Re: Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC)
--- begin forwarded text From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:20:08 +0300 Subject: Re: Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reminder: the Micro Payments BOF at the next IETF (in Wahington DC) will occur on Monday, Nov. 8th, at 1530-1730. Enclosed are the current agenda (subject to change - proposals welcome) and description. Notice that at least we (IBM) plan to describe in details our payment messages, to facilitate interoperable implementations and to serve as potential basis for a standard. Unfortunately, I found out I'll not be able to go to the IETF as I must be in another place. I'm exteremly disappointed and very sorry; I was looking forward to this event and to meet many of you in face to face. In coordination with the area director, Ilan Zisser (cc:ed) will chair the BOF instead of me. Ilan Zisser is IBM Micro Payments product manager, and while less of you know him, he is probably a better person to present our stuff anyway as he is the one doing the implementation -and also since I think he is better in explaining things. Also I'm sure he will chair the session fairly. Please excuse cross posting - and forward to relevant persons and groups. Thanks! Agenda: 15:30-15;40: Welcome and review of agenda - Ilan Zisser 15:40-15:50 Report on the W3C Micropayments Markup spec -Thierry Michell, W3C 16:00-16:40 Release 1.3 of IBM Micro Payments implementation of the W3C Micropayments Markup spec, and our goals for the standard - Ilan Zisser, IBM 16:40-16:50 Mark Manasse (Compaq): what we're (MilliCent) hoping for in a standard 16:50-16:55 Bob Hettinga on `IBUC's intent to fund open-source reference software (wallet/registerware and underwriting server) for bearer millidollar transactions conforming to an open standard. Which probably means this standard, if...` (there's always an if in these thing isn't there :-) - A.H.) 16:55-17:10 reserved for additional brief presentations on implementations and positions on the standard 17:10-17:25 Discussion - should IETF form a WG to define a (micro) payment standard? If so what should be the charter/goals? Should we simply define an open standard for interoperating with IBM Micro Payments (rather than pre-define that this is `the` micropayments standard - allow for competing proposals to be standardized as well and see what people will adopt), or should we compare different approaches and designs (are such available in open form)? 17:25-17:30 Summary by Ilan Zisser and/or area director. Description - Micro Payments BOF (micropay): The Internet is quickly becoming the prefered method of delivery for information and on-line services. The growth of this industry is resticted by the limited availability of secure online payment mechanisms, especially for small amounts. Micropayments are designed to allow charging of small amounts, where the minimal fees of credit-card payments are unacceptable. There have been, and still are, many attempts at providing a micropayments solution, however so far none of them was successful, and in particular none of the deployed systems seems to be able to reach critical mass of buyers and sellers. Furthermore, even if one or more of these systems gain popularity, the lack of standardization may slow down their availability. In this BOF we'll review some recent micropayment markup standardization spec from the W3C, and discuss whether the IETF should attempt to contribute standards in this area - i.e. should we create a micropayments WG (and if so what would its charter and goals be). Best Regards, Amir Herzberg Manager, E-Business and Security Technologies IBM Research Lab in Haifa (Tel Aviv Office) http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com New e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Lotus notes mail: amir herzberg/haifa/ibm@IBMIL --- end forwarded text - Robert A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC)
--- begin forwarded text From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:44:49 +0300 Subject: Re: Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a reminder (see note below) that we plan to have a Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF. Please let me know if you are interested in presenting; preference will be given to presentations on the following topics: Goals of (micro)payment standardization activity in the IETF Reports on implementations of the W3C Micropayments Markup spec Reports on open designs which are proposed as basis for potential IETF standardization. In particular, I plan to present release 1.3 of IBM Micro Payments, which will implement W3C Micropayments Markup spec (I'll provide the details to make it very easy for others to interoperate), as well as open design. On that regard, I'll describe in details the APIs to allow integration (e.g. OEM) with wallet UI, merchant server, and legacy billing systems. I also plan to describe the protocols, although I can't promise to have them in Internet-Draft level of details (to allow interoperability); we'll do the effort of creating this level of documentation if there is sufficient interest by others (to implement etc.). As according to IETF regulations, proposals should describe in advance any intellectual property they believe somebody may own covering their proposals. (We believe the only patents or IPR on our design are the classical public key patents.) Please forward this note to potential interested parties. Best Regards, Amir Herzberg Manager, E-Business and Security Technologies IBM Research - Haifa Lab (Tel Aviv Office) http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com New e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Lotus notes mail: amir herzberg/haifa/ibm@IBMIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29/08/99 10:36:30 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeffrey Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrik Faltstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeffrey Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED], mpay markup@IBMIL, micropay@IBMIL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Amir Herzberg/Haifa/IBM) Subject: Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC) Jeff, thanks. Please let me know the slot we got when assigned and I'll inform the community. For allocation purposes I assume a 2-hour slot unless will inform us otherwise. All: as noted below, Jeff Schiller, Security AD in the IETF, and the IESG, have agreed to hold a micropayments BOF in the next IETF (Nov. 99 in Wash. DC). The goals of the BOF are: Report on the W3C `Micro Payments Markup` recommendation which just entered `last call`. This is the result of the work of the MicroPayments working group of the W3C (chaired by Mark Manasses from Compaq and myself). Please notice the last call period will end earlier (I believe Sept. 30) so people who wish to comment on it are encouraged to do so using the (open to public) comment mailing list. The draft itself and other details are available in the W3C web site, www.w3c.org. In the traditional IETF spirit, reports on implementations (of the recommendation) would be encouraged. Explore whether there is need and sufficient interest to define an interoperable payment protocol suitable (at least) for micropayments, and if so, decide on the best means (most likely a request for new IETF WG). To this discussion, presentations by developers as well as customers and others of opinion are solicited. Please notice that the IESG has _not_ discussed or approved yet the creation of such a working group (neither was a request made yet). If time remains, short reports of developers of micropayment products may be presented, with the hope that this will eventually lead to more openness, cooperation and interoperability. Please notice there is already a mailing list dedicated to this potential standardization activity, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use this list to comment on the BOF or for relevant discussions even before the physical BOF. These headers explain everything: List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Digest: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I suggest that proposals for presentations in the BOF be sent to me and I'll coordinate it (unless Jeff wants somebody else to do it). A related note: we try to maintain an updated list of _all_ resources, vendors, consultants, researches, and others in the `micropayments community`, we call this the `sub-$ registry` and it is a link off our IBM Micro Payments homepage http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com/mpay (don't have exact link now - I'm offline - but it's easy to find). Please let me know if you need to be added or have better details than what we got now... Best Regards, Amir Herzberg Manager, E-Business and Security Technologies IBM
Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC)
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Jeff, thanks. Please let me know the slot we got when assigned and I'll
inform the community. For allocation purposes I assume a 2-hour slot unless
will inform us otherwise.
All: as noted below, Jeff Schiller, Security AD in the IETF, and the IESG,
have agreed to hold a micropayments BOF in the next IETF (Nov. 99 in Wash.
DC). The goals of the BOF are:
Report on the W3C `Micro Payments Markup` recommendation which just
entered `last call`. This is the result of the work of the MicroPayments
working group of the W3C (chaired by Mark Manasses from Compaq and
myself). Please notice the last call period will end earlier (I believe
Sept. 30) so people who wish to comment on it are encouraged to do so
using the (open to public) comment mailing list. The draft itself and
other details are available in the W3C web site, www.w3c.org. In the
traditional IETF spirit, reports on implementations (of the
recommendation) would be encouraged.
Explore whether there is need and sufficient interest to define an
interoperable payment protocol suitable (at least) for micropayments,
and if so, decide on the best means (most likely a request for new IETF
WG). To this discussion, presentations by developers as well as
customers and others of opinion are solicited. Please notice that the
IESG has _not_ discussed or approved yet the creation of such a working
group (neither was a request made yet).
If time remains, short reports of developers of micropayment products
may be presented, with the hope that this will eventually lead to more
openness, cooperation and interoperability.
Please notice there is already a mailing list dedicated to this potential
standardization activity, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use this list to
comment on the BOF or for relevant discussions even before the physical
BOF. These headers explain everything:
List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Unubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Digest: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, I suggest that proposals for presentations in the BOF be sent to
me and I'll coordinate it (unless Jeff wants somebody else to do it).
A related note: we try to maintain an updated list of _all_ resources,
vendors, consultants, researches, and others in the `micropayments
community`, we call this the `sub-$ registry` and it is a link off our IBM
Micro Payments homepage http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com/mpay (don't have exact
link now - I'm offline - but it's easy to find). Please let me know if you
need to be added or have better details than what we got now...
Best Regards,
Amir Herzberg
Manager, E-Business and Security Technologies
IBM Research - Haifa Lab (Tel Aviv Office)
http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com
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Jeffrey Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 26/08/99 19:32:06
Please respond to Jeffrey Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Amir Herzberg/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
cc: Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrik Faltstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeffrey Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED], mpay
markup@IBMIL
Subject: Re: Request for a Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99,
Wash DC)
We discussed this on the IESG telechat this morning and we agreed that
we will host this BOF in the security area. This is not a commitment
on the part of the IETF to necessarily form a working group. However a
BOF makes good sense at this time.
-Jeff
Original Message
On 8/25/99, 3:14:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding
Request for a Micro Payments BOF in the next IETF (Nov 99, Wash DC):
Dear all,
I'm chairing the W3C Working Group on Micro Payments. We now move to
`last
call` a recommendation on Micro Payments markup. There is also
interest,
among the W3C WG participants and others, to proceed to define an
interoperable protocol. Would you agree to allocate a BOF slot at the
next
IETF for us to report on our results and to gauge the level of
interest in
such follow-up work for interoperable payment protocol? If there will
be
interest, we'll see where this activity belongs - possibly another
W3C/IETF
cooperation.
Best Regards,
Amir Herzberg
Manager, E-Business and Security Technologies
IBM Research - Haifa Lab (Tel Aviv Office)
http://www.hrl.il.ibm.com
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New Lotus notes mail: amir herzberg/haifa/ibm@IBMI
