Re: Exact time/date of RSA Expiration

2000-07-26 Thread Matt Crawford

For crying out loud, "De minimis non curat lex."  For legal purposes,
I can't see anyone getting in even token trouble over a matter of a
minute, an hour, a time zone, or a day.

But the *party* is the important thing.




RE: Exact time/date of RSA Expiration

2000-07-25 Thread Heyman, Michael

 From: Will Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 Can anybody provide insight into the question of exactly when the RSA
 patent expires beyond just September 20?
 
35 USC 154(2) says the term shall begin on the date on which the patent
issues and ending 20 years from the date on which the application for the
patent was filed in the United States... (conditions are given for earlier
effective filing dates-like contionuations etc.-, and for extensions).  I
take this to mean that a patent is good for 20 years, ie, enforceable,
whereever IT is.  Thus, if the 20 years is up in England, and you are in
California where the date is still active, it is still enforceable there.
Remember, a patent is just like property, whereever the property is, a court
in that jurisdiction will recognize it.

Similarly, if a patent runs out on a particular date, all a person need do
is wait until the beginning of the next day where HE is to use it (because
the courts in the jurisdiction where the person is, control).  However, care
should be taken to not use the patent in a jurisdiction where the patent is
still active.

-Michael Heyman




Re: Exact time/date of RSA Expiration

2000-07-25 Thread Scot Wilcoxon

Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
 Since the patent went into effect Midnight, Sept. 20, 1983, EDT, logic
 would dictate that at the stroke of midnight on Sept 20, 2000, you would
 be able to post such things.

Next you need a legal definition of "stroke of midnight".
00:00:00 Sept 20?
00:00:01 Sept 20?
00:00:00 Sept 21?
00:00:01 Sept 21?




Re: Exact time/date of RSA Expiration

2000-07-24 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Will Price wrote:

 Can anybody provide insight into the question of exactly when the RSA
 patent expires beyond just September 20?
 
 Does that mean that previously infringing software can be made
 available *on* September 20 or on September 21? Is there a particular
 time of day on September 20 when this takes effect? Is this
 expiration Eastern Time for the Patent Office or Pacific Time for
 RSADSI? In other words, could such things be posted at midnight
 Eastern on September 20?

Note that I am not a lawyer, but...

Since the patent went into effect Midnight, Sept. 20, 1983, EDT, logic
would dictate that at the stroke of midnight on Sept 20, 2000, you would
be able to post such things.

Also note that the patent lists the three inventors as Massachusetts
residents. I can't imagine that the current physical location of RSADSI
would impact the patent expiration date.

Your best course of action would be to consult a lawyer who deals with
these issues, however.

-MW-