Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Achille Felicetti via Crm-sig]

Dear Pat,

I confess that during the discussion at last SIG I was somewhat confused and 
not at all convinced of the logical consistency of the relationship between R10 
and R67 and I had retained many doubts at the end of the meeting. But the way 
R10 has now been remodeled, stripping away any link to R67, the new scope notes 
and examples look completely convincing to me.

I vote YES.

Ciao,
A.

> Il giorno 29 lug 2023, alle ore 23:17, Pat Riva via Crm-sig 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
> deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress 
> where the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo 
> for their approval.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Riva
> Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
> Concordia University / Université Concordia
> 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
> Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
> Canada
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>  
> 
> From: Crm-sig  > on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 
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>  
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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
> 26th.
> 
> Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
> WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
> meeting 
> 
>  was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was 
> not time to discuss a full proposal.
> 
> This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on 
> R67 (which was originally a subproperty of R10).
> 
> Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: R10 
> ).
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig]

Hi,

I thought that may be the reason. In our models the properties are 
bidirectional so from a purely logical point of view there is no no domain and 
range. All properties simply connect classes. Still it is a good and clear 
principle, so keep it as it is.


My vote is YES.


Best,

Christian-Emil



From: Pat Riva 
Sent: 02 August 2023 07:19
To: Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig; Christian-Emil Smith Ore
Subject: Re: EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

We were following the rule that a property declared in an extension must have 
its domain in the extension when reading in the normal direction. The range can 
be in CRMbase. Is it true this is the rule?

The inverse does seem more natural in the examples but maybe not in the way the 
property instances would be constructed.


Pat Riva
Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
Concordia University / Université Concordia
1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
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Ore via Crm-sig 
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 3:06 PM
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has 
member)


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Question about the direction:

R10 is member of (has member):
Domain: F1 Work
Range: E28 Conceptual Object


In all the examples the inverse is used. What is the motivation for the 
direction in the declaration?

Best,

Christian-Emil


From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 

Sent: 29 July 2023 23:17
To: CRM-SIG; Pat Riva
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has 
member)

Hello all,

Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress where 
the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo for 
their approval.

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim

Concordia University / Université Concordia

1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331

Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>




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Hello all,

I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
26th.

Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
meeting<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UlVMIea5BHoFd8SJGaTNUvC64YpyGFmyahRO0VBkT5U/edit>
 was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was not 
time to discuss a full proposal.

This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on R67 
(which was originally a subproperty of R10).

Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: 
R10<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yOHjkIo_FW1_x85zYNJbaOrGT3PRizjxcn4ZGPjLuQI/edit>).

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

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Concordia University / Université Concordia

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Canada

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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Pat Riva via Crm-sig]

We were following the rule that a property declared in an extension must have 
its domain in the extension when reading in the normal direction. The range can 
be in CRMbase. Is it true this is the rule?

The inverse does seem more natural in the examples but maybe not in the way the 
property instances would be constructed.


Pat Riva
Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
Concordia University / Université Concordia
1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>


From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Christian-Emil Smith 
Ore via Crm-sig 
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 3:06 PM
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has 
member)


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Question about the direction:

R10 is member of (has member):
Domain: F1 Work
Range: E28 Conceptual Object


In all the examples the inverse is used. What is the motivation for the 
direction in the declaration?

Best,

Christian-Emil


From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 

Sent: 29 July 2023 23:17
To: CRM-SIG; Pat Riva
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has 
member)

Hello all,

Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress where 
the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo for 
their approval.

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim

Concordia University / Université Concordia

1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331

Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>




From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 

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To: CRM-SIG 
Subject: [Crm-sig] E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)


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Hello all,

I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
26th.

Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
meeting<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UlVMIea5BHoFd8SJGaTNUvC64YpyGFmyahRO0VBkT5U/edit>
 was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was not 
time to discuss a full proposal.

This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on R67 
(which was originally a subproperty of R10).

Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: 
R10<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yOHjkIo_FW1_x85zYNJbaOrGT3PRizjxcn4ZGPjLuQI/edit>).

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim

Concordia University / Université Concordia

1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331

Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>


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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig]

Question about the direction:

R10 is member of (has member):
Domain: F1 Work
Range: E28 Conceptual Object


In all the examples the inverse is used. What is the motivation for the 
direction in the declaration?

Best,

Christian-Emil


From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 

Sent: 29 July 2023 23:17
To: CRM-SIG; Pat Riva
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has 
member)

Hello all,

Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress where 
the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo for 
their approval.

Thanks,
Pat

Pat Riva
Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
Concordia University / Université Concordia
1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>



From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 

Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:20 PM
To: CRM-SIG 
Subject: [Crm-sig] E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)


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Hello all,

I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
26th.

Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
meeting<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UlVMIea5BHoFd8SJGaTNUvC64YpyGFmyahRO0VBkT5U/edit>
 was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was not 
time to discuss a full proposal.

This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on R67 
(which was originally a subproperty of R10).

Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: 
R10<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yOHjkIo_FW1_x85zYNJbaOrGT3PRizjxcn4ZGPjLuQI/edit>).

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim

Concordia University / Université Concordia

1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331

Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca<mailto:pat.r...@concordia.ca>


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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Pierre Choffé via Crm-sig]

 Yes,
Pierre

Le 29 juil. 2023 à 23:17:15, Pat Riva via Crm-sig  a
écrit :

> Hello all,
>
> Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm *extending the
> deadline to Sunday August 20*. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress
> where the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing
> LRMoo for their approval.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> Pat Riva
>
> Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
>
> Concordia University / Université Concordia
>
> 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
>
> Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
>
> Canada
>
> pat.r...@concordia.ca
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Crm-sig  on behalf of Pat Riva via
> Crm-sig 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:20 PM
> *To:* CRM-SIG 
> *Subject:* [Crm-sig] E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)
>
>
> Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. //
> Ce courriel provient de l'extérieur du domaine de concordia.ca
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by *July
> 26th*.
>
> Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the
> LRMoo WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal
> made at the meeting
> 
> was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was
> not time to discuss a full proposal.
>
> *This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences
> on R67 (which was originally a subproperty of R10).*
>
> Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: R10
> 
> ).
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> Pat Riva
>
> Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
>
> Concordia University / Université Concordia
>
> 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
>
> Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
>
> Canada
>
> pat.r...@concordia.ca
>
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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Øyvind Eide via Crm-sig]

YES

Øyvind

> Am 29.07.2023 um 23:17 schrieb Pat Riva via Crm-sig :
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
> deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress 
> where the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo 
> for their approval.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Riva
> Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
> Concordia University / Université Concordia
> 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
> Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
> Canada
> pat.r...@concordia.ca 
>  
> 
> From: Crm-sig  > on behalf of Pat Riva via Crm-sig 
> mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:20 PM
> To: CRM-SIG mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>>
> Subject: [Crm-sig] E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)
>  
> Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca 
>  domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'extérieur du 
> domaine de concordia.ca 
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
> 26th.
> 
> Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
> WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
> meeting 
> 
>  was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was 
> not time to discuss a full proposal.
> 
> This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on 
> R67 (which was originally a subproperty of R10).
> 
> Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: R10 
> ).
> 
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> Pat Riva
> Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
> Concordia University / Université Concordia
> 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
> Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
> Canada
> pat.r...@concordia.ca 
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Re: [Crm-sig] EXTENDED DEADLINE: E-VOTE: LRMoo R10 is member of (has member)

[Pat Riva via Crm-sig]

Hello all,

Not having had any votes during this vacation period, I'm extending the 
deadline to Sunday August 20. That is the beginning of the IFLA congress where 
the BCM Review Group meeting will be held and we will be bringing LRMoo for 
their approval.

Thanks,
Pat

Pat Riva
Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
Concordia University / Université Concordia
1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
pat.r...@concordia.ca



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Hello all,

I am calling for an e-vote relating to LRMoo. Please vote on the list by July 
26th.

Background: At the end of SIG meeting #55 in May 2023 in Heraklion, the LRMoo 
WG presented a sketch of a new approach to R10 after the proposal made at the 
meeting
 was considered insufficient. This was received with interest but there was not 
time to discuss a full proposal.

This e-vote is to approve the redefinition of R10, and the consequences on R67 
(which was originally a subproperty of R10).

Please see the proposed new text in this Google doc (E-vote: 
R10).

Thanks,
Pat


Pat Riva

Interim University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim

Concordia University / Université Concordia

1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331

Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8

Canada

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