Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. They'll also falsely block you not because your config is insecure but because it doesnt match their preferred configuration. Quite irritating if you ever tried running your own mail server. Adam On 1 January 2015 at 19:12, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: He's been running an open relay since like 2000 or something... why not its his relay. Adam On 1 January 2015 at 18:40, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off the blacklist. Why are you running an open relay in 2014? -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. DNSBLs do occasionally get false positives, this is true. In this case, it is not really a false positive if spammers are relaying spam through your insecure server is it? They'll also falsely block you not because your config is insecure but because it doesnt match their preferred configuration. Quite irritating if you ever tried running your own mail server. Their preferred configuration is is it relaying spam or not?. Open relays = relaying spam. He can run his open relay if he wants to, but, he also loses all right to bitching about getting blacklisted when his open relay is spewing garbage. -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
He's been running an open relay since like 2000 or something... why not its his relay. Adam On 1 January 2015 at 18:40, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off the blacklist. Why are you running an open relay in 2014? -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off the blacklist. Why are you running an open relay in 2014? -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. DNSBLs do occasionally get false positives, this is true. In this case, it is not really a false positive if spammers are relaying spam through your insecure server is it? Some of them willfully misclassify. In the past, one of the blacklist services used to escalate the range of the blacklist surrounding an IP if a provider/ISP did not stop a spammer. The blacklist range was made ever broader to apply pressure to the provider/ISP. I'm not sure if its a current practice. It got so bad with ATT in the past, that I could not send emails from a US federal agency to my home account because the home account was using one of those blacklists services. So my home account would reject the email from the federal agency because the list was expanded to a Class B or C (IIRC) to apply pressure to ATT. Jeff ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On 1/1/2015 14:18, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Some of them willfully misclassify. In the past, one of the blacklist services used to escalate the range of the blacklist surrounding an IP if a provider/ISP did not stop a spammer. The blacklist range was made ever broader to apply pressure to the provider/ISP. I'm not sure if its a current practice. It got so bad with ATT in the past, that I could not send emails from a US federal agency to my home account because the home account was using one of those blacklists services. So my home account would reject the email from the federal agency because the list was expanded to a Class B or C (IIRC) to apply pressure to ATT. Jeff Spamhaus is one that does this for sure. Example: ColoCrossing/VelocityServers et. al. -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Sadiq Saif wrote: Spamhaus is one that does this [expanding listings for the intransigent]. I think they start targeting the corporate servers, too, to drive the point home to the suits. More power to 'em... If it wasn't for DNSBLs, email would not be possible (something the frea speach frothers seem to overlook). -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) Bliss is a MacBook with a FreeBSD server. http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there) ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
[cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
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Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:16 AM, John Young j...@pipeline.com wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm John(Gnu): Likely Trilight Zone is not an app (like cspace), it's a service (like other/similar services they claim to be concerned about in media-35535.pdf). Best used in the noted conjunction '+' chains. https://www.trilightzone.org/ CSpace looks like a single hop p2p transport net, with some API'd apps included. http://www.anonymous-p2p.org/cspace.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CSpace https://groups.google.com/d/forum/cspace-users http://www.mail-archive.com/cspace-users@tachyon.in/ http://board.planetpeer.de/index.php?topic=1852.0 http://board.planetpeer.de/index.php?action=profile;u=41 http://board.planetpeer.de/index.php?action=profile;u=41;sa=showPosts ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
