Re: Jim Bell Trial: Second Day

2001-04-11 Thread Bill Stewart

At 10:30 AM 04/06/2001 +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> > The next witness was Hilda Wong Muramoto who is a subpoena manager for 
> @Home
>...
>"subpoena manager"? What in Tacoma is a "subpoena manager"? Do subpoenas
>need managing?
>It sounds like they employ someone just to get sued.  Presumably that
>means she is a PR clone or a lawyer. Why should a PR type know anything
>about DNS & SMTP, any more than I (or Choate)  should be an expert on
>the law?

Any large company, particularly in the telecom business,
gets lots of subpoenas, lawsuits, etc., and it makes sense to have
somebody in their corporate legal department who's the front end
for managing that sort of thing.  Telecom companies not only
have regulatory issues that generate lots of paperwork,
sometimes initiated by the company, sometimes by governments,
and sometimes by third parties (often the competition),
but they also have lots of trucks and backhoes digging up streets,
which leads to whole rafts of opportunities for lawyers :-)

A particularly special case is wiretap requests and similar
demands for information about customers.  You *don't* want those to be
handled by some random droid - you want them to be handled by a
lawyer who's got lots of clue about what kinds of requests are legal,
what are non-supportable fishing expeditions, where the boundaries are,
what to do with requests that might divulge information about non-named 
parties,
and how to find the right people in the 
to deal with any requests that they are going to honor.
Ideally, you'd want this lawyer to be a junkyard dog 
too-cranky-for-the-ACLU type,
rather than someone who rolls over if asked nicely,
but there's also a lot of need for responding to subpoenas for
billing records in civil disputes where you'd expect the carrier to respond.





Re: Jim Bell Trial: Second Day

2001-04-09 Thread Declan McCullagh


She wasn't a lawyer; your PR clone suspicion is correct.

She was not a technologist. Her function was only to testify that 
an IP address matched an account.

Bell's lawyer on cross-examination never raised the point that a message
posted to cpunx goes through multiple servers (including the majordomo
ones), all of which have the opportunity to add false headers to the
message.

-Declan


On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:30:25AM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Second Day:  Jim Bell trial
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> > The next witness was Hilda Wong Muramoto who is a subpoena manager for @Home
> > Corporation.  In direct testimony she stated that Bell had a cable modem
> > account, that the "DNS designation and sub-domain" as well as the IP address
> > were hard-wired, and that the account did not cover dial-up connections.
> >  She said that the IP address was 24.16.209.166 and that the DNS number
> > was C1099371-A.  The DNS name that was captured in the e-mail that Bell
> > allegedly sent to cypherpunks was encrv1.wa.home.com.  She claimed that
> > those "numbers" could not appear on anyone else's e-mail.
> 
> "subpoena manager"? What in Tacoma is a "subpoena manager"? Do subpoenas
> need managing? 
> 
> It sounds like they employ someone just to get sued.  Presumably that
> means she is a PR clone or a lawyer. Why should a PR type know anything
> about DNS & SMTP, any more than I (or Choate)  should be an expert on
> the law?
> 
> If I was a grumpy judge and a company sent me a "subpoena manager" I
> would be very tempted to send them right back & get someone who knew
> what they are talking about.
> 
> Ken
> 




Re: Jim Bell Trial: Second Day

2001-04-06 Thread Ken Brown

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Second Day:  Jim Bell trial

[...]


> The next witness was Hilda Wong Muramoto who is a subpoena manager for @Home
> Corporation.  In direct testimony she stated that Bell had a cable modem
> account, that the "DNS designation and sub-domain" as well as the IP address
> were hard-wired, and that the account did not cover dial-up connections.
>  She said that the IP address was 24.16.209.166 and that the DNS number
> was C1099371-A.  The DNS name that was captured in the e-mail that Bell
> allegedly sent to cypherpunks was encrv1.wa.home.com.  She claimed that
> those "numbers" could not appear on anyone else's e-mail.

"subpoena manager"? What in Tacoma is a "subpoena manager"? Do subpoenas
need managing? 

It sounds like they employ someone just to get sued.  Presumably that
means she is a PR clone or a lawyer. Why should a PR type know anything
about DNS & SMTP, any more than I (or Choate)  should be an expert on
the law?

If I was a grumpy judge and a company sent me a "subpoena manager" I
would be very tempted to send them right back & get someone who knew
what they are talking about.

Ken




Jim Bell Trial: Second Day

2001-04-05 Thread auto211076

Second Day:  Jim Bell trial

The second day of the Jim Bell trial opened up with D.A. London making a 
motion to tell the jury that Bell had owned firearms in the past although 
he hasn't had any since the 1997 trial.  According to London, the fact that 
Bell had had a gun in the past was a reasonable basis for federal agents' 
current fear of Bell.

Defense attorney Leen pointed out that free speech could be a cause for 
fear in some people, but that nobody would reasonably constrain speech. 
 Leen said that firearms possession is constitutionally protected, and that 
this was true for Bell up until 1997.  The fact that he was exercising a 
constitutionally-protected right could not be held against him.

London said that the weapons were seized in 1997.  Bell designated a friend 
to receive the firearms when the IRS returned them in 2000, which by definition 
would mean that Bell was no longer in possession of them.  Leen pointed 
out that there was absolutely no evidence of current possession by Bell 
or of Bell contacting his friend regarding the weapons.  Bell had made no 
attempt to acquire firearms.

London suggested that Bell should retract his essay Assassination Politics. 
 Bell protested the suggestion, and Judge Tanner threatened to either muzzle 
Bell or move him downstairs to a viewing room.  London claimed that AP alone 
was a sufficient threat to the treasury agent witnesses.

The court ruled that London could introduce the firearm evidence.

The court then took up the matter of Bell's remaining subpoenas for Joanne 
Mayita and Anne Marie Evans, both of the U.S. Attorneys Office.  London 
moved to quash the subpoenas.  Leen pointed out that in-district subpoenas 
don't need to go through the court.  Miyeta was the prosecutor for Ryan 
Lund's case.  Bell believe Lund received consideration from the U.S. Attorney's 
Office to intimidate Bell while they were both incarcerated at the Seatac 
facility into signing a plea agreement in 1997.  Evans was a prosecutor 
in the 1997 Bell case, and Bell claims that she was aware of the Lund deal. 
 Tanner ruled to quash the subpoenas.

After this ruling, Bell twice banged the defense table with his hand.  Tanner 
warned that any subsequent display would mean removal, and ordered the downstairs 
viewing room to be prepared.  Shortly thereafter, Tanner told Bell to move 
over one seat to the end of the table, leaving a chair between him and his 
attorney.  His attorney asked that Bell be cuffed with an ankle cuff instead 
to the chair next to him so that Bell could still conference with him.  
Leen pointed out that the jury would not be able to observe the cuff.

Leen requested limitation on testimony regarding Bell's prior legal possession 
of firearms.

Leen also brought up the interlocutory issue again, mentioning that it was 
now on the briefing calendar for the ninth.

The jury was brought in, and the first witness for the day, Robert William 
East was sworn in.  East had been Bell's friend for 15 years, and was the 
person that the IRS released Jim's guns to.  He testified that he picked 
up the firearms from the IRS' downtown Portland office in 2000 and had stored 
them with friends of his that Bell had no access to.  The firearms included 
2 SKSes, a Ruger Mini-14, and an S&W 629.

London introduced Exhibit 21, a set of lock picks.  East testified that 
he had loaned Bell a tension wrench and a pick.  East and Bell had used 
the set once to open a door at East's house, and then had never seen that 
wrench and pick again.  (There was no evidence presented that the wrench 
and pick had been recovered from Bell's house in the 11/6/2000 raid.)  East 
said that he wasn't sure when this occurred, but it was sometime before 
6/24/96, the date of an email in which he and Bell mentioned the set.

Leen objected based on relevancy.  London pointed out that he was trying 
to show that because Bell could pick a lock, he was a credible threat to 
federal agents.

On cross-examination, Leen asked if Bell had written to him while Bell was 
in prison.  East said that Bell had, and that the letters contained requests 
to look up people's names.  East stated that he wadded up the letters and 
threw them away without acting on them.

In additional testimony, East said that there had been no discussion of 
lock picks since 1996.

On re-examination, London asked East if he and Bell had discussed Sarin. 
 He said that they had discussed methylphosphodiflouride and isopropyl alchohol 
as precursors.  London brought up the Tokyo subway incident again, implying 
that Bell would use Sarin to gas federal agents.  East replied that they 
had only discussed it in relation to the Tokyo incident and that they had 
researched it purely out of curiosity about current events.

The next witness was Christopher John Groener, who lives in Mike McNall's 
former house.  McNall is an IRS agent who Bell had been researching.  Bell 
visited Groener's house in October, looking for McNall.