Seems like an issue for everyone. On 9/20/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, the wiki editor crashes my firefox browser *every* time (i'm on windows xp, too). i finally just decided to use IE Tab to switch over to IE before editing. haven't tried since the upgrade to 2.0.0.7, but don't expect to see a difference. hh On Sep 17, 10:49 am, John Bilotta Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I finally got a chance to mock up some coworking logos. Wanted to get everybody's opinion... http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo#jbiljr I am working on a couple more, and will get them up as soon as I can. I did have a problem uploading these. When I went to login the wiki kept crashing my browser. Can anybody shed some light on this? I am using Firefox on a windoze XP machine. Thanks all! Johnny web / graphic designer 609-680-8247 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbiljr.com -Original Message- From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tara Hunt Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:24 AM To: coworking@googlegroups.com Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Logo I quite like the simplicity of these, Hill. T. On 9/13/07, Hillary Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a logo designer by any stretch of the imagination, but I put a few mockups out there for review: http://flickr.com/photos/hillaryandanna/1369795451/(click thru to next 2 files, too) I also put them on the wiki with some color commentary: http://coworking.pbwiki.com/Logo My basic thought is that many of the ideas out there so far are too busy to be a simple, extensible, community mark. Something that acts as a call to action (as someone else said) and can be very easily modified. Think coworking sf, coworking philly, coworking boulder, etc... just like BarCamp. $0.02... Hillary On Sep 11, 11:31 am, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mock it up! :) We tried the skinny star but it looked odd on our end...maybe you can do better. T -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog:www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt co-founder CMO Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
