Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-18 Thread Martin Doerr 

Dear Oeyvind,

Well, I expressed just a more theoretical thought. There is a question 
of identity conditions: Is the product providing the identity to the 
activity, or the activity to the product? If the products are more 
loosely coupled such as multiple recordings, reviews etc., obviously the 
common identity they refer to is the activity experienced. If under my 
hands happens to be the keyboard of my laptop, and I package the product 
adequately, we tend to identify my writing by the produced text. 
Currently, neither CRM nor FRBR gives a good answer to a common view 
explaining the stages in between.


I consider here a more general concept of Expression than performance. I 
am not concerned if painting is performing, but that painting is an 
externalization of mental things as is theatre, singing and writing. I 
argue that causal to any art form and literature is first the 
brain-to-action process. This may or may not have a "self-contained 
form" and may or may not end up in persistent "self-contained" forms. 
Depending on the latter, I would like to be able to specialize down from 
the same overarching concept, let's call it "externalization", better 
than "expression" or "performance", which ultimately must comprise all 
signals externalized that may ever appear or are reflected in the 
products or by products or observations. I do not think that could be 
disputed.


When someone is writing ever on an unfinished work, such as 
Saint-Exupery's Citadelle, we may question if the unity and identity of 
action is better than the unity of the text...


I am just thinking if we may need at some time such a general concept, a 
nd what its limitations would be.


Cheers,

Martin


On 9/18/2018 3:19 PM, Øyvind Eide wrote:
Well, performances are usually not part of library or museum 
collections. The theatre museums I have worked with collect artefacts, 
texts, stage models etc. etc. but not performances. They do collect 
traces of performances though: reviews, programmes, posters, stage 
drawings, costumes, video recordings etc.


But once an information system is created the performances find their 
natural place there. As they do in CRM and FRBR.


Another thing is the performative aspects of art forms traditionally 
not seen as performative, such as literature. As far as I know this is 
still a disputed area.


All the best,

Øyvind

Am 18.09.2018 um 11:54 schrieb Martin Doerr >:


Dear George,

How nice!

I believe the concept of "Expression" as something permanent, i.e., 
the FRBR concept of it, actually confuses the problem. "Expression" 
is to my understanding a process, an activity, and only in a second 
meaning the product. I do not see any difference to lots of best 
singers of the world performing in their bath rooms.


What is the point in knowing the absolutely greatest work of art? A 
Zen master was asked what the most valuable thing in the world is. He 
answered: the head of a dead cat. Why? because nobody would give a 
price for it...;-)


We have discussed the "Expression Creation", the actually genuine 
Expression, as a process of externalization, and attempt to 
communicate something.  I'd say  things become culturally relevant by 
their social impact, and that is what we document.


If we would generalize over that, the result of an "Expression 
Creation" would be anything left on another carrier, be it in the 
heart of an audience, or on paper, or any other form. If the identity 
condition of such an Expression Creation is in the intention, 
carriers lost in the process as in your example would qualify. On the 
other side, if someone is eavesdropping on the bathroom song, we may 
even then talk of an Expression, or? Then, the "creation" part is 
more specific, and may be incidental or accidentally flawed.


Anyway, I think this view would greatly simplify things.

Cheers,

Martin



On 9/17/2018 10:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long 
time:


https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC=PA93=PA93=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word=bl=NLFB8BL-w9=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc=en=X=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word=false



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On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr > wrote:


On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:

Hi Thanasis,

Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. 
Scribbling your master piece in water on the

Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-18 Thread Øyvind Eide 
Well, performances are usually not part of library or museum collections. The 
theatre museums I have worked with collect artefacts, texts, stage models etc. 
etc. but not performances. They do collect traces of performances though: 
reviews, programmes, posters, stage drawings, costumes, video recordings etc.

But once an information system is created the performances find their natural 
place there. As they do in CRM and FRBR. 

Another thing is the performative aspects of art forms traditionally not seen 
as performative, such as literature. As far as I know this is still a disputed 
area. 

All the best,

Øyvind

> Am 18.09.2018 um 11:54 schrieb Martin Doerr :
> 
> Dear George,
> 
> How nice! 
> 
> I believe the concept of "Expression" as something permanent, i.e., the FRBR 
> concept of it, actually confuses the problem. "Expression" is to my 
> understanding a process, an activity, and only in a second meaning the 
> product. I do not see any difference to lots of best singers of the world 
> performing in their bath rooms. 
> 
> What is the point in knowing the absolutely greatest work of art? A Zen 
> master was asked what the most valuable thing in the world is. He answered: 
> the head of a dead cat. Why? because nobody would give a price for it...;-)
> 
> We have discussed the "Expression Creation", the actually genuine Expression, 
> as a process of externalization, and attempt to communicate something.  I'd 
> say  things become culturally relevant by their social impact, and that is 
> what we document.
> 
> If we would generalize over that, the result of an "Expression Creation" 
> would be anything left on another carrier, be it in the heart of an audience, 
> or on paper, or any other form. If the identity condition of such an 
> Expression Creation is in the intention, carriers lost in the process as in 
> your example would qualify. On the other side, if someone is eavesdropping on 
> the bathroom song, we may even then talk of an Expression, or? Then, the 
> "creation" part is more specific, and may be incidental or accidentally 
> flawed.
> 
> Anyway, I think this view would greatly simplify things.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/17/2018 10:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
>> I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long time:
>> 
>> https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC=PA93=PA93=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word=bl=NLFB8BL-w9=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc=en=X=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word=false
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
 Hi Thanasis,
 
 Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. Scribbling 
 your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or so. So I would 
 agree that the language should probably change to reflect that.
>>> Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks etc. 
>>> Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not exclusive to one 
>>> carrier.
>>> 
>>> But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Martin
 
 Cheers,
 
 George
 
 
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> On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios  > wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an answer 
> for:
> 
> Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22?
> 
> Its scope note starts with:

Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-18 Thread Martin Doerr 

Dear George,

How nice!

I believe the concept of "Expression" as something permanent, i.e., the 
FRBR concept of it, actually confuses the problem. "Expression" is to my 
understanding a process, an activity, and only in a second meaning the 
product. I do not see any difference to lots of best singers of the 
world performing in their bath rooms.


What is the point in knowing the absolutely greatest work of art? A Zen 
master was asked what the most valuable thing in the world is. He 
answered: the head of a dead cat. Why? because nobody would give a price 
for it...;-)


We have discussed the "Expression Creation", the actually genuine 
Expression, as a process of externalization, and attempt to communicate 
something.  I'd say  things become culturally relevant by their social 
impact, and that is what we document.


If we would generalize over that, the result of an "Expression Creation" 
would be anything left on another carrier, be it in the heart of an 
audience, or on paper, or any other form. If the identity condition of 
such an Expression Creation is in the intention, carriers lost in the 
process as in your example would qualify. On the other side, if someone 
is eavesdropping on the bathroom song, we may even then talk of an 
Expression, or? Then, the "creation" part is more specific, and may be 
incidental or accidentally flawed.


Anyway, I think this view would greatly simplify things.

Cheers,

Martin



On 9/17/2018 10:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long 
time:


https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC=PA93=PA93=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word=bl=NLFB8BL-w9=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc=en=X=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word=false



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On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr > wrote:


On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:

Hi Thanasis,

Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. 
Scribbling your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin 
or so. So I would agree that the language should probably change to 
reflect that.
Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks 
etc. Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not 
exclusive to one carrier.


But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.

Cheers,

Martin


Cheers,

George


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On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios > wrote:


Dear all,

I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an 
answer for:


Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of 
E22?


Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem 
on a

rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
should update the scope note to reflect that.

All the best,

Thanasis
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Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-18 Thread Athanasios Velios 

LRM-E4 Manifestation is talking about sets of "carriers" which I think
is fine. LRM-E5 Item is defined as:

"An object or objects carrying signs intended to convey intellectual or
artistic content."

which may be problematic, especially when the scope note refers to a
"portion of the disk" for digital items. Maybe change "object" to
"physical thing" or "physical entity" or simply "objects or parts of
objects"?

FRBRoo proposal:

Scope note of F4 Manifestation Singleton to change from:

"This class comprises physical objects that each carry an..."

to:

"This class comprises instances of E24 Physical Man-Made Thing that each
carry an..."

All the best,

Thanasis

On 17/09/2018 19:10, Martin Doerr wrote:

On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:

Hi Thanasis,

Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors.
Scribbling your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or
so. So I would agree that the language should probably change to
reflect that.

Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks etc.
Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not exclusive to
one carrier.

But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.

Cheers,

Martin


Cheers,

George


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On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios mailto:a.vel...@arts.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear all,

I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an
answer for:

Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22?

Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem on a
rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
should update the scope note to reflect that.

All the best,

Thanasis
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Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-17 Thread George Bruseker 
I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long time:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC=PA93=PA93=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word=bl=NLFB8BL-w9=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc=en=X=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word=false
 




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> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr  wrote:
> 
> On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
>> Hi Thanasis,
>> 
>> Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. Scribbling 
>> your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or so. So I would 
>> agree that the language should probably change to reflect that.
> Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks etc. Need 
> not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not exclusive to one carrier.
> 
> But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Martin
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> 
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>> Science and Technology Park of Crete
>> Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385, GR-711 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece
>> 
>> Tel.: +30 2810 391619   Fax: +30 2810 391638   E-mail: bruse...@ics.forth.gr 
>> 
>> URL: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an answer for:
>>> 
>>> Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22?
>>> 
>>> Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
>>> and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
>>> features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem on a
>>> rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
>>> should update the scope note to reflect that.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Thanasis
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Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-17 Thread Martin Doerr 

On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:

Hi Thanasis,

Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. 
Scribbling your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or 
so. So I would agree that the language should probably change to 
reflect that.
Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks etc. 
Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not exclusive to 
one carrier.


But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.

Cheers,

Martin


Cheers,

George


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On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios > wrote:


Dear all,

I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an 
answer for:


Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22?

Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem on a
rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
should update the scope note to reflect that.

All the best,

Thanasis
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Re: [Crm-sig] Parent of F4 Manifestation Singleton

2018-09-16 Thread George Bruseker 
Hi Thanasis,

Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. Scribbling your 
master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or so. So I would agree that 
the language should probably change to reflect that.

Cheers,

George


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> On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an answer for:
> 
> Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22?
> 
> Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
> and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
> features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem on a
> rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
> should update the scope note to reflect that.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Thanasis
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