Re: [CREATE] LGM

[Dave Crossland]

I was thinking of organizing a small libre fonts gathering in Europe or
USA. The ATypI.org conference is in Paris in May, so I was thinking about
something in London (or Reading city) before/after that event; could also
do it in Berlin since my manager at Google is living there again atm ;) But
a lot of fonts are around New England, and I'm keen to get the parametric
axes ideas out of Font Bureau and into the wider community. If this goes
ahead outside of USA, perhaps we could figure out a way to host a larger
event for all LGM sub-communities.

Re: [CREATE] Poll about LGM 2021

[Dave Crossland]

What was the result of the poll? :)
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Re: [CREATE] glyf (i.e. contour) analysis reports on libre fonts.

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Thanks Hin-Tak! You did an amazing thing in the last year :D
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Re: [CREATE] Font Validator with rasterization (i.e. hinting) test out now!

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Great job Hin-Tak :)
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2016 London Reimbursement Form Online

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Thank you Louis! :)
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[CREATE] Fwd: Progetto grafico 30 - Open Source Technologies

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

An Italian design magazine is seeking proposals for articles on libre
graphics - see PDF attached :)

Cheers
Dave


PG30-opensourcetech-eng.pdf
Description: video/flv
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Re: [CREATE] otf•UI product vision, warm off the press...

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Another relevant thread there:
http://typedrawers.com/discussion/1135/capital-spacing#latest
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Re: [CREATE] otf•UI product vision, warm off the press...

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On 18 September 2015 at 14:50, peter sikking  wrote:

> The openType-features UI project (otf•UI) is an infrastructure project
> closely tied to Harfbuzz. It aims to drag the user-controllable openType
> features out of obscurity and make them generally, and consistently,
> available. All platforms where Harfbuzz is used—desktop, tablet and
> handheld—are in scope.
>
> Direct users of otf•UI are application developers. They get clear-cut and
> feasible solutions for integrating openType features with their
> text-editing capabilities, without the need to obtain
> openType/typographical domain knowledge.
>
> End-users of otf•UI are anyone editing rich text. They get the
> capabilities to use openType features to make their texts communicate
> better and to refine their texts’ aesthetic and typographical qualities.
>

I suggest

- replacing openType with OpenType throughout.

- removing "make their texts communicate better and to"

- distinguishing 2 classes of end-users, general public (eg slide deck
editors like LibreOffice) and typographers (eg Scribus users)
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Re: [CREATE] otf•UI product vision, warm off the press...

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Yes

On 18 September 2015 at 16:55, mray  wrote:

> On 18.09.2015 20:50, peter sikking wrote:
> > End-users of otf•UI are anyone editing rich text. They get the
> capabilities to use openType features to make their texts communicate
> better and to refine their texts’ aesthetic and typographical qualities.
>
>
> Does "getting capabilities" also include getting means to be clearly
> informed about availability of features?
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Re: [CREATE] getting started...

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Nate Willis and I will join :)
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Re: [CREATE] OpenType: summary of LGM workshop

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Inkscape taking a step forward! :) http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/?p=1442
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Re: [CREATE] [opentype] goals and repos

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On 21 May 2015 at 21:03, Felipe Sanches j...@members.fsf.org wrote:

 I'm just a bit unconfortable with the name opensource-opentype. Why not
 LibreType ? ;-)


I guess because its a nice wordplay with opentype, the MS-Adobe-ISO
standard.
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[CREATE] Bootleg videos of LGM 2015

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

I posted some bootlegs :)

Pathum Egodawatta https://youtu.be/V3Xv04O2L6A

Peter Sikking https://youtu.be/PWv20kJSbwU

More will appear in

https://plus.google.com/+DaveCrossland/posts

:)

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Re: [CREATE] Where will LGM 2017 be?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Do we have data on approximately how many participants were at previous
events and how many can we expect in future?

Cheers
Dave
On 27 Apr 2015 8:21 am, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.net wrote:

 Dear all,

 Just before the tenth edition is about to start:

 Some people expressed an interest in hosting LGM in 2017, but no formal
 proposals have been made so far.

 If you considered submitting and missed the deadline, or would like to
 discuss a proposal, please contact the 2015 and 2016 organizers, ginger
 coons (gin...@adaptstudio.ca) and/or Larisa Blazic (l...@v-ac-uum.xyz).
 You can also write to the LibreGraphicsMeeting mailing list
 http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting

 We'll discuss plans and ideas for 2017 on Saturday May 2 at 16:20, at the
 end of this years' meeting in Toronto!

 Looking forward to your ideas and suggestions,


 Femke

 //

 Libre Graphics Meeting: Call for 2017 Location

 Where will Libre Graphics Meeting take place in 2017? An important step
 towards this decision will happen in Toronto this year, on the last day of
 LGM. If you are thinking about making a proposal to host LGM 2017, here are
 some points to consider:

 Ethical and political issues
 Security issues
 Health issues
 Free software acceptance or support in the host country
 Budget and sponsoring
 Proposed dates and agenda issues with other events
 Venue and on-site infrastructure
 Travel and accommodation
 Experience of the local team at organizing such an international event
 Communication skills of the local team

 Your proposal should cover these areas and should explain why and how  you
 think your city could host the next Libre Graphics Meeting. You can  refer
 to Leipzig’s proposal for 2014 (
 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lgm_leipzig.pdf)
 or Toronto's successful 2015 proposal (
 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LGM2015TorontoProposal.pdf
 ).

 Submit your proposal as a PDF, along with your name, and the name of the
 city and country you are proposing. Submissions can be sent by email to the
 2015 and 2016 organizers, ginger coons (gin...@adaptstudio.ca) and Larisa
 Blazic (l...@v-ac-uum.xyz). Please include both Larisa and ginger on your
 email so that your submission can be processed efficiently. At the end of
 this year’s Libre Graphics Meeting you will get a chance to  introduce
 yourself and your team as well as the venue and answer questions.

 We do expect that you might need clarifications or feedback on your ideas
 before you upload your proposal, so feel free to subscribe to the
 LibreGraphicsMeeting mailing list (
 http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting) and
 post your questions there. Past and present organizers will gladly help
 you. If you want to make your proposal for a subsequent year and would like
 to let us know about it sooner, don’t hesitate to post your proposal as
 well.

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Re: [CREATE] Typographic feature UI/UX

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Hi

The android text markup and css do it already :)
On 21 Nov 2014 08:29, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote:

 On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Nathan Willis wrote:

  So I'm curious (1) if anyone else is interested in this topic, (2) if
 anyone has worked on it already, and (3) if anyone is interested in
 pursuing it further. It does seem like something it would be worth
 collaborating on a common approach to (generally speaking, I mean),
 hence my bringing it up here.


 I'm really interested. I won't be able to take action immediately, but a
 complete rewrite of krita's text tool is sort of scheduled for 2015, and
 one of the things I was wanting to implement was full support for
 typographic features.

 I haven't got a clue yet (well, a bit more after your mail) about the gui
 :-) Also, what I would need to get started is a way to store the way the
 text object uses these features in a standard file format. As far as I
 know, neither ODF nor SVG can store flags that toggle the use of these
 features.

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Re: [CREATE] Typographic feature UI/UX

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On 21 November 2014 09:20, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote:

 Do you have a link to a spec for us?


http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/

 Oh -- and is there a cross-platform library for using that? Krita's not
on Android yet.

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HarfBuzz/

https://github.com/behdad/harfbuzz/wiki#user-examples

For Android I am referring to

https://plus.google.com/+BehdadEsfahbod/posts/Y2VXm8e6XV4

http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/TextView.html#setFontFeatureSettings%28java.lang.String%29
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Re: [CREATE] Typographic feature UI/UX

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Hi

On 20 November 2014 21:45, Nathan Willis nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:

 So HarfBuzz is responsible for detecting the presence of OT tables and
 making that info available at higher levels? I thought it was focused
 on shaping pretty exclusively.


Shaping is merely OpenType features that are applied by default for the
script to work.

OpenType features that are optional also require an OpenType engine (such
as harfbuzz) to be applied.


 Obviously making the table data accessible is a prereq; I've never
 been totally clear on whether that's Freetype, HarfBuzz, or Pango's
 job


FreeType is just a rasterizer.

Pango was used to do font layout, but its conceptually separate from
Pango's main purpose, so it was removed to the separate harfbuzz library
which could be used by any text layout engine - initially also Qt, whose
dev team was duplicating the same effort to make a font shaper, and more
recently Android.

Cheers
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] LGM 2014 talks - Recordings ( Slides)

[Dave Crossland]

On 4 May 2014 22:23, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote:

 We're planning to upload the videos to
 https://www.youtube.com/user/gimpofficial


Why not make a LGM user?
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2014 - Photos

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Great job!! Thanks Alexei! :)
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Dear Louis

On 11 Apr 2014 19:36, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-04-11 10:25 GMT-04:00 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com:

 On 10 April 2014 20:08, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their
safety.

 Right, and from the earlier messages on this thread, I understood that
 at LGM2014 this assurance would be found through the University
 ombudsman, who would be requested to lead the resolution of any
 conflicts that came up.

 What mystifies me is why no one involved in the ad hoc resolution of
 this on-site requested the help of the University ombudsman.


 Hi Dave,

 I can at least answer for myself here. To be very candid, I haven’t even
thought we could ask for help at the University itself.

 When the event goes on and when things happen, you end up in your own
little world and think of the people around you first.

 However I can only guess that if we would have mentionned very clearly at
the beginning of the conference — and on our website — who to contact if
something happened, we would have gone to that person.


On the one hand, when I asked Sirko here in this thread,

Sirko, how has the invitation to the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten fared?

If they agree to attend, will their presence and how to reach them be
mentioned on the website, and will attendees be notified at the event?

Sirko did say,

Of course after I speak with [the ombudsman] and we find a way he will get
his own page on lgm.org

and the 2 suggestions I made and you reiterate did not happen, as far as I
know (not attending many announcements, eek)

On the other hand, despite the lack of a page titled COC on the website
that actually says instead of a coc there is the hosts ombudsman, and the
lack of announcements and notices, still the python software foundation is
listed as a sponsor on the website today.

So i would find it unfair to attribute the lack of the ombudsman's
involvement to the website team, or to the session masters or whatever we
call them, or to the local organizing team.

The nature of a free-association and participatory group as ours is that if
we don't like what we have, it is up to us to be the change we want to see.

So i offer the suggestion that those concerned about a CoC could have been
more proactive in working with the cards they were dealt this year.

It seems to me that everyone at the meeting Susan described did know there
was an ombudsman, didn't promote this fact preemptively, and didnt remember
it or want it brought up when there was an incident.

There was no CoC, but there was an ombudsman, and those who want a CoC
didn't make use of it.

 First, you don’t come at a conference thinking there is going to be an
incident. Hence, there is a need to make sure all participants are aware
that that *can* happen. It’s like security measures on board of a plane or
a boat, or around a swimming pool. If we are not aware of the danger, then
we cannot really react to it. And when we discover that THIS is dangerous,
it maybe well too late to react, or to react with the appropriate measures.


We were aware of the danger, this year for the first time, because the PSF
wants us to be aware of it, and we had a huge discussion about it.

This situation is that we asked a lifeguard to stick around on the weekend
for our pool party, he was taking lunch inside the club house the whole
time, and when there was some incident no one who had asked him to be there
did call for him.



 Number 2: time... Time flies... At some point in time the conference ends
and everyone goes home... However the damage is done and the consequences
will remain, outside the conference. At a certain point we have to face the
reality we’re going to have to handle the case remotely. It’s not easy at
all.

 We are learning.

It is absolutely unclear to me what is to be done to handle this case any
further. I don't think anything ought to be done: We don't have a CoC, we
had an ombudsman but they were not called, so we rely on private parties
sorting out their differences in private.

If going forward someone in our community is uncomfortable or begrudging
another one of us, they best leave each other alone politely or risk a new
incident that would, I hope, be guided by the CoC that we will have in
place at that time.

 Louis





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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 10 April 2014 20:08, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety.

Right, and from the earlier messages on this thread, I understood that
at LGM2014 this assurance would be found through the University
ombudsman, who would be requested to lead the resolution of any
conflicts that came up.

What mystifies me is why no one involved in the ad hoc resolution of
this on-site requested the help of the University ombudsman.
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Definitely sad news, yet unsurprising. Without a CoC then what to do is for
me uncertain, as you say.

The coc meeting you describe is as I would expect though - I thought it was
to be a prelude to a CoC for 2015+, not to parachute one in to an event in
progress, despite the need for that on the ground.

Are there notes from the meeting?

Cheers
Dave
I think that many people by now have heard that there has been
prolonged harassment in the LGM community which
continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.
This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,
and there is a witness to the assault.

The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified
that there was harassment and assault during the conference.

The code of conduct which was suggested as an interim code was not
referenced at the meeting.
It wasn't posted to the community at the meeting, there was no contact
information provided at the meeting,
the community wasn't informed of any procedures to take in case of
incident, the community wasn't informed
of the procedures which would be followed when an incident is reported.
Everything was handled on the fly which resulted in the situation being
handled slowly and with uncertainty as to what to do.
One ad-hoc meeting was held between LGM leadership, the harasser, me,
Steve, and the target.
The results of this meeting have not been communicated to the community,
nor has a clear statement been given to the harasser that these behaviors
are not tolerable in our community.

After the meeting, the harasser tried to intimidate me when he saw me in an
area with few people.
This harasser, who up to now has been my good friend, is a serial bully who
clearly needs help.
He has been removed from the OpenSuse community for serially bulling,
and has been seriously warned about bullying in the OpenClipArt community.

A Code of Conduct is meant to provide 3 things  - statement, definitions,
processes - which are needed for practical reasons.
CoC's must be practical above all else.
Without these 3 elements a chaotic mess results when trouble happens.

We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community.

- Susan



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 January 2014 13:25, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:
  But whatever
  the reason is, not everyone is comfortable with the American (?) way to
 put
  everything into harmless words. So it is similar to the hugging example:
 may I
  not tell someone that he is an idiot if that is the case? Not
 necessarily in a
  derogative way, but just in a discussion. Does the idea that someone
 expresses
  his disagreement like that make you feel uncomfortable? Well, not being
 able
  to express me the way I am used to makes ME feel uncomfortable.

 If something someone says in a discussion does not make sense, that is
 what you say: X is wrong because Y.
 The same goes if the person does something wrong, say which action you
 believed was wrong, and why.
 Don't call the person an idiot. It might work out most of the time*,
 but expecting others to have a hard skin and
 deflect the comment about their person, and to correctly deduce what
 you *really* meant by it is not a good approach to communication.
 It increases the risk of hurting people and/or to derail the
 conversation. Keep criticism on actions and arguments.

 *at least for the person who calls another an idiot...

  So where to draw the line? As I wrote at the first day of this
 discussion I
  also prefer the treat others the way you think it is ok, and if it
 turns out
  that the other person doesn't feel the same then try to adapt and find
 some
  common ground for social interaction. approach. That is what being a
 social
  being is about: being able to copy with different social backgrounds,
 adapting
  and reacting to the situation at hand. And in the worst case avoid that
 person
  if interaction is not possible.
 The people you interact with decide where they draw the line. Until
 you know what the limits are, presuming that your own definition is
 suitable is risky business.

 My 2 øre.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 10 Apr 2014 19:55, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:

  two equal opponents

That abstract concept is a fallacy. It's a mirage. It never occurs in
reality.

Power is always at play and has many forms. No opponents are equal, each of
us has our strengths and weaknesses.

Susan's email describes things she thinks should happen when people in our
community see each other as opponents for a moment. This perspective is
part of human nature and regularly occurs, despite our aspirations for
peace and seeing the people around us as brothers and sisters.

Therefore we need a structure for dealing with power, lest we suffer the
tyranny of structurelessness where power is exercised unbound.

I don't know what to do about what Susan described, nor am I much
interested in further details. I didn't hear anything about this until
Susan's email, and I don't care to: No further elaboration is necessary
because that's the point, that without a CoC we will have no standard to
judge how much should be done in public.

If you don't have the power to know what happened but you want to, maybe
you'll propose a CoC name accusers and accused. Maybe that's a good idea,
maybe it's not. Susan deliberately worded email to not do it. Fine by me.

The point is not this instance, the point is without a CoC, an endless
variety of these incidents, resolved each in a circumstantial ad hoc way,
and each instance forgotten only for its structure to be repeated.

The silver lining then is that the CoC now has a test case which we can use
to answer 'what should happen' in concrete detail, and which Susan has
started enumerating for us.

To the future.
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] LGM 2014 Final Report

[Dave Crossland]

I agree, I would prefer to get the form up and the request sent to people
with less questions (what you have is good) sooner (this week) rather than
later with better questions but less post-event buzz :)
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2014 - Thank you

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They are always good, but I enjoyed this one especially - and so many new
projects that are really advanced, wow :)
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[CREATE] LGM Fonts meeting, Friday, 10.00

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We will meet at the big cafe on the north side of the church, just north of
the university, at 10.00 tomorrow morning, to talk about libre font
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Re: [CREATE] LGM Fonts meeting, Friday, 10.00

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It's Gasthaus Alte Nikolaischule

http://goo.gl/maps/VXvYH
On 3 Apr 2014 19:58, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 We will meet at the big cafe on the north side of the church, just north
 of the university, at 10.00 tomorrow morning, to talk about libre font
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Re: [CREATE] LGM Fonts meeting, Friday, 10.00

[Dave Crossland]

I will need breakfast!! :)
On 4 Apr 2014 00:12, S.Kemter sirko.kem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,


 Dave just a question, do you not like our rooms in the venue? Except the
 time there is an workshop is in them they are mostly empty and thought for
 meetings ;)


 br gnokii


 2014-04-04 0:08 GMT+02:00 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com:

 It's Gasthaus Alte Nikolaischule

 http://goo.gl/maps/VXvYH
 On 3 Apr 2014 19:58, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 We will meet at the big cafe on the north side of the church, just north
 of the university, at 10.00 tomorrow morning, to talk about libre font
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Re: [CREATE] Call for slides for 'State of Libre Graphics' at LGM in Leipzig.

[Dave Crossland]

I'll try to get this in for you tomorrow! :)


On 4 March 2014 20:24, pip...@gimp.org wrote:

 The first presentation event in this years LGM program is 'state of Libre
 Graphics' A common update for many of the projects across our Libre
 Graphics community. This frees up room in the schedule for deeper topics
 or fresh projects; while still giving us a chance to know what has been
 going on in various ongoing libre graphics related efforts; not only
 software projects, but also our various curation, publication and umbrella
 projects.

 For each project we want a title slide and one, none or two content
 slides.  The title slides should/could contain name of project, logo -
 and perhaps a brief tag-line for/description of the project. The content
 slides; would be about changes in the last year; as well as perhaps plans
 for the near future.

 Many projects presenting as part of LGM should also submit slides; as a
 teaser or warm-up for the subsequent event.

 Naming of files:

 projectname-0.png (or .jpg)
 projectname-1.png
 projectname-2.png
 projectname.txt optional speaker notes, to make my powerpoint karaoke
 ad-lib'ing more relevant.

 The graphics files should be 1024x768 - if they are not; they will be
 resized to fit. Feel free to bundle the files all in a tarball or
 zipfile, and send them as an attachment to pip...@gimp.org in an email
 with 'State of Libre Graphics' as subject.

 For projects focused on video/animation; an up to 100second
 video/animation would be welcome instead of slides 1 and 2. If this option
 is taken, please upload the video somewhere and provide me a URL for
 fetching it.

 Please submit content before the end of Sunday 23rd March; giving me a
 week before LGM to prepare the coordinated presentation.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi Christoph!

On 20 January 2014 00:12, Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de wrote:


 First of all, I want to let you know that cutting out your reply is due to 
 two reasons:
 One, your message wasn't in plain text, which, I think, is still a standard 
 for
 Open Source mailing lists (correct me if I am wrong).

Kindly, you are wrong. Where is this standard drafted and ratified?

Still, I'll use plain text to accommodate you.

 Second: You don't actually expect a rational discussion on the
 issues you raised, do you?

I'm sorry that this sounds like you're avoiding the issue.

You asked some very simple questions, which I'll repeat with my answers:

  - Define who's being threatened.

 People with less privilege.

  - Who's the threat?

 People with privilege.

  - What's the threat?

 There are 2 classes of threats:

 1. Soft threats - abuses of privilege

 2. Hard threads - violence, and threats thereof.

 - Who's the safeguard against threats?

 Instead of the de facto escalation chain being

 person - friends - cops

 an Event CoC provisions a incident response team which is known to everyone 
 at the event, so the chain multiplies:

 person - incident response team - cops
 friends - incident response team - cops
 strangers - incident response team - cops

 The incident response team might span event regulars, to committee members, 
 to organizers, to the location's regular staff, to the location's security 
 staff.

 - If a threat can't be identified with a single person
  or a group,

 Since every human has the potential to cause an incident... 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_%28comic_strip%29#.22We_have_met_the_enemy_and_he_is_us..22

  please define what else should be
  considered a threat and how a CoC can help (to)
  keep people safe other than law enforcement
  or civic common sense.

Would you mind answering me?

No answer so far.

As to my other questions, you cavalierly ignored them, so let me
repeat them, one by one:

1. I am curious if either of you would agree you were using an
ethnocentric definition of 'unsafe'?

2. Your meaning of 'safe' implies a 'hard threat' of violence. But
neither article describing incidents at events like LGM involve any
violence. Yet both use the word 'safe.' Why is that?

 I refuse to discuss this issue with you,

Ah, that's a pity. I honestly did think that you were seeking
understanding on this topic.

 because it would yield the same result as discussing the weaknesses
 of Psychoanalysis or Creationism with their respective supporters.
 It's futile, because critical questions only reinforce their dogmas.

If you have undergone some training in formal logic, you should also
be able to see where your trail of reasoning went off-rails (hint: at
the first ad hominem c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ).

Your Psychoanalysis example is pretty weak, btw.

 Getting back to LGM and a CoC: If your fundamentalist perception of
 society as a whole, your prejudices, your false assumptions, your dogmas
 and LGM in particular have any chance to become a foundation of an
 event, I suggest removing Libre and replace it with Righteous
 (RGM), because nothing of the original Libre will be left.

That sounds very righteous of you :)

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi

On 20 January 2014 02:29, Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de wrote:

 male white human beings are priviledged and also monsters that need to be 
 kept at bay.

Seems like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy :)

Human beings are priviledged in various ways (race, gender, age,
class, ability (eg hearing ability) etc etc):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

Some human beings need to be kept at bay:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct

I'm sorry you take both these facts so emotionally, and I suggest
that's not necessary. Not all people with privileged gender or race
are abusive -- just some of them, and LGM ought to have a CoC to
account for these 2 facts.

The only objection to LGM having a CoC that I will not find fault with
is 'yes but later.'

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 20 January 2014 23:09, Gez lis...@ohweb.com.ar wrote:
 I'm not sure about how effective a CoC is preventing
 incidents.

A fire alarm doesn't prevent fires, it helps people know where to go
after one has started.

The point of a CoC is the same, planning the escalation process ahead
of time, to avoid the problems inherent in structurelessness.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi!

On 20 January 2014 15:11, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of this year’s
 LGM plus the people here who followed the discussion (in silent or not)?

But clearly its the co-organizers' prerogative to figure out who
incidents should be escalated to, or not, to put a CoC on the website,
or not, and if they provide physical items to attendees
(schedules/name badges/promo bags/etc) to include a copy, or not.

If the bureaucracy of the host means its not possible for the
co-organizers, that's okay for me, and next year I hope there will be
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Dear Sirko,

On 20 January 2014 23:46, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 On 20 January 2014 15:11, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of this year’s
 LGM plus the people here who followed the discussion (in silent or not)?

 But clearly its the co-organizers' prerogative to figure out who
 incidents should be escalated to, or not, to put a CoC on the website,
 or not, and if they provide physical items to attendees
 (schedules/name badges/promo bags/etc) to include a copy, or not.

 If the bureaucracy of the host means its not possible for the
 co-organizers, that's okay for me, and next year I hope there will be
 one.

I just realised that its been around a week since your email, and you
didn't yet follow up with some news on what you wrote:

On 15 January 2014 17:04, S.Kemter sirko.kem...@gmail.com wrote:

 we will not have an ok [on a CoC text] before LGM.

I think its worth re-iterating this point; there will not be a CoC at
this LGM, not because the organizers don't want one, but because
putting one in place would require more time than is available.

 What we could do is simple to invite the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten I
 dont know how to translate that titel and if Equality Ombudsman is right for
 it to watch over us and we can surly ask him to help us for formulating an
 CoC for later events. I think nobody of us would be that firm as someone,
 who does nothing else then handle exactly what some here think an CoC would
 solve.

Sirko, how has the invitation to the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten fared?

If they agree to attend, will their presence and how to reach them be
mentioned on the website, and will attendees be notified at the event?

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi!

NB: This email offers no practical advice about an LGM CoC, but answers
emails that have not yet been answered about the overall context of CoCs in
the wide tech community today.

Also, the following is my person opinion and doesn't reflect the views of
any clients, organisations or projects I am associated with.

Dear Christoph and Gregory,

On 17 January 2014 12:30, Gregory Pittman gpitt...@iglou.com wrote:

 On 01/17/2014 01:07 PM, Susan Spencer wrote:
 
  The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
  assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for
 years.

 This just sounds like everyone is doing it so it must be a good thing
 to do. Or maybe it's just something that's gone viral.

 If someone feels unsafe at LGM, they should be notifying the local
 police to have them deal with the issue.


and on 18 January 2014 00:09, Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de
 wrote:


  The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
 assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.

 These are two completely distinct issues.

  I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to
 everyone's satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the
 issue,

 But that's exactly what you do.

  but truly there is so much content that I would be spending several
 days trying to provide you a synopsis.

 If I want to publish a paper in a peer-reviewed scientific magazine, a
 footnote following your model ([T]here is so much content that I would be
 spending several days trying to provide [...] a synopsis.) would
 immediately disqualify the whole text. I also didn't ask for a synopsis. I
 asked some very simple questions, which I'll repeat:

 Your bold statement was: CoCs help keep people safe.

 Original reply from me (I changed Q to S -- for statement):

  S: Both are necessary.
 C: Please explain why.

 No answer so far.

 As to the other questions, you cavalierly ignored them, so let me repeat
 them, one by one:

 - Please explain how a CoC can help to keep people safe.

 - Define who's being threatened.

 - Who's the threat?

 - What's the threat?

 - Who's the safeguard against threats?

 - If a threat can't be identified with a single person or a group, please
 define what else should be considered a threat and how a CoC can help (to)
 keep people safe other than law enforcement or civic common sense.

 Would you mind answering them? Examples would be sufficient.

 Your Norwegian example is pretty weak, btw, since this is boilerplate
 legal language in many European states.


Your line of questioning is pretty weak, yet I think you show good faith
that you would like to better understand. I hope I can explain what is
going on here to you.

You are both questioning the premise that a CoC improves actual safety or
perceived safety.

But what things mean for very privileged people like you and me is not the
same as what they mean for less privileged people.

That is the point I want to make here, about what 'unsafe' means. To make
this point I want to challenge your most extreme example of safety.

In your emails, you both propose the police as a beacon of safety. Do you
feel certain in your believe about that? Please reflect on the amount of
certainty you feel about that, and read on.

I guess that you would feel very certain, believing the police to be
peaceful, honest, etc, and thinking that these are all rational beliefs. I
guess you have never experienced anything to even suggest the contrary; in
fact it may even be sort of 'unthinkable,' and you are perhaps slightly
frowning as you read these lines, as I am saying that the police are
violent liars who you should fear.

Here's an example of that which I noticed earlier today in the headlines:

www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/18/philadelphia-teen-suffers-ruptured-testicle-and-hit-with-misdemeanors-during-police-patdown/

Here is the quote from the mother:

  “I blame myself,” Coney said. “I taught my
  son to respect cops, not to fear them.
  Maybe if he was afraid, he would have
  run like the other boys and he would have
  [not had his testicle ruptured by a policewoman,
  rendering him unable to be a biological father.]”

Do you respect or fear police? Can you imagine it is rational to teach your
children to fear the police? I expect your default posture towards the
police is one of total respect, as is mine, and you will pass this belief
into your [potential future] kids. [0]

However, I recognize that my sure belief (that I will be treated fairly by
police) is rational because of my circumstances, and my circumstances are
not universal. I understand that it is rational for many people to fear
police, in the same way you and I fear people who look, talk and act like
thugs in the very rare moments we chance upon them. [1]

So far I didn't get disabused of my beliefs about the police, but violently
unfair treatment by police does happen to privileged 

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 16 January 2014 11:33, Nathan Willis nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:

 I don't know what the university's policy and structure is on those
 issues, but perhaps we could decide what the LGM team wants -- designate a
 person or persons? Approach anyone on staff?


I understand from Sirko's emails that he has taken the feedback on board
that there should be a CoC this year, and the next step is for him to find
out the exact University requirements and get back to us. Not sure it
really matters what we want in the details at this point, the ball is in
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi!


On 15 January 2014 04:27, ku.b-mal ku.b-l...@gmx.de wrote:

  Am 15.01.2014 01:47, schrieb Dave Crossland:

 RTA this time
 
  On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:


 ...


I don't know about you, but when I approach a group of people that
 have given
   themselves rules like that my first thought would be OMFG, do I
 really want to
   get in touch with them? Terrible things must have happened there.

 That attitude is a fine example of white male privilege.


 Dave,
 you base this label on sex and color. That is a example of apartheid and
 sexual discrimination.


I'm happy to retract my statement, and say simply:

That attitude is a fine example of privilege.

I apologies if stating that I see the power inherent in my Tobias' race and
gender was offensive for anyone.

 Tobias,
 I am completely on your side, when it comes to your right to express your
 thoughts and feelings including in this thread and regardless of sex or
 color.


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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi!

On 15 January 2014 04:05, S.Kemter sirko.kem...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are aware that this brings trouble to me?


I for one am completely ignorant of the rules around making a CoC at a
German university under Saxon law, so I'm sorry that this involves a lot of
extra work for you. I guess you can calculate the value of the effort
against the (lack of) sponsorship funding for LGM, and the cash value of
the PSF money.



 Its not that simple we make an Code of Conduct and thats just our
 business. The university needs to agree to it and they will take that
 further away to the Ministery of Culture. Why because they have to be sure
 it breaks not german or/and saxonian laws. You open Pandoras Box here, well
 there are woman rights and minority rights touched so the
 Gleichstellungsbeauftragte has also to give his ok and there are some
 others with strange titles also.


All sounds worthy to me :)


 Before you discuss any CoC for Leipzig, do me a favor go to the violations
 list and try to find german events on it.  (except CCC that an topic of its
 own)


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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi

On 15 Jan 2014 10:50, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 20:11 -0800, Dave Crossland wrote:
  On 14 Jan 2014 15:39, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote:
  
   On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote:
Hi all,
   
I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct?
   
I am sure that at some point in time that question was raised among
us
  but
I can’t recall if we reached a consensus and if so where would that
  text be?
   
PSF could consider funding us but we’d need a published Code of
Conduct.
  
   If they want to impose their rules in order to fund, then I'd suggest
   not to take their money.
  
   About a code of conduct, what about
  
   use your brain, failure to do so will get you kicked out after one
   warning, or immediately for serious misbehavior
  
   If that's not enough we're pretty much doomed.
 
  I suggest we ask the people who are minorities at the event if it or any
  other proposal is enough. You and I, as the white male majority, can't
tell.
 
  For dudes claiming this is unneccessary, do you know what it's like to
have
  a public profile online, like you and I do, but as a female?
 
   In 2006, researchers from the University of Maryland set up a bunch of
  fake online accounts and then dispatched them into chat rooms. Accounts
  with feminine usernames incurred an average of 100 sexually explicit or
  threatening messages a day. Masculine names received 3.7.
 
 
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170/

 I am aware that sadly all of that is very true, and there is
 little doubt that larger conferences need a CoC.

 What I'm uncomfortable with is the idea of we have to get
 a CoC in order to get funding, because that should really
 not be the motivation for having one.

I'm curious why you think cash isn't a good motivation for formality :)

You seen to imply that only conference size determines the need for a coc.
Are there any other criteria you feel are relevant?

Minorities are requesting a coc independently if the PSF Funding, on this
thread. That seems like the primary determinant of necessity to me, and
cash is a very good secondary reason.

 Also, I think that
 LGM doesn't actually need a CoC, it has the atmosphere of
 a family meeting,

...for you and me. We are insiders, having been to almost all of these
events, and if you read the Tyranny of Structurelessness, it's clear you
and I are parts of overlapping elites - as defined in that essay.

not of a major event

It's a pretty major event in my eyes, corporate sponsors, hundreds of
people, travel expenses paid, held around the world, many people there
professionally on company time... I'm curious what would make it a major
event in your eyes :)

 that [does not] involves a
 degree of anonymity.

...for you and me. If you are attending this year for the first time,
having only participated in local events before, perhaps only those in
Germanic, and interacting online only in Germanic forums, surely you will
have a large degree of anonymity. Each year there is and will be a local
constituency like that.

 That said, I am not opposed to a CoC. All I'm saying is that
 I feel very comfortable to be at an event where nothing
 weird ever happened

... to you or me. I definitely know people who were uncomfortable at
previous lgms.

 and where I'm not afraid that anything
 will happen

...to you or me.

 therefore the idea of getting a CoC feels a bit
 like trying to preemtively avoid criticism from whatever
 fraction of political correctness.

That you frame it as preemptive, and consider how it feels to us
old-timers,  is another fine example of privilege.

 just my 2 ct.

Thanks for continuing the discussions :)

 Regards,
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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RTA this time

 On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:
 
  Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 22:40:51 schrieb Andrew Chadwick:
 
  [...]
 
   Codes of conduct are mostly just don't be obnoxious; listen, respect,
   learn written out in long form with some specifics about what's not
   to be tolerated. Granted, they say what shouldn't need to be said and
   are always written in the hope they don't have to be invoked; but they
   also publicly state that the organizers care about what happens to
   people at the conference and how welcome they feel.
 
  I don't know about you, but when I approach a group of people that have
given
  themselves rules like that my first thought would be OMFG, do I really
want to
  get in touch with them? Terrible things must have happened there.

That attitude is a fine example of white male privilege.

I'm a white male, and I want to welcome people who are not like me. If they
want a coc, we should give them one. If PSF wants one to give us money to
find their travel to join us, all the better.

I think a coc also helps mitigate the tyranny of structurelessness.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tyranny_of_Structurelessness
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 14 Jan 2014 15:51, Hin-Tak Leung hin...@ghostscript.com wrote:


 Hmm, I rather think some of the geekfeminism content material is rather
extreme and make me uncomfortable.

The whole site has a lot of stuff. Are you referring specifically to the
coc template that is written to have bits you don't want elided?

 The way I see these matters on equality and etc is this: does the
paragraphs make sense if you replace every instance of the word female by
black person, Chinese, dwarf, Obama or Geek, or Your
grandmother? or another specific group of people?

 Granted, chinese isn't strictly speaking a 'minority', but you don't know
how many 'slitty eye' jokes I have heard in my life. (Well, females aren't
minority either... If you want to argue that attendences of females are
rare, I can also say that attendences of chinese and blacks or Obama are
rare too)

 geeks are minority among the general population, too. It is worth
remembering. Perhaps there should only be one guideline - treat others like
how you would like to be treated.
 --
 On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 22:01 GMT Gregory Pittman wrote:

 On 01/14/2014 03:20 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
  I support having a code of conduct. I had a read through the one at
  http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
  and found it to be very sane, both the statement and the practical
  guideline on how organization should deal with matters.
 
  Having a policy does pledge organizers and volunteers to enforce it,
  if need be. So if we decide to adopt one, all staff should explicity
  state that they have read and accepted the policy.
  It must also be sent out to presenters and attendees.
 
 
 Personally, I would rather see language that talks of respect (a
 positive term) rather than anti-harrassment (a negative term).
 
 Thus, we can be on the lookout for behavior or materials as far as how
 they respect others, perhaps making some positive suggestions, as
 opposed to searching for harrassment as if it were some kind of
 witch-hunt (meaning no disrespect to witches of course).
 
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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On 14 Jan 2014 15:39, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct?
 
  I am sure that at some point in time that question was raised among us
but
  I can’t recall if we reached a consensus and if so where would that
text be?
 
  PSF could consider funding us but we’d need a published Code of Conduct.

 If they want to impose their rules in order to fund, then I'd suggest
 not to take their money.

 About a code of conduct, what about

 use your brain, failure to do so will get you kicked out after one
 warning, or immediately for serious misbehavior

 If that's not enough we're pretty much doomed.

I suggest we ask the people who are minorities at the event if it or any
other proposal is enough. You and I, as the white male majority, can't tell.

For dudes claiming this is unneccessary, do you know what it's like to have
a public profile online, like you and I do, but as a female?

 In 2006, researchers from the University of Maryland set up a bunch of
fake online accounts and then dispatched them into chat rooms. Accounts
with feminine usernames incurred an average of 100 sexually explicit or
threatening messages a day. Masculine names received 3.7.

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170/

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Re: [CREATE] [Gimp-developer] Brushpack file format

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Cc zero not pd please :-)
On Apr 16, 2013 12:49 PM, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote:


 On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Alexia Death wrote:

  Hi,

   Brushpacks should not be mixed: so no mypaint brushes and gimp
 brushes in one brushpack.


 Why this restriction


 To make life easier for users. We discussed this a lot, but creating a
 brush pack that contains, for instance, both Krita and MyPaint brushes
 wasn't seen as desirable.

  and why different internal formats


 I'm not getting this question -- the formats are there because that's how
 applications define their brushes. Mypaint's .myb format is different from
 Krita's .kpp and Gimp's .gdyn.

   and why such a complicated create folder format?


 Hm... What do you consider the complications? Basically, it's just the
 equivalent of the way the create spec stores patterns, brushes, gradients
 etc. in separate directories, extended to allow new brush types that are
 not in create, like kpp, myb etc.

  It would
 be very simple to have a pack create forder structure that allows for
 both mixed packets and for each app only
 handle what it can/need...

 something along the lines of:
 /manifest.xml
 /coolpack-cutes/tags.xml
 /coolpack-cutes/shared/* - resources in common formats - svg, png, gif,
 whatever, as long as the format isnt app
 specific, pehaps subfoolders by resource intended use...


 I'm not really seeing right away the improvement that adding a shared
 directory level gives above having the common resources in their already
 defined create directory names.

  /coolpack-cutes/mypaint/* -stuff in mypaint format, acceptable to mypaint
 and dictated by mypaint
 /coolpack-cutes/gimp/* - stuff in gimp format, following gimp resource
 structure, subfolders for brushes,
 dynamics, etc
 /coolpack-cutes/krita/*- stuff in krita format that only krita can
 understand

 and same structure in create/ resource folder.

 So, if  gimp starts supporting mypaint, all it needs to do, is dig into
 shared mypaint resources in create. Same
 goes for krita and for say mypaint getting a brush engine that lets it
 read gimp resources...



 If I get you correctly, you'd prefer to copy a gradient or pattern that is
 used by a brush into the create-defined location for gradients or patterns?
 We decided against that because those gradients or patterns (or even the
 brush tips themselves) are only packaged because they belong to a
 particular brush and shouldn't be automatically made available as a shared
 gradient or pattern.

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[CREATE] Write up of the typography BOF at LGM2013

[Dave Crossland]

http://titanpad.com/lgm13-typography

Thanks to Raphaël Bastide for writings this up, and Vernon Adams for
contributing so far :)
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Re: [CREATE] Animated gif for LGM

[Dave Crossland]

On 3 April 2013 18:13, Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Open Font Library

Ricardo  Ana, please could you send the SVG of this?
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Re: [CREATE] Announcing BirdFont

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On 28 December 2012 13:59, Johan Mattsson johan.mattsso...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 I have started a free software project that aims to create a font
 editor. It is written in vala and has a rather small code base.
 http://birdfont.org
 /Johan

Wow, this looks great!

What's the roadmap? :)

Cheers
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Re: [CREATE] Colorfont Workshop results

[Dave Crossland]

On 29 June 2012 17:26, Hin-Tak Leung hin...@ghostscript.com wrote:

 fontspec is nice, but rather tied into XeTeX?

The important thing is that XeTeX is libre software. Nasty hack, but
you can import PDFs made with XeTeX into Scribus frames ;-)

XeTeX is helped a lot today by www.tug.org/texworks and I used XeTeX
rather than Scribus for my development of Cantarell :-)

SIL has developed some nice (sadly, as yet unpublished) XeTeX type
design development document-tools too. The idea is that the
document-tool inspects the font and generates a document based on
properties of the font itself - ie, generate immersive-reading
typography with words that include every letter combination possible
given the characters existing in the font, so that the spacing and
kerning can be thoroughly checked.

If Scribus supported OT features, one could create such software for
Scribus with python scripting to test all OT feature combinatorial
possibilities :-)

For Scribus to support OT features, it need only take advantage of the
QT text shaping, which is based on
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HarfBuzz...

 One other thing Ricardo might want to check out is
 Pango... anyway, there is a lot text-layout expertise
 in the TeX/LaTeX community, the web-browser (pango...)...

...so its Harfbuzz that is relevant here, not Pango, since Pango's
OpenType support is delegated to Harfbuzz.

http://behdad.org/text/ explains some of the history here, but it is
now rather out of date...

Behdad, do you plan to update that document? :-)

 emacs 24 seems to have gained the ability to do
 Right-to-left directions i.e. displaying arabic/hebrew
 the way it is intended.

That uses m17n, which is a non-OpenType complex script font format.
Used only by emacs. :-)

 I also seem to remember some W3C specs/RFCs about fonts somewhere...

W3C has the CSS3 Fonts module, and the WOFF format.

The WOFF format is just compression, and doesn't effect OpenType features.

The CSS3 Font module specifies ways to access OpenType features and
browsers are - as Ricardo said - slowly implementing this. Microsoft
is leading here - MSIE10 will have full OpenType support - and Firefox
trailing them.

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Re: [CREATE] Farewell LGM 2012 Vienna ... welcome to Madrid in 2013!

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 May 2012 08:36, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.net wrote:

 For those that could not make it to the Libre Graphics Meeting this year in
 Vienna:

That's great news!

Are there any recordings (audio/video) or archive of slides for the
presentations this year? :)
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 in Vienna?

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 September 2011 07:21, Kai-Uwe Behrmann k...@gmx.de wrote:
 Lets have a next LGM in Vienna.

+1
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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 July 2011 16:10, Kaveh Bazargan ka...@river-valley.com wrote:
 I would like to raise the possibility of Kerala, India. We are holding
 a small conference this year:

 http://river-valley.com/tug-2011/

 Comments?

It seems that the LGM is primarily for the libre graphics developers
to meet, and since most of them are in the west, there is less
interest in traveling outside the west; fund raising has to be bigger
to pay for the bigger airfares, and more travel time means less event
time for those who have to take unpaid leave or holiday time from
work...
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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

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On 5 July 2011 18:44, Kaveh Bazargan ka...@river-valley.com wrote:
 we were discussing
 Vietnam and Singapore and now Argentina

And those and Kerala all have the same problems :/
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

I'd like to hear from the LGM Board their thoughts :-)

Cheer
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[CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
Buenos Aires.

http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/

The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
interest in the community.

Is there such interest?

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Re: [CREATE] LGM: Native GTK OS X ?

[Dave Crossland]

On 13 May 2011 00:06, Jon Cruz j...@joncruz.org wrote:
 the OS X native GTK development stalled out

I propose that making GTK work on OS X would drive more people to free
software (especially libre graphics software) - and once they are
using libre applications, they can conveniently move to a fully libre
system when they next buy a computer.

Perhaps GTK OS X could thus be added to the FSF Priority Projects list?
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Re: [CREATE] LGM: Native GTK OS X ?

[Dave Crossland]

On 7 May 2011 12:43, Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com wrote:
 here is little to no need for any porting. The
 issue is that the native version for OSX is not widely deployed.

Sounds like a BOF to share the know how for how to integrate and
bundle it will be a good idea, then :)
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Re: [CREATE] Need volunteer to record LGM 2011

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

Did someone get the cameras to do the recording sorted out? :)

Cheers
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Re: [CREATE] Pantone at LGM 2011 ?

[Dave Crossland]

I wouldlove that :)

On 10 Feb 2011, 7:53 PM, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com
wrote:

We plan on inviting Pantone people at LGM this year. Any thoughts on that?

Louis

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2011: post-FOSDEM discussion

[Dave Crossland]

On 8 February 2011 05:09, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some night activity will be held downtown.

http://www.foufounes.qc.ca ?

:P
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Re: [CREATE] ICGQ offer for LGM — Quick Reaction Needed from Devs !

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Sounds great to me! :)
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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine Pledgie campaign

[Dave Crossland]

On 23 October 2010 09:55, ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca wrote:
 We're planning to print a 96 page publication, half colour, at Mardigrafe in
 Montreal.

Which is the company of Louis Dejardins, who is doing a big discount, right? :-)
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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine — how to distr ibute it widely

[Dave Crossland]

On 18 September 2010 14:42, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:
 having a large circulation Linux magazine (and maybe more than one) to print
 our magazine as part of their regular publication

As long as we could make our own reprints, I think that would be _excellent_ :)
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[Dave Crossland]

On 14 August 2010 14:40, Yuval Levy creat...@sfina.com wrote:
 the experience I had about four years ago at a university
 in Quebec.  A professor for business ethics has some needs.  We discuss them
 and it basically boils down to some IT infrastructure for her
 courses/students.  MediaWiki would have been perfect for them.  The show
 stopper?  Their servers were paid for by a certain proprietary software giant
 and came with the string attached that no open source software can be
 installed on them!  Business ethics!!!

LOL!

Maybe today the same thing happens, but, not all over:

http://www.microsoft.com/web/gallery/AcquiaDrupal.aspx
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[CREATE] Long term?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

I would like to suggest a long term view as a way to resolve this issue.

Suppose that in a couple of weeks, there are 3 strong proposals for LGM in
2011.

How is it decided which one happens in 2011?

Previous years have been decided by virtue of there only being one proposal
per year, as I understand it.

I would like to suggest that if there are 3 strong proposals, the proposers
will agree between themselves who will run LGM 2011, LGM 2012 and LGM2013.

If people choose not to attend one year, because they don't like the
politics of the host country, that would be unfortunate, and I hope they
will attend the next year.

This isn't theoretical: Last year, I remember a developer of a popular free
software project objecting to Belgium because of the popularity of a
religion there, and I did not see them this year. I enjoyed our
conversations, and hope to see them again. I also didn't see people who
couldn't afford transatlantic travel, and who couldn't get EU visas.

Each country necessarily excludes some parts of the global libre graphics
community. Local events can mitigate this. As at LinuxConfAU this year,
having 'local' Libre Graphics events is valuable - especially when they can
be recorded and published as LGM has been. If many people from some part of
the world want to run an event about libre graphics, I hope they do so :-)

Regards,
Dave
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Re: [CREATE] Free as in Speech, and Vietnam?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

I agree, going to a place like Vietnam, where freedoms and human rights are
respected even less than Brussels or Canada or Poland or France, to talk
about software freedom and computer users rights, will promote awareness of
the overall concepts. It perhaps in some small way may even help gain
respect for them.

Looking westwards: The UK isn't safe, its full of ... obnoxious British
people, like me :-) And, worse, British policemen; our Brasilian friends
might get shot on the metro if their laptop cables are not tucked into their
bags. Also, I suspect the UK is complicit in the USA torturing its citizens,
and I know Canada is.

While interesting, such broad political issues should not be decisive for
LGM, IMO. For a libre graphics event, what matters is the legal status of
software freedoms in a host country.

This means we should avoid countries who criminalise free exchange of
software ideas and reverse engineering: the USA is top of that list.

is Vietnam even on that list?

Regards, Dave

On 10 Jun 2010, 1:17 PM, Stani spe.stani...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Marcos Diaz mar...@nathive.org wrote: 
I don't believe boycotti...
How is hosting the LGM in Vietnam forcing anyone attending the LGM to
ignore the human rights violations of the Vietnamese government? Maybe
you'll start reading about it and become more conscious of it. I have
had many exchange contacts with artist activists from non-western
countries. They always laugh with our 'superior' track record of human
rights. For them Western democracies are not innocent at all. Maybe in
their own country, but not in the world abroad.

For me free software is not about judging governments in the first
place, but above all about building communities. I think it would be
rude to exclude the Vietnamese or Asian communities from hosting the
LGM. As Dang Hong Phuc noticed the Asian community is not very present
in the Free Software movement, although they like to take part. We are
not going to change that from our comfortable broadband connections
remotely. Refusing them to bridge this gap, is not very ethical
either.

I agree with Cyrille, that hosting the LGM in Vietnam rather promotes
freedom, than supports human rights violations.

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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Some goals, aims or objectives !

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On 5 June 2010 15:41, Camille Bissuel cbiss...@yagraph.org wrote:

 So, ok, let's discuss it... To active contributors in LG projects :
 - Do you find this LGA project useful, and why ?

I hope that it will make running LGM every year more smooth,
especially financially.

I hope to use LGA as a destination to direct fund raising efforts
towards in the same way I have persuaded TUG.org to run a Libre Font
Fund - https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html . TUG is
wonderful, but, it is US centric and being tied too closely to one
(typo)graphics application isn't ideal from a brand perspective.

I could set up a Libre Font Foundation, but since fonts only make
sense when used in other graphics applications, being part of LGA
makes more sense to me. It share the costs of administration, and the
shared brand will help to bring attention from font people to libre
graphics tools, and from libre graphics people to libre fonts.

I can dream that, if I raised enough funds for libre fonts, LGA could
hire type designers to work on libre fonts fulltime for some period. I
have spoken to many libre font designers and proprietary professionals
about prices, and it doesn't seem impossible.

I hope that the LGA would provide a brand and a business network to
aid the publication of libre licensed books and DVDs about libre
graphics applications; that would be one way of fund raising.
Similarly, a brand and business network for certification and training
events.

 - How would it be useful for you on a daily basis ?

Daily seems a bit much, monthly seems more appropriate.
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

[Dave Crossland]

On 3 June 2010 22:27, a.l.e ale.comp...@xox.ch wrote:
 in countries like germany, france and switzerland it is very easy to set up 
 an association.

Right - same as UK.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the UK you'd still need to, after
registering, write and agree on a constitution that defines how
elections are done, run an election to set up a committee with a
chair, membership secretary, treasurer, and perhaps other roles. Then
the treasurer needs to open a bank account and file a tax return (or
pay an accountant to file one) - and all the members and the public
need to trust that the committee will use the money legitimately and
fairly.

Using a surrogate organisation means the administration of the bank
account, filing a tax return, and the constitutional decisions are all
taken care of by a recognised entity that the members and the public
can trust to do things legitimately and fairly.

So no matter what the goals of the LGA are, I suggest starting out
with a surrogate organisation and later founding our own entity when
we really need to :-)
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

[Dave Crossland]

On 4 June 2010 13:13, Joao S. O. Bueno gwid...@mpc.com.br wrote:
 I still think we could settler for both things:
 have a low profile association, that would rely on a larger body for
 dealing with paperwork, donations and refunds.  Our association itself
 would be responsible for communication, arranging
 meetings and ways to use the donations money, perhaps to fund
 promising projects for specific purposes from time to time.

A low profile association, like, the membership list of this mailing list? :-)
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

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On 3 June 2010 19:12, Camille Bissuel cbiss...@yagraph.org wrote:

 You seem to know the subject... Can you be a little more explicit, in which
 organization is doing what ?
 I don't really get the difference between SFLC, SFI, SFC... it's seems all
 the same... Can you say us which one can we use for what ?

www.softwarefreedom.org

The Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) is a non-profit lawyer shop in
New York City. It was started 5 years ago by Eben Moglen, the FSF's
longtime lawyer. They represent _big_ free software projects directly,
like BusyBox and the GNU project, which have their own legal entities.
This gives independence but costs time and money.

SFLC isn't relevant to the LGA because LGA is too small.

conservancy.softwarefreedom.org

SFLC set up another organisation, The Software Freedom Conservancy
(SFC) in 2006. The SFLC and SFC are legally separate organisations,
but the same people run them both.

SFC is a non-profit holdings group for _small_ free software
projects that are too small for setting up their own legal entities.
Inkscape, for example. It means a group can take donations and spend
them with no administrative overhead costs, and small projects don't
need the independence possible with their own legal entity. Its based
in the USA.

www.spi-inc.org

Software in the Public Interest (SPI) was set up in 1997 to fund
Debian and other free software projects. It works very similarly to
the SFC. Its based in the USA but has partner organisations across the
world, making donations from outside the USA possible without PayPal
or Google CheckOut - www.spi-inc.org/donations#money

HTH
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] Get a status : association, foundation ...

[Dave Crossland]

On 2 June 2010 20:43, Camille Bissuel cbiss...@yagraph.org wrote:
 we now have to discuss a status : is the LGF project should be an
 association, a foundation, a network, an informal group ?

IMHO the Libre Graphics Association should have the legal status of a
member project of SPI or SFC.

LGA should delay registering its own legal entity until that is
useful, since it involves some work and the major wins can be had via
SPI/SFC.

GNOME Foundation started as a SPI member project, and as it grew it
became independent. If that time comes around for us,
http://www.oneclickor.gs may be a good way to go.
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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] A name !

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

Font design and typesetting are specialisms within Typography, which is one
of the 4 specialisms within Graphic Design (the others being illustration,
photography, and motion)

So 'graphics' does not exclude typographic design, IMO :-)

Regards, Dave

On 31 May 2010, 1:04 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com
wrote:

artists seems to me overbroad. Our tools are very much design tools.
Perhaps it is not the best fit, but it is better than graphics, (due to
including typesetting/typography) while Libre Artists Foundation sounds to
me more like a foundation to support the artists themselves rather than also
supporting the tools (not saying that the foundation is not meant to support
the community, just that the name should not point to one side over the
other imo).

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com wrote:  
On Mon, May 31, 2010 ...

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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] A name !

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

I would like to see 'Libre Graphics Something' where something is
Foundation, Group, Association, International, League, Consortium, Party,
etc. I like:

#1 Libre Graphics Group

#2 Libre Graphics International

#3 League of Libre Graphics

I don't think anyofthese as .org domains in full is too long, as Ricardo
said.

However, lg.o is surely attractive. If the current registrant is up for
selling it, I could be willing to stump (err english slang, I mean, donate
up-front) the $2000ish to buy the libregraphics.org domain on the condition
that within say 3 years the same amount be directed to some libre font
project I would propose.

I did mention oneclickorgs as a way to be our own independent org without
too much overheads, but actually that seems too heavy. Better to go to an
existing organisation to handle the legal/bank stuff, guarantee long term
stability and fully ethical/legitimate handling of money.

I believe the SFLC Conservancy is the best way to do that. I suggest people
unfamilar with it read their website.

While the classical GNOME/KDE rivalry seems cool these days, as Boud says,
probably best to avoid stirring it anyways and not use either's org. What's
the legal/org status of 'free desktop'? That would be my next preference.

3rd pref is SPI, who also offers this 'subsidiary' or 'trading name'
approach that the SFC offers.

Above all, using a surrogate org to handle administrivia means we can focus
on productive tasks like engaging professionals and institutions.

I've worked with the USA TeX Users Group to do this for funding the Open
Font Library. Worked well: An existing fiscal org with a proven past and
future adds a lot of legitimacy and safety for donors.

I hope someone can explain the status of freedesktop.org.

Regards, Dave

On 2 Jun 2010, 11:09 AM, Stani spe.stani...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Hiran Venugopalan hira...@gmail.com
wrote:  On 2 June 2010 15:06...
No and unfortunately the owner of that domain does not want to
transfer/sell it, just rent it. However how about dropping an 's':
Libre Graphic Meeting
libregraphic.org is still available (for now)


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Re: [CREATE] [LGF] A name !

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

I would like to see Libre Graphics Association on libre-graphics.org, as a
SFLC Conservancy project.

I buy Femke's rationale for 'association' over others, that's pretty much
where I was going with group/league but I'm a sucker for alliteration ;-)

Regards, Dave

On 2 Jun 2010, 1:00 PM, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.net wrote:

Hello :-)

Combing through this thread, and after some intense discussions with
Louis Desjardins, Pierre Marchand and others here in Brussels, I propose:

*Libre Graphics Association* [LGA]

In parallel, let's keep inventing slogans. It is a way to propose, discuss,
play, re-phrase what Libre Graphics mean to us. But we should by all means
avoid getting locked into a definition debate.

Re-reading Dave Neary's original description of LGM
http://dneary.free.fr/lgm06/ is one way to understand why sticking to Libre
Graphics is more than the easy way out.

Some more arguments:

*Libre*
- The only hard criteria for projects that we like to bring together, is
 that they contribute to a Free, Libre and Open Source ecology. The name  of
our organisation should refer to what sets us apart from proprietary tools
- Needing to explain what Libre means, is a feature
- The non-English Libre hints at international in a non-jetset way

*Graphics*
- Graphics can both refer to technology (colormanagement, curves, ...) and
to form (illustration, type, ...)
- It is a unobtrusive way to name a common interest of designers,
artist and designers
- It acts as a point of reference rather than a definition

Not having the libregraphics.org domain is annoying but not a reason to
change the kind of organisation we need. The part of the name that matters
to me most:

*Association*
- The Libre Graphics community is a network.

We should not want a Foundation.

The work of the Libre Graphics community brings together very different
goals, ideas, flavors, methods and perspectives. The energy buzz of LGM is
about seeing work that none of us could have imagined on our own. At LGM we
discuss standards and workflows for example. Not because we want to
constrain creativity, but because we want to participate in interesting
interfaces between developers, artists and devsigners.

Now LGM is growing away from an informal network, we cannot avoid imagining
some form of organisation that supports Libre Graphics or the Libre Graphics
Meeting long term. But however it plays out, we need to take care of the
diversity that drives this community.

A foundation exists to define and converge; an association can support a
network. I think it is a mistake to use this term for Libre Graphics, even
(or even more so) the organisation is legally set up as an association.

More about what that will mean is for the whatever thread!


Femke


P.S.: Sorry to not have participated in the BoF Camille organised. I would
like to contribute to the development of an organisation that supports
Libre Graphics and will get back to that once the practicalities of this LGM
2010 have been dealt with. Promise!

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Re: [CREATE] who asked about university contacts in India after Hong Phuc Dang's talk?

[Dave Crossland]

On 31 May 2010 23:07, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote:
 Op maandag 31-05-2010 om 20:42 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef ricardo
 lafuente:
 Also, Kaveh (who may or may not be on the list) could certainly get
 good contacts thanks to River Valley's close relationship with India
 TUG and other local FLOSS communities.

Kaveh is too efficient to be subscribed to this list ;-)

I do forward relevant posts to him though. His personal blog is at
http://bazargan.org if you want to point people his way.

 Yeah, I already pointed her to River Valley  Kaveh's involvement with
 LGM, and she thought she knew the company (she thinks they also host or
 sponsor or such http://sarovar.org/ ?).

Yes, they do both.
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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Whatever - charter prototype

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On 29 May 2010 18:27, Andreas Vox a...@arcor.de wrote:
 a proposal for the charter

I'd like to suggest using http://www.oneclickor.gs for this; I hope to
use them for the Open Font Library.
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Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster BOF

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Users of Libre fonts ought to have the best experience possible, which
means I think including fonts in ORA files is a fine idea for the
specification.

However, perhaps including fonts should not be a default application
behaviour, just optional - and apps should alert users that they are
including fonts and make it easy for them to dis/include the fonts.

If users infringe their font licenses, that's their choice - so the
apps must be really clear that they are possibly making such a choice.
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Re: [CREATE] SIMple stuff

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On 24 May 2010 21:51, Nathan Willis nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:

 Particularly as it includes data, where the fees can be all over the map

I have a BASE sim and its cheap enough (for me) but the phoneshop I
went to say there was no possibility of prepaid mobile data :(
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Re: [CREATE] Details about the LGM talks itself

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On 18 May 2010 03:08, Marcos Diaz mar...@nathive.org wrote:
 There will be someone recording videos?

www.river-valley.tv will be there and there's a single track to make
sure everything goes online :)
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Re: [CREATE] announcements for lgm?

[Dave Crossland]

On 15 May 2010 01:03, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 there will be an announcement about the relaunch of Open Font Library, right
 dave.

That's riight!

http://testvm.openfontlibrary.org

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Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

[Dave Crossland]

On 30 April 2010 15:53, Cyrille Berger cber...@cberger.net wrote:

  Probably I misunderstood, but, I though pyjamas allows you to write a
  PyGTK app and 'cross compile' it to an AJAX webapp?

 i've read it the other way round: it allows you to create ajax apps by
 programming them in python and run them as gtk apps on your desktop if
 you want so...

 need pyjama-desktop for running it as gtk ... just
 loading your application in a webkit view) http://pyjd.org/

Yes, looks like that's the case, although pyjs.org says at the top
pyjamas is a stand-alone python to javascript compiler, so when I
said PyGTK I should have said Python

Also I asked Luke (lead developer of Pyjamas) about this:

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Subject: Re: Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:

 hi,   Probably I misunderstood, but, I though pyjamas allows you to write
 a PyGTK  app and 'cross...

 i've read it the other way round: it allows you to create ajax apps by
 programming them in python and run them as gtk apps on your desktop if you
 want so...

 not quite either - but almost.  you're both correct.

 a 2007 GSoC project created an _independent_ and _alternative_ port
of pygtk, called pygtkweb by _reimplementing_ gobject, gdk and gtk in
terms of DOM objects, to be compiled from python to javascript, to run
in web browsers.

 the only one of the three pyjamas projects (and yes there are three
separate pyjamas projects) that pygtkweb uses is the pyjs compiler.

 so that's pygtkweb.

 then there's pyjamas itself, containing three projects: pyjs
compiler, DOM library (does what it sounds like) and UI library.

 there are two versions of the DOM library.  the first is specifically
suited to compiling to javascript, for running in web browsers.  there
are variations (for all 5 major web browser platforms, ie, mozilla,
netscape, safari and opera) but they all do exactly the same thing.

 the _second_ version of the DOM library runs under web _engines_, of
which there are four.  two are mature - MSHTML and xulrunner; two
are experimental - pywebkitgtk andpy webkitqt4.

 this gives you nne platforms to run the same python application -
unmodified and unchanged- either as a desktop application _or_ a web
application.

 so, you can see that you have a whopping amount of choice, but
basically you just don't care _what_ platform the application runs
under: it's python, it's going to work on all those platforms, and
that's the end of it.

 of course, the spanner in the works is the webkit developers, one of
whom has _deliberately_ gone out of his way to ensure that
webkit-glib/gobject does _not_ get into the mainline webkit tree, but
that's another story.

 l.
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Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

[Dave Crossland]

On 20 April 2010 18:22, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:
 Dave?

 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Nathan Willis
 nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:
 Oh yeah -- what was the panel?  Is there audio/video from it?

No video was made :(
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Re: [CREATE] pledgie

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Hi!

On 2 May 2010 09:30, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 I tend to agree. If we get as many attendees of artistic persuasion :)
 as Femke believes we will, running the Pledgie during LGM and shortly
 after might give us some additional flow of cash to cover the costs.
 Organization committee reimburses travels *after* LGM anyway.

Right, and as Kaveh will record the whole thing and publish it on
river-valley.tv, perhaps he can place a pledgie link under video on
his pages (and on the live video streaming page) so that people who
watch the talks online during/after the conference might also
contribute.

Kaveh, what do you think? :-)

Cheers
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Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

Luke Leighton ported PyGTK to AJAX successfully, its called 'pyjamas.'

Regards, Dave

On 27 Apr 2010, 10:12 AM, Stani spe.stani...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Schrijver e...@authoritism.net wrote: 
Very good idea imho.   ...
Not AFAIK and it will be a hard nut to crack to port GTK or Qt to
Ajax. There is appcelerator:
Appcelerator Titanium is open source software available through an
Apache 2.0 license.
http://www.appcelerator.com/

I have never experimented with it.

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Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

Probably I misunderstood, but, I though pyjamas allows you to write a PyGTK
app and 'cross compile' it to an AJAX webapp?

Regards, Dave

On 30 Apr 2010, 2:48 PM, Stani spe.stani...@gmail.com wrote:

I know pyjamas. AFAIK that is not a port of PyGTK, but from the Google
Web Toolkit:
http://pyjs.org/

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:  Hi,
  Luke Leighton port...
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Re: [CREATE] publish book about LGM meeting

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

2010/4/23 lingzheng wang wanglingzheng...@gmail.com:

  can i  create one book about LGM meeting in June?  i mean need consider
 copyright and other things etc. welcome for every one's suggestion.

If the book is licensed with something from freedomdefined.org, and
uses the freely-licensed images that will inevitably be posted to
Flickr and elsewhere, I would say that this would be a very welcome
contribution :-)

 There are  interesting pictures and words in this book in my opinion, i can
 write in English and Chinese after  i interview designers who join LGM
 meeting, then introduce opensource graphics to Chinese designers.

I am happy to help you improve the English text in the book; what
software will you use to make it? If you use a public version control
system, the book could be made collaboratively :-)

  LGM meeting  attracts some publishing house from my hometown after my
 introduction last week, so if it's ok, i will start schedule my write plan.

Exciting! :-)

Cheers
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Re: [CREATE] panel discussion (proposal): Web apps

[Dave Crossland]

On 16 April 2010 02:22, Nathan Willis nwil...@glyphography.com wrote:
 So I'd really like to know if anyone would be interested in participating in
 such a panel.

Hells yeah! :-)

The FSF just published 2 essays about the server and client sides of webapps:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2010: sponsoring

[Dave Crossland]

FontForge also added extensive Python scripting support, and is now a python
module..

 import fontforge


Regards, Dave

On 16 Feb 2010, 3:07 PM, Stani spe.stani...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:45 PM, a.l.e ale.comp...@xox.ch wrote:  hi
femke  stani   Besides ...
Besides the projects ale lists there is also sk1, fonty python, ... is
also written completely in Python. AFAIK, a lot more (if not most)
libre graphics software uses Python for scripting or API: Blender,
Inkscape, Gimp, GEGL, Krita, ... Joao gave a talk
about this two years ago.

The fact that Python is used so widely in LGM rather than any other
scripting language should make it interesting for the PSF, not one or
two applications. What could help is to have a list of projects which
use Python and which need sponsoring for travel costs.

Best regards,

Stani




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Re: [CREATE] LCA next week

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Hi!

2010/1/14 Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org:
 Who is going to be at linuxconf in New Zealand next week? We have a
 libregraphicsday on monday, and many of us will be around!

Sadly I am going to Singapore on Monday morning, but if anyone is
around on Sunday, we could meet up in the evening? :-)

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Re: [CREATE] Proprietary software company's attending LGM?

[Dave Crossland]

2009/12/31 Leonard Rosenthol leona...@pdfsages.com:

 We'd also be quite open to speaking as well...

That's the kind of reply I was hoping for!

What topics do you have in mind? :-)
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[CREATE] Proprietary software company's attending LGM?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

Over on the opencolour thread, the attendance of proprietary software
companies with open source activities was mentioned. I'm curious if anyone
knows if there will be more of this than in previous years, and which
companies might be along, as I've found such engagements one of the more
fascinating aspects of the conference :)

Regards, Dave

On 30 Dec 2009, 5:00 PM, Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de
wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:54:22 schrieb Christoph Schäfer:

 Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:41:54 schrieb Jon Phillips:  
Interesting. The question I have...
Speaking of which: I also invited Dave McAllister from Adobe to the
discussion, but so far I got no reply.

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[CREATE] LGM2010 Exact Dates?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2010/index_static.html doesn't have
the exact dates for LGM2010 are they decided yet? :-)

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Re: [CREATE] Font Select Dreams

[Dave Crossland]

2009/8/30 Braydon Fuller cour...@braydon.com:
 have you guys seen something like this?

Fonts with many variations are typically done through interpolation.
There is a proprietary tool that is very good for this and its
screencasts well explain the method: www.superpolator.com
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Re: [CREATE] Font Select Dreams

[Dave Crossland]

2009/8/30 Braydon Fuller cour...@braydon.com:

 Fonts with many variations are typically done through interpolation.
 There is a proprietary tool that is very good for this and its
 screencasts well explain the method: www.superpolator.com


 Only problem with using interpolation is that they don't take usually take
 into account the forms optical illusions. If the variations are drawn all by
 hand, optical corrections can be made...

Erm, optical sizes are one of the main uses of interpolation.

Good book on this: http://typophile.com/node/56793
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2010 - Vote on proposal

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+1 for Brussels! :)
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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2009 Group Photo

[Dave Crossland]

Yuv this is a really great image! Thanks for all your hard work!

Can it go onto the official LGM website? :-)
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[CREATE] Taxi from airport to studio

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

I am arriving at Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau (YUL) tomorrow at
5:50 PM EDT on the Air Canada flight # AC865 and will be heading to
the officlal LGM accomodation (Studio residences).

Will anyone else arrive at that time and like to share a taxi?

My mobile is +447773383772

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Re: [CREATE] 2 things about LGM 2009

[Dave Crossland]

2009/4/7 Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com:

 LGM 2009 is fast approaching.

When will the 
http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Category:Conference_Talk_2009_Accepted
category be fleshed out? :-)
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Re: [CREATE] Open Clip Art Library Release 0.19 Announcement and OCAL10K Goal Exceeeded

[Dave Crossland]

2009/3/31 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jon Phillips wrote:
 March 31, 2009 - Release 0.19 of Open Clip Art Library
 (http://www.openclipart.org), containing over 12,000

 12000

Using commas to delimit thousands is normal in English, but yes I
suppose since other latin scripts use , instead of . as the decimal
point, and we have over 12 images, this is a good idea :)
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Re: [CREATE] PiTiVi talk proposal

[Dave Crossland]

2009/2/19 Jeff web.ki...@free.fr:

 Thoughts?

I would very much appreciate this - I think that video production is a
VERY important area for free software to be viable for! :-)
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Re: [CREATE] LGM website

[Dave Crossland]

 my original idea was to put the site online yesterday evening. since
 there wasn't much feedback

I think the site is great! :-)
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