[Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Eric Lituchy]

Look at Kisi (getkisi.com). They work with a bunch of cowork spaces and have a 
really cool solution.

Good luck, Eric

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Re: [Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Alex Hillman]

I mentioned in a previous post that we use a little piece of software that
our call box actually calls so that instead of the office phone ringing for
every single person who wants to be let in, they can let themselves in with
a code they get as a member.

Some folks have asked if we could share the code for that software, so here
it is: https://github.com/indyhall/intercom/

It costs us $9/month in hosting and...maybe $10-20/month in Twilio credits
 to keep this running.

Fair warning, this is completely undocumented at this point, and isn't
really "designed" at all, just the standard user interface that Django
spits out.

But...it works, and allows us to generate a custom codes for as many
members as we want instead of having to manually buzz them in.

It even create membership groups with time restrictions so you can allow
peoples' codes to only work during certain hours.




It tracks usage too through an audit trail.




It'll take some elbow grease and knowledge of Django/Python programming to
get up and running, and I recommend recording your own greetings unless you
want to welcome people to Indy Hall (though you can hear ours, including
some of the fun hidden "easter eggs" Adam recorded).

If someone gets this up and running and wants to contribute documentation,
I'll happily accept pull requests :)

-Alex




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On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Eric Lituchy  wrote:

> Look at Kisi (getkisi.com). They work with a bunch of cowork spaces and
> have a really cool solution.
>
> Good luck, Eric
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Re: [Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Alex Hillman]

I agree about trying to limit the number of entrances. For me that's
partially about security but also just as much about making it easier to
walk through the space and see other members than it is to find the nearest
exit and duck out to lunch unnoticed. A single exit/entrance is just
better choice architecture, and you can reserve the other exits for
emergencies only.

One option for security I haven't seen many other places is a call box
based locking system. Outside of a door, you place a box with a keypad.
That keypad can be programmed to call one or more phone numbers depending
on the code entered into the keypad. When the phone on the other end is
picked up, you can talk through the box to the visitor or press a button on
your phone (usually 9) to send a tone and the box triggers an unlocking
mechanism in the door. When the door closes, the lock is set again.

This is great for a few reasons:

1) if it's a shared entrance (like you mentioned Carly) you can have
different codes on the door pad call different tenants numbers. Eg. One of
them can be for your Coworking space while the other can be for the
business upstairs.

2) it's personal - you can actually greet each person who wants to gain
access. If that sounds like an impossible waste of time, it could be,
except...

3) it's automate-able! We have our call box set up to call a number that's
hooked up to a little piece of software that plays pre-recorded greetings.
It's personal, but automatic. Guests get instructions to dial 0, and the
call is routed to our team to buzz them in. Members can skip the greeting
by typing in a unique 6 digit code we provide them. If that code is valid,
and it's between the hours that the code is allowed to work based on their
membership, the software automates the tone of pressing 9 and buzzes them
in.

Ongoing cost is very low, about $10 worth of credits to Twilio, the company
that provides the connection between the phone number and the software.

Setup cost was around $1000-1200 per door (we only have one).

-Alex

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015, Adolfo Taylhardat 
wrote:

> Thank you Jacob.
> Very valuable insights and I agree with Jerome as to try to limit to just
> one door per floor.
> We opened TamboWorks a month ago and are still playing with the options.
> We like Kisi very much as it integrates with our Nexudus system but the
> monthly fee makes it very expensive overall.
> Looking at all possible options.
> Best.
>
> Adolfo Taylhardat
> TamboWorks Miami
>
>
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:17:11 PM UTC-4, Carly Nix wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> Wanted to resurrect the topic of locks. I saw some past threads about
>> this, and wonder if there are any updates to what folks would recommend
>> since last year. At Industry Lab we've been looking into different lock
>> upgrade options, and haven't settled on a best bet yet. Here's our
>> situation:
>>
>>- We're in a building with 2 exterior entrances
>>- Our space spans 3 floors with 8 points of entry
>>- We share the building with other tenants
>>- Don't have tons of money to throw at this problem.
>>
>> Any thoughts? What's worked for other spaces?
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Carly Nix]

Thanks for all the great ideas everyone! :D

Anyone considered trying hotel door locks?

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Alex Hillman 
wrote:

> I agree about trying to limit the number of entrances. For me that's
> partially about security but also just as much about making it easier to
> walk through the space and see other members than it is to find the nearest
> exit and duck out to lunch unnoticed. A single exit/entrance is just
> better choice architecture, and you can reserve the other exits for
> emergencies only.
>
> One option for security I haven't seen many other places is a call box
> based locking system. Outside of a door, you place a box with a keypad.
> That keypad can be programmed to call one or more phone numbers depending
> on the code entered into the keypad. When the phone on the other end is
> picked up, you can talk through the box to the visitor or press a button on
> your phone (usually 9) to send a tone and the box triggers an unlocking
> mechanism in the door. When the door closes, the lock is set again.
>
> This is great for a few reasons:
>
> 1) if it's a shared entrance (like you mentioned Carly) you can have
> different codes on the door pad call different tenants numbers. Eg. One of
> them can be for your Coworking space while the other can be for the
> business upstairs.
>
> 2) it's personal - you can actually greet each person who wants to gain
> access. If that sounds like an impossible waste of time, it could be,
> except...
>
> 3) it's automate-able! We have our call box set up to call a number that's
> hooked up to a little piece of software that plays pre-recorded greetings.
> It's personal, but automatic. Guests get instructions to dial 0, and the
> call is routed to our team to buzz them in. Members can skip the greeting
> by typing in a unique 6 digit code we provide them. If that code is valid,
> and it's between the hours that the code is allowed to work based on their
> membership, the software automates the tone of pressing 9 and buzzes them
> in.
>
> Ongoing cost is very low, about $10 worth of credits to Twilio, the
> company that provides the connection between the phone number and the
> software.
>
> Setup cost was around $1000-1200 per door (we only have one).
>
> -Alex
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015, Adolfo Taylhardat 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Jacob.
>> Very valuable insights and I agree with Jerome as to try to limit to just
>> one door per floor.
>> We opened TamboWorks a month ago and are still playing with the options.
>> We like Kisi very much as it integrates with our Nexudus system but the
>> monthly fee makes it very expensive overall.
>> Looking at all possible options.
>> Best.
>>
>> Adolfo Taylhardat
>> TamboWorks Miami
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:17:11 PM UTC-4, Carly Nix wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Wanted to resurrect the topic of locks. I saw some past threads about
>>> this, and wonder if there are any updates to what folks would recommend
>>> since last year. At Industry Lab we've been looking into different lock
>>> upgrade options, and haven't settled on a best bet yet. Here's our
>>> situation:
>>>
>>>- We're in a building with 2 exterior entrances
>>>- Our space spans 3 floors with 8 points of entry
>>>- We share the building with other tenants
>>>- Don't have tons of money to throw at this problem.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? What's worked for other spaces?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Jacob Sayles]

Lots of thoughts on this one as I've helped The Red Victorian coliving
hotel in SF, Creative Blueprint here in Seattle, and of course our
coworking space, Office Nomads. Your setup is going to cost a fair amount.
For a real integrated system I don't see how you are going to get away with
anything less then $5K.

For Creative Blueprint we are going with simple residential keypad solution
on 2 doors.  We will have to program each code at each door and that will
get annoying fast but the price point ($250 for 2) is right for getting
started.  Can't give you a review yet as the hardware is coming in the mail
this week.

You can use the Lockstate Remote Lock like Angel uses.  They have a central
system so you don't have to program each door, but you rely on their
servers and their hardware gets poor reviews.  These are $250/door.  They
have a beefier model that is more expensive but also maybe more robust?
Haven't played with these systems so I can't say much.

For The Red Victorian we created our own system.  This ended up costing
about $1K/door.  This has the most flexibility as I wrote all the code, but
they have had some reliability issues.  I've only ever made one door
controller so I'm not surprised I didn't get all the bugs worked out on my
first try.  The flexibility is important for that application though as I'm
issuing unique codes for each reservation and expiring them right away.
Eventually we will use remotely programable residential units at each room
for around $250/door.  30 doors, so that is going to get expensive.

For Office Nomads we originally dropped about $4K on an ISONAS system.
This is only for 2 doors but each door needs a strike and a commercial
grade lock.  We've expanded it to 3 doors now but I strongly do not
recommend going ISONAS.  After years of dealing with their software and
their company we are jumping ship.  We are currently in the process of
switching to HID Edge Solo hardware ($1K for 3 doors minus door strikes and
installation).  I'm going to be able to program these from Nadine, our
coworking management system, and I'm pretty excited about the
possibilities.

Not sure if that helps or answers specific questions.  I've gone 4
different ways in 3 different installs.

Jacob

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Jerome Chang 
wrote:

> Most lock solutions are $. I would recommend limiting access to just one
> door per floor, and make the others either exit-only, or entry during biz
> hours only.
>
>
> *JEROME CHANG*
>
> *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire*
> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | ph: (323) 330-9505
>
> *EAST: Downtown*
> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | ph: (213) 550-2235
>
>
> *NORTH: Pasadena (Opening 2016 Q1!)600 E. Colorado Blvd. (@Los Robles)*
> 
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Carly Nix  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Wanted to resurrect the topic of locks. I saw some past threads about
> this, and wonder if there are any updates to what folks would recommend
> since last year. At Industry Lab we've been looking into different lock
> upgrade options, and haven't settled on a best bet yet. Here's our
> situation:
>
>- We're in a building with 2 exterior entrances
>- Our space spans 3 floors with 8 points of entry
>- We share the building with other tenants
>- Don't have tons of money to throw at this problem.
>
> Any thoughts? What's worked for other spaces?
>
>
>
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Re: [Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Jerome Chang]

Most lock solutions are $. I would recommend limiting access to just one door 
per floor, and make the others either exit-only, or entry during biz hours only.


JEROME CHANG

CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire
5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | ph: (323) 330-9505


EAST: Downtown
529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | ph: (213) 550-2235

NORTH: Pasadena (Opening 2016 Q1!)
600 E. Colorado Blvd. (@Los Robles)


On Oct 26, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Carly Nix  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> Wanted to resurrect the topic of locks. I saw some past threads about this, 
> and wonder if there are any updates to what folks would recommend since last 
> year. At Industry Lab we've been looking into different lock upgrade options, 
> and haven't settled on a best bet yet. Here's our situation:
> We're in a building with 2 exterior entrances
> Our space spans 3 floors with 8 points of entry
> We share the building with other tenants
> Don't have tons of money to throw at this problem.
> Any thoughts? What's worked for other spaces?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Coworking] Locks! (Smart and not-so-smart.)

[Carly Nix]

Hey everyone,

Wanted to resurrect the topic of locks. I saw some past threads about this, 
and wonder if there are any updates to what folks would recommend since 
last year. At Industry Lab we've been looking into different lock upgrade 
options, and haven't settled on a best bet yet. Here's our situation:

   - We're in a building with 2 exterior entrances
   - Our space spans 3 floors with 8 points of entry
   - We share the building with other tenants
   - Don't have tons of money to throw at this problem.

Any thoughts? What's worked for other spaces?


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