Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread ginger coons
On my part, I'm plugging away on making a palette that physically works and
is interoperable with the ranges of a number of different ink manufacturers
(which is what I've been working on for some time now). I've had some
interest from COLOURlovers (http://www.colourlovers.com/), which may
eventually result in some support from their community.
It would be nice to roll over to a more informative, less discussion based
page for the opencolour.org URL. If there isn't any objection, I can put
that on my to-do list, alongside the palette development (ETA on the palette
is April, I hope).

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote:

 What's the latest on open colour?

 http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/13/open-colour-standard.html

 It got a huge boost in traffic, but all directed to a blank wiki page.
 Ginger and Jon, what is the 411? hopefully can do something with the
 traffic and/or interest for LGM day in LCA and in brussels, right?

 Jon

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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Louis Desjardins
Jon Phillips a écrit :
 What's the latest on open colour?
 
 http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/13/open-colour-standard.html

Hi,

Until someone points me to the exact source that supports such a 
statement in the link above: Pantone distributes both the inks and 
books of color swatches I trust Pantone doesn’t distribute nor does it 
produce any ink.

Please refer to the following sites for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantone
http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/pantone.aspx?pg=19295ca=10

Lots of people get mixed up with such assertions and I am not sure this 
helps the debate go further. Even worse I think: some people who might 
be interested into the discussion might just pull out because such false 
statement creates unnecessary confusion and noise.

Pantone is not an ink manufacturer.

Louis
 
 It got a huge boost in traffic, but all directed to a blank wiki page.
 Ginger and Jon, what is the 411? hopefully can do something with the
 traffic and/or interest for LGM day in LCA and in brussels, right?
 
 Jon
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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Christoph Schäfer
Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:13:18 schrieb Leonard Rosenthol:
 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Louis Desjardins 

 louis_desjard...@mardigrafe.com wrote:
  Pantone is not an ink manufacturer.

 Pantone, a division of XRite, most certainly produces inks, paints and
 more. I can tell you that their representative at the ICC speaks about
 their inks quite often during meetings...

If Pantone produces inks, someone forgot to tell their webmaster ;)

Pantone sells _paints_ produced by Fine Paints and _dyes_ produced by 
Clariant, but no inks. Instead they have partnerships with ink manufacturers 
around the world who get some of their inks certified by Pantone.

Cheers,

Christoph

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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Jon Phillips
Interesting. The question I have is if our efforts are important and
should be continued, and we should increase amount of energy put into
open colour (and yes, we should keep brit spelling...love it!)

Jon

2009/12/29 Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de:
 Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:13:18 schrieb Leonard Rosenthol:
 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Louis Desjardins 

 louis_desjard...@mardigrafe.com wrote:
  Pantone is not an ink manufacturer.

 Pantone, a division of XRite, most certainly produces inks, paints and
 more. I can tell you that their representative at the ICC speaks about
 their inks quite often during meetings...

 If Pantone produces inks, someone forgot to tell their webmaster ;)

 Pantone sells _paints_ produced by Fine Paints and _dyes_ produced by
 Clariant, but no inks. Instead they have partnerships with ink manufacturers
 around the world who get some of their inks certified by Pantone.

 Cheers,

 Christoph

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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 12/30/09, Jon Phillips wrote:
 Interesting. The question I have is if our efforts are important and
 should be continued

The reaction in pro segment here in RU was more or less: Um, are
there going to be colour books and all other stuff? And if I use it,
will it work for press bureaus I use to go to? How?

Alexandre
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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Christoph Schäfer
Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:41:54 schrieb Jon Phillips:
 Interesting. The question I have is if our efforts are important and
 should be continued, and we should increase amount of energy put into
 open colour (and yes, we should keep brit spelling...love it!)

 Jon

Franz Schmid and I (both from Scribus) will meet a representative of a major 
ink vendor in January. Among the topics we want to discuss is an open colour 
standard, in which the vendor is definitely interested. I think I already 
mentioned that the vendor will attend LGM in Brussels and intends to discuss 
the issues with all interested parties. I can (and will) tell you more after 
the meeting in mid-January. One thing they already told me is that they think 
the notion of numbers as intellectual property is absurd.

Cheers,

Christoph


 2009/12/29 Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de:
  Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:13:18 schrieb Leonard Rosenthol:
  On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Louis Desjardins 
 
  louis_desjard...@mardigrafe.com wrote:
   Pantone is not an ink manufacturer.
 
  Pantone, a division of XRite, most certainly produces inks, paints and
  more. I can tell you that their representative at the ICC speaks about
  their inks quite often during meetings...
 
  If Pantone produces inks, someone forgot to tell their webmaster ;)
 
  Pantone sells _paints_ produced by Fine Paints and _dyes_ produced by
  Clariant, but no inks. Instead they have partnerships with ink
  manufacturers around the world who get some of their inks certified by
  Pantone.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Christoph
 
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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Christoph Schäfer
Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:47:30 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
 On 12/30/09, Jon Phillips wrote:
  Interesting. The question I have is if our efforts are important and
  should be continued

 The reaction in pro segment here in RU was more or less: Um, are
 there going to be colour books and all other stuff? And if I use it,
 will it work for press bureaus I use to go to? How?

The ink vendor we're cooperating with (and who will make his own new standard 
freely availbale and distributeable for all FLOSS projects) is willing to 
print the colour books. They may also be willing to distribute them on a 
cost-covering basis, i.e. a fee that covers the printing and shipping costs. 
I'll know more in January.

Cheers,

Christoph
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Re: [CREATE] open colour wave ridden or not?

2009-12-29 Thread Christoph Schäfer
Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:54:22 schrieb Christoph Schäfer:
 Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 04:41:54 schrieb Jon Phillips:
  Interesting. The question I have is if our efforts are important and
  should be continued, and we should increase amount of energy put into
  open colour (and yes, we should keep brit spelling...love it!)
 
  Jon

 Franz Schmid and I (both from Scribus) will meet a representative of a
 major ink vendor in January. Among the topics we want to discuss is an open
 colour standard, in which the vendor is definitely interested. I think I
 already mentioned that the vendor will attend LGM in Brussels and intends
 to discuss the issues with all interested parties. 

Speaking of which: I also invited Dave McAllister from Adobe to the 
discussion, but so far I got no reply.

Christoph
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