Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM, a.l.e wrote:

> voilà, having been (collectively) asked to express what i think
> about the next LGM, i will also say what was in my mind before
> reading about the offer to to argentina:
>
> we don't need an LGM in 2012.
> i how you're not shocked.
>
> we wanted a two years preparation time? let's do it. let's skip
> the LGM in 2012. let's start preparing the LGM 2013.
> and in 2012, instead of having an LGM, let's organize a bunch
> of regional meetings

This could be taken even further. Use LGM brand (well, it's an
exxageration, but still...) like TEDx brand and organize local LGMs
under LGM name. Whether they should be co-located with other events,
is an entirely different matter.

The point is, if people have a critical mass of participants who want
to talk about related stuff, and if they somehow can find sponsorship,
just let them do it.

Berlin could be European LGM next year. No need to skip it unless we
have noone to organize it.

Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[a.l.e]

hi dave,
 
> I'd like to hear from the LGM Board their thoughts :-)

i can only give my personal point of view.

since i don't know how to make it real, i don't even know how much this opinion 
is worth.

nobody wants to speak up, so it's probably more worth than no opinion at all...



personally, i think that the next LGM should be oriented toward the needs of 
the developers (or better: the programmers!), we need an LGM which puts them in 
the middle of the action.
and we should get them to actually attend!

the goal should be to bind current/past contributors to the projects and 
attract new contributors.


is it a good goal? hard to say, since it's not easy to get feedback from the 
developers themselves, and find out what their wishes for the LGM 2012 are.

personally, i have the feeling that, now, it's time to attract more people who 
do the real work for our software, who take some responsibility on them (no, we 
don't only need coders, but we badly need people who can program!)



don't get me wrong, i love how in the past LGMs more and more people from the 
culture, graphics art and academic world got involved in LG world through the 
meetings.
we get very valuable feedback and see that our software is in use! and abused!
for me it's the best i could get!


but: most of our projects don't seem to have the workforce to implement the 
wonderful ideas we are told of!



now, many things are unclear to me. (and that's the main reason why i did not 
write about it spontaneously)

1.
is the LGM the right place for promoting the participation in our projects?
i don't know... but i'd wish it could have that role!

what do the people in here think about it?
what do the developers think about it?


2.
really: do the developers want the LGM as a meeting for them?

(the numbers: only one team attended the LGM 2011; still, the attendance was 
not bad at all: most projects were there with at least one person... most of 
the time a man deeply involved with the project!)


3.
is argentina the right place for such a step?
maybe... the people promoting it, could tell us what are the benefits of 
getting there...




voilà, having been (collectively) asked to express what i think about the next 
LGM, i will also say what was in my mind before reading about the offer to to 
argentina:

we don't need an LGM in 2012.
i how you're not shocked.

we wanted a two years preparation time? let's do it. let's skip the LGM in 
2012. let's start preparing the LGM 2013.
and in 2012, instead of having an LGM, let's organize a bunch of regional 
meetings, let's participate as a group at existing events. let's promote that 
we're going to attend! and let's tell the world what we achieved there!

we already have a LGD at LCA in australia, we have proposals for a meeting in 
california (iirc), we will go to opendesktop, to fosdem, to rmll, to ccc, to 
froscon, labtolab, to LGM brasil, ... maybe to LGM argentina...

let's split the LGM all over the world, let's have regional and team internal 
meetings, let's become visible to the other people, let's blog about what went 
well and what not...
let's find out what we miss. let's find out what we need!

... and at the end of the year let's sit together and think how the LGM 2013 
should look like, how we can achieve our goals in the location we will have 
chosen.



one final wish: don't tear apart this email. don't answer to it by putting +1 
or -1 all over the place, don't reply by quoting the full mail and inserting 
here and there some comments.
i think that we can most profit of the discussion, if the people taking part 
take the time to formulate their thoughts, develop their ideas.

it's just a wish...
but, at the end, it could keep the thread to a sane length (if there is ever a 
discussion starting from here).


ciao
a.l.e
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

I'd like to hear from the LGM Board their thoughts :-)

Cheer
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Pete Ippel - hypermodern.net]

Speaking Spanish and learning about other cultures are some of my favorite
things, studied from 1993-now. I can give my talk in the native language!  I
will help organize pre-festival if Spanish/English communication is an
issue...I'm not a real-time translation expert (like you have had in the
booths) so if assistance is needed from an tech/artistic/culture/day-to-day
standpoint, I'm game.  ...and really excited.

All my best,
Pete

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Gregory Pittman  wrote:

> On 06/14/2011 12:11 PM, Lila Pagola wrote:
>
>> 2011/6/12 Felipe Sanches:
>>
>>> I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina!
>>>
>> :)
>>
>> Since I live in Argentina, me too!
>> Of course I offer all my support, and I guess I can get the same from
>> the institutions/communities I participate in... despite I don't live
>> in Buenos Aires, but in Córdoba, as Dave and Felipe know.
>>
>> I think we have much work to do in Argentina regarding libre graphics,
>> so hosting an LGM is a challenge and an excellent opportunity to build
>> a stronger community including more users, designers, artists,
>> students...
>>
>> Argentina would be also a very affordable option for our friends from
>> Brasil, Uruguay and Chile, at least, to participate of LGM.
>> best,
>>
>
> Perhaps needless to say, but I think Argentina answers concerns that many
> have had about trying to reach out to some new areas of the world for LGM.
> The key thing, as with any LGM, is the local support for organizing the
> event. I can't guarantee that I can come, but I would certainly like to and
> will try hard if that is where it ends up taking place.
>
> From the Scribus project point-of-view, I know we have some struggles
> trying to connect to the Spanish-speaking Scribus users wherever they are,
> so this could definitely advance us in that area.
>
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Gregory Pittman]

On 06/14/2011 12:11 PM, Lila Pagola wrote:

2011/6/12 Felipe Sanches:

I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina!

:)

Since I live in Argentina, me too!
Of course I offer all my support, and I guess I can get the same from
the institutions/communities I participate in... despite I don't live
in Buenos Aires, but in Córdoba, as Dave and Felipe know.

I think we have much work to do in Argentina regarding libre graphics,
so hosting an LGM is a challenge and an excellent opportunity to build
a stronger community including more users, designers, artists,
students...

Argentina would be also a very affordable option for our friends from
Brasil, Uruguay and Chile, at least, to participate of LGM.
best,


Perhaps needless to say, but I think Argentina answers concerns that 
many have had about trying to reach out to some new areas of the world 
for LGM. The key thing, as with any LGM, is the local support for 
organizing the event. I can't guarantee that I can come, but I would 
certainly like to and will try hard if that is where it ends up taking 
place.


From the Scribus project point-of-view, I know we have some struggles 
trying to connect to the Spanish-speaking Scribus users wherever they 
are, so this could definitely advance us in that area.


Greg
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Lila Pagola]

2011/6/12 Felipe Sanches :
> I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina!
:)

Since I live in Argentina, me too!
Of course I offer all my support, and I guess I can get the same from
the institutions/communities I participate in... despite I don't live
in Buenos Aires, but in Córdoba, as Dave and Felipe know.

I think we have much work to do in Argentina regarding libre graphics,
so hosting an LGM is a challenge and an excellent opportunity to build
a stronger community including more users, designers, artists,
students...

Argentina would be also a very affordable option for our friends from
Brasil, Uruguay and Chile, at least, to participate of LGM.
best,
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Valessio S Brito]

Sure! I think a fantastic place. You can count on my help.

:)

Quoting Dave Crossland :


Hi!

I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
Buenos Aires.

http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/

The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
interest in the community.

Is there such interest?

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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[John Haltiwanger]

An exciting prospect indeed!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Pete Ippel - hypermodern.net <
p...@hypermodern.net> wrote:

> I'm all in!
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Josh Andler  wrote:
>
>> If Felipe is in, I must make it a priority to attend. Perhaps we could
>> also organize the proposed inkscape dev sprint for it as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Josh
>> On Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM, "Felipe Sanches"  wrote:
>> > I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina! And I guess that Aurelio
>> Hackert
>> > (Inkscape developer), Joao Bueno (for sure!), Rodrigo Pitanga, Farid
>> > Abdelnour, Nara Oliveira, Valessio Brito and Karlisson Bezerra are some
>> of
>> > the members of the brazilian libre graphics community that would
>> probably
>> > attend also.
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Felipe Sanches (Juca)
>> > Inkscape developer
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi!
>> >>
>> >> I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
>> >> and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
>> >> Buenos Aires.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/
>> >>
>> >> The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
>> >> made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
>> >> interest in the community.
>> >>
>> >> Is there such interest?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Dave
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Pete Ippel - hypermodern.net]

I'm all in!

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Josh Andler  wrote:

> If Felipe is in, I must make it a priority to attend. Perhaps we could also
> organize the proposed inkscape dev sprint for it as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Josh
> On Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM, "Felipe Sanches"  wrote:
> > I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina! And I guess that Aurelio
> Hackert
> > (Inkscape developer), Joao Bueno (for sure!), Rodrigo Pitanga, Farid
> > Abdelnour, Nara Oliveira, Valessio Brito and Karlisson Bezerra are some
> of
> > the members of the brazilian libre graphics community that would probably
> > attend also.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Felipe Sanches (Juca)
> > Inkscape developer
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
> >> and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
> >> Buenos Aires.
> >>
> >> http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/
> >>
> >> The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
> >> made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
> >> interest in the community.
> >>
> >> Is there such interest?
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Dave
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Josh Andler]

If Felipe is in, I must make it a priority to attend. Perhaps we could also
organize the proposed inkscape dev sprint for it as well.

Cheers,
Josh
On Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM, "Felipe Sanches"  wrote:
> I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina! And I guess that Aurelio
Hackert
> (Inkscape developer), Joao Bueno (for sure!), Rodrigo Pitanga, Farid
> Abdelnour, Nara Oliveira, Valessio Brito and Karlisson Bezerra are some of
> the members of the brazilian libre graphics community that would probably
> attend also.
>
> cheers,
> Felipe Sanches (Juca)
> Inkscape developer
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
>> and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
>> Buenos Aires.
>>
>> http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/
>>
>> The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
>> made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
>> interest in the community.
>>
>> Is there such interest?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
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Re: [CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Felipe Sanches]

I would certainly attend LGM in Argentina! And I guess that Aurelio Hackert
(Inkscape developer), Joao Bueno (for sure!), Rodrigo Pitanga, Farid
Abdelnour, Nara Oliveira, Valessio Brito and Karlisson Bezerra are some of
the members of the brazilian libre graphics community that would probably
attend also.

cheers,
Felipe Sanches (Juca)
Inkscape developer

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
> and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
> Buenos Aires.
>
> http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/
>
> The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
> made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
> interest in the community.
>
> Is there such interest?
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
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[CREATE] LGM2012 in Argentina?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi!

I was running a bunch of libre font workshops in Argentina last month,
and Fundacion Gutenberg was one of the institutions who hosted me in
Buenos Aires.

http://www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar/

The staff there are extremely enthusiastic about libre graphics, and
made a serious comment about offering to host LGM 2012 if there was
interest in the community.

Is there such interest?

-- 
Cheers
Dave
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