[css-d] Can margins be reduced when an H1 is directly above another heading?

2006-03-03 Thread Poyner, Matt
I'm sorry that none of our files are for public consumption yet, so I
don't have an example to show, but...

 

All pages on our site have an H1 as the page title. We have defined
H2-H5 as our four levels of subheads.

 

A top margin is added to these headings to space them from the
paragraph/content that comes before each one (a normal convention, I'm
sure).

 

The problem we run into is when a heading is the first content on the
page (this is the case about 90% of the time) There is too much space
between the title (H1) and the next heading (usually H2).

 

So, is there a way through CSS to declare that margins should return to
0 for H2 in the following case:

 

H1This is Matt's Page/H1

H2Introduction/H2

 

 

Or, do I need to create a class for these special occasions?

 

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [css-d] Can margins be reduced when an H1 is directly above another heading?

2006-03-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Hi Matt:

Poyner, Matt wrote:
 So, is there a way through CSS to declare that margins should return to 0 for 
 H2 in the following case:

 H1This is Matt's Page/H1

 H2Introduction/H2

 Or, do I need to create a class for these special occasions?

   
I could be wrong, but I think that this is the way to do it:

h1 + h2 { margin: 0;}

Btw, a useful cheat sheet can be found here [1]. It's where I got that 
tip re: selectors off.
 Thanks,

 Matt
Regards,
Rahul.

[1] http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css/css-cheat-sheet/


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Re: [css-d] Can margins be reduced when an H1 is directly above anotherheading?

2006-03-03 Thread Els
Poyner, Matt wrote:

 A top margin is added to these headings to space them from the
 paragraph/content that comes before each one (a normal
 convention, I'm sure).

 The problem we run into is when a heading is the first content
 on the page (this is the case about 90% of the time) There is
 too much space between the title (H1) and the next heading
 (usually H2).

 So, is there a way through CSS to declare that margins should
 return to 0 for H2 in the following case:

 H1This is Matt's Page/H1

 H2Introduction/H2

 Or, do I need to create a class for these special occasions?

There is CSS to define an h2 following an h1, but it's not 
supported by all the browsers. A class is of course an option, 
but personally, I usually set all top-margins for h* and p to 0, 
and define only bottom margins. In your case, if you only have a 
problem when an h2 follows an h1, how about just setting the 
bottom margin (and perhaps padding) of the h1 to 0? Would it then 
get too close to a following paragraph if there weren't an h2?

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[css-d] bottom border not visible in EI 6.2 WIN

2006-03-03 Thread Mike

Greetings,
This page:
http://crcyclists.org//nl/2006/mar-ap/p1.html
will not display the bottom border in the #info DIV.

It displays OK in FF 1.7 WIN

CSS is contained in the header.

Ideas?

Thanks,
-Mike 
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[css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
I have done some searching and head scratching over this one for a
couple of days now. I have the following;

/* header */
#header {
position: fixed;
height: auto;
}
#header div.left {
background-image:
url(../grfx/1280_header_left_anim_out_only.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
float: left;
width: 270px;
height: 165px;
}
 
#header div.right {
background-image: url(../grfx/1280_header_right.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 165px;
margin-left 270px;
padding: 0;
}
/* hide from other browsers \*/ 
* html .left {margin-right: -3px;} 
* html .right {margin-left: 0;} 
/* end hide */

Now, this probably demonstrates my amateur status with CSS, even though
I have been using it for several years now, I am no guru.

Anyhow, without the hide from other browsers section in IE there is a
3px gap between the left and the right image. (I have the images as
backgrounds because other items will be placed in front of them). In
Mozilla the right image doesn't show up at all. Am I doing something
terribly wrong where lining up two images is concerned? I would like to
do it without tables and I would like it to look fine in a majority of
browsersis that asking too much?

I feel like such an id10t at this point.
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[css-d] head scratcher in IE (what else?)

2006-03-03 Thread Erwin Heiser
Hi all,

Pages are here:
http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/en/
http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/es/
http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/de/

CSS is here (significant rules are the 4 rules at the very bottom):

http://www.readshotel.com/index.php?css=main/core.css



Does anyone have any suggestions regarding the following problem: the
(unsightly but client wants it that way)  red banner should change language
when you switch the language in the upper right corner (en - es - de). It's
just a different background image for each language.
This happens correctly in every browser except IE6 which only displays this
background image on the english page but refuses to do so on the spanish and
german page...
I'm at a total loss here, any takers ??

Cheers,

erwin
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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread Els
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have done some searching and head scratching over this one
 for a couple of days now. I have the following;

[snip code]

 Anyhow, without the hide from other browsers section in IE
 there is a 3px gap between the left and the right image. (I
 have the images as backgrounds because other items will be
 placed in front of them). In Mozilla the right image doesn't
 show up at all. Am I doing something terribly wrong where
 lining up two images is concerned? I would like to do it
 without tables and I would like it to look fine in a majority
 of browsersis that asking too much?

Difficult to tell with nothing more than the CSS code.
How about a url, so that we can see the HTML code as well as the 
circumstances?

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Re: [css-d] head scratcher in IE (what else?)

2006-03-03 Thread Ingo Chao
Erwin Heiser wrote:
 http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/en/
 http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/es/
 http://www.readshotel.com/index.php/hotel/about/de/

 http://www.readshotel.com/index.php?css=main/core.css
  
 Does anyone have any suggestions regarding the following problem: the
 (unsightly but client wants it that way)  red banner should change language
 when you switch the language in the upper right corner (en - es - de). It's
 just a different background image for each language.
 This happens correctly in every browser except IE6 which only displays this
 background image on the english page but refuses to do so on the spanish and
 german page...


#comm.en {
background-image: ...
}

#comm.es {
background-image: ...
}

#comm.de {
background-image: ...
}


div id=comm class=es/div


IE Win will look into the first rule of #id.class only, but if the class 
does not match, IE will refuse to look further in other #id.class rules.

It's called the the multiple #id.class bug
   http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=InternetExplorerWinBugs
   http://sonspring.com/index.php?id=102

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
[snip]
Difficult to tell with nothing more than the CSS code.
How about a url, so that we can see the HTML code as well as the 
circumstances?
[/snip]

I will try to post it in a bit. The HTML is...

div id=header
div class=left/div
div class=right/div
/div!-- /header --
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Re: [css-d] bottom border not visible in EI 6.2 WIN

2006-03-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Mike:

WV Mike wrote:
 At 10:11 AM 3/3/2006 , Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
 Please do validate your pages before posting them on CSS-D. It will 
 not only most likely fix the problem, but is also a good practice to 
 do so.

 Validation does not always help me. Will you?
Gladly. However, I would strongly suggest that you validate your pages 
prior to posting them. It often picks up the small typos that all of us 
make - like your leaving out the semi-colon at the end of the last line 
of every style rule; or the fact that you were using an unrecognised 
doctype.

This post explains the joys of validation in much greater detail [1] *.

The HTML code was mostly correct, apart from the lack of a recognised 
doctype, and a bunch of small issues - the use of an ID twice, etc, etc.

I would like to help you out as much as my skill will allow me to; 
however, I am restricted by my experience. I do see that adding a height 
to the #info does cause the border to display, but messes the rest of it 
up. A hasLayout bug? I wouldn't even know where to begin there.

Going back to the original issue of validation, I would like to stress 
that validating ensures that there are no obvious errors on the page. I 
would not like to waste this lists time, and I would presume that no one 
else would either. So; in future, do validate - by doing so you show 
that you are willing to put time into your page and you give the 
list-members a reason to do so as well.
 -Mike
Regards,
Rahul.

[1] http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

* In the post, Mark mentions that a guru-designer tells a newbie to 
validate. I would not presume any such competence; I am a complete 
newbie here.

PS: I am about to go on a 120-km cycling trip tomorrow! Coincidence? 
;-). The rides sound wonderful though!

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread Els
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.sigmaphinothing.org/template.html

 Is the one with the

 /* hide from other browsers \*/
 * html .left {margin-right: -3px;}
 * html .right {margin-left: 0;}
 /* end hide */

 Which works in IE.
 http://www.sigmaphinothing.org/template2.html has that section
 removed from its CSS and you can see a 3px gap between images.
 Look at this in almost any other browser and you do not see
 the right image at all.

To make it appear in other browsers, add a width to #header, and
put a colon in the margin-left 270px for div.right ;-)

The 3px gap is the 3px jog bug, which can be remedied either by
the way you did it, or else like so:
/* \*/
* html #header div.right{
position:relative;
left:-3px;
}
/* */

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
[snip]
To make it appear in other browsers, add a width to #header, and
put a colon in the margin-left 270px for div.right ;-)

The 3px gap is the 3px jog bug, which can be remedied either by
the way you did it, or else like so:
/* \*/
* html #header div.right{
position:relative;
left:-3px;
}
[/snip]

Thanks for the insight. These fixes do not work in Mozilla however, the
right iamge is still not visible. I'll keep hacking away.
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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
[snip]
Thanks for the insight. These fixes do not work in Mozilla however, the
right iamge is still not visible. I'll keep hacking away.[/snip]

Also, these fixes do not work in Opera and there are other problems
there. Crud.
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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
[snip]
Which Mozilla is that? It does work in mine (1.7.5 for Linux), as 
well as in Firebird (pre-FF), *and* in Opera (8.5) on Windows, 
IE6, IE7, Firefox:
[/snip]

Mozilla 1.5.0.1 (windows)
Opera 8.52 (windows)

I don't have a linux box set up with a monitor where I can check it from
there.
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[css-d] Which browser do I design for?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
The past several days have brought much frustration and leads me to the
question, which browser do I design for?

I have been designing web sites for over 10 years (I have a programming
background) and I have been using CSS, fairly basically, for the past
several years. During most of that time I was designing for web
applications where I could control the browser being used. Now I am back
into the public domain and checking layouts in what I consider to be the
three most popular web browsers (IE, Mozilla, Opera).

Of course designs are much more complex in this day and age and the
advent of CSS means very good things for designers. I remember when
mark-up would not render the same in all browsers (and still does not in
some cases).

At the risk of igniting a holy war I am curious about what others here
do.
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Re: [css-d] Which browser do I design for?

2006-03-03 Thread Jim Nannery
Morning

Jblanchard wrote


 The past several days have brought much frustration and leads me to the
 question, which browser do I design for?


Most on this list would agree that it is best to design / code for Fire Fox 
or Opera and make corrections as needed for IE

Best to all

Jim Nannery
www.redfernenterprises.com 

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread Brian Funk
on 3/3/2006 10:52 AM Els said the following:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Thanks for the insight. These fixes do not work in Mozilla
 however, the right iamge is still not visible. I'll keep
 hacking away.
 
 Which Mozilla is that? It does work in mine (1.7.5 for Linux), as 
 well as in Firebird (pre-FF), *and* in Opera (8.5) on Windows, 
 IE6, IE7, Firefox:
 
 http://here.locusmeus.com/temp/jblanchard.html
 

It shows as intended here on FF 1.5.0.1 Win2k

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Re: [css-d] bottom border not visible in EI 6.2 WIN

2006-03-03 Thread WV Mike

Thanks,
That worked.
-Mike
=

At 12:44 PM 3/3/2006 , Ingo Chao wrote:
That would be something like
   #info { border-bottom: 1px solid; width: 100%}
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[css-d] Circumventing inheritance

2006-03-03 Thread Theresa Mesa
I have some navigation where the last item in the navigation needs to have
text in a different color. The color of the text is set in #list-menu.

I've tried a variety of ways to have this last item in the navigation a
different color, and I'm having no luck. I know this is an inheritance
problem. My Definitive Guide to CSS isn't addressing this particular issue
on pages 146-148. What am I missing? Your thoughts? Thanks in advance!

http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
http://mdh-test.com/egs.css


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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread Els
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]
 Which Mozilla is that? It does work in mine (1.7.5 for Linux),
 as well as in Firebird (pre-FF), *and* in Opera (8.5) on
 Windows, IE6, IE7, Firefox:
 [/snip]

 Mozilla 1.5.0.1 (windows)

I'm sure you mean Firefox? That's the same one I have, and it 
works here.

 Opera 8.52 (windows)

So, I've now downloaded Opera 8.52 for Windows, and my example 
still holds. (I was using 8.5 when I first tested the working 
page).
Can you show me your edited template that doesn't work in Opera 
8.52 and Firefox 1.5.0.1?

 I don't have a linux box set up with a monitor where I can
 check it from there.

I only tested Mozilla on Linux, because you said it didn't work 
in Mozilla, and I don't have Mozilla on this Windows box. I did 
test it in all my other browsers, and all work.

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Re: [css-d] Circumventing inheritance

2006-03-03 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
If you give the last li an *ID* of 'environet', you can set you colours
with:

#environet a:link, #environet a:visited, #environet a:hover {
color: #FF9933;
}

as long as this is placed after your main link colour definitions. Read up
on 'specificity' on the W3C site to get a handle on this. 


snip

I have some navigation where the last item in the navigation needs to have
text in a different color. The color of the text is set in #list-menu.

I've tried a variety of ways to have this last item in the navigation a
different color, and I'm having no luck. I know this is an inheritance
problem. My Definitive Guide to CSS isn't addressing this particular issue
on pages 146-148. What am I missing? Your thoughts? Thanks in advance!

http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
http://mdh-test.com/egs.css

/snip

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread jblanchard
[snip]
I'm sure you mean Firefox? That's the same one I have, and it 
works here.
[/snip]

I got it now, I hadn't upload the CSS to all of the places I was
looking. *urp*

The only tricky little thing is that the footer is below the scrollbar
on FF when the browser is not maxed. It is OK in Opera and IE.

Thanks for all of your help!
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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread Ingo Chao
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.sigmaphinothing.org/template.html
 
 Is the one with the 
 
 /* hide from other browsers \*/ 
 * html .left {margin-right: -3px;} 
 * html .right {margin-left: 0;} 
 /* end hide */
 
 Which works in IE. 


 http://www.sigmaphinothing.org/template2.html has
 that section removed from its CSS and you can see a 3px gap between
 images. Look at this in almost any other browser and you do not see the
 right image at all.

Another difference between the two versions is the missing width:100% in 
#header in template2.

#header {
position: fixed;
height: auto;
}


#header div.left {
background-image: ...;
float: left;
width: 270px;
height: 165px;
}

#header div.right {
background-image: ...;
height: 165px;
margin-left 270px;
padding: 0;
}


div.left has a width, div.right has not.

It's correct to let .right collapse when #header itself has no width.


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Re: [css-d] Gmail's CSS for expanding subject lines

2006-03-03 Thread Carl Youngblood
Sorry for the delay on this.  Here is a URL you can look at:

http://grandmail.youngbloods.org/

It only looks right in Firefox.  This is for a class project that is run
inside of a client-side browser of our choosing, so we haven't bothered to
code for more than one browser.  You can see that on the read messages
screen the text on the left gets covered up if you shrink your browser
width.

On 2/24/06, Andrew Close [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2/23/06, Carl Youngblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Success!  I needed to use white-space: nowrap
 

 Carl, do you have an example that you could show us?
 thanks!
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[css-d] Problem with image float in Ff

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Frost
Hello Listers

I am having a small problem with this page.

http://www.frost-genealogy.co.uk/ftree/index.html

The photo is floated to the left, and the div in which it sits inside is 
set to 100% height, however when viewed in 800 * 600, the div does not 
expand when you scroll down.

Anybody got any ideas what could be causing this?  It works fine in IE.

Steve


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[css-d] (no subject)

2006-03-03 Thread Gillespie, Michael A
Got a question, hopefully someone can help.  I have an app using XHTML, CSS and 
tableless design.  The page I am having fits with (meaning it works
differently in IE/FF/NN/Moz) has 3 columns of data in it, and is broken into 
sections, and it looks like this (hope the wrap in email does not kill this!)
Each item in the column is in it's own div, with the width set to XX pixels and 
set to float:left.  Since only 3 columns will fit in the space, the 4th item
breaks to the next row ad infinitum...so when I am outputting the data I am 
just outputting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... and css handles the layout for me.

  SECTION 1
 COLUMN1   COLUMN2   COLUMN3
 ITEM 1ITEM 2ITEM 3
 ITEM 4ITEM 5ITEM 6
 ITEM 7ITEM 8ITEM 9
 ITEM 10  ITEM 11  ITEM 12

  SECTION 2
 ITEM 1ITEM 2ITEM 3
 ITEM 4ITEM 5ITEM 6
 ITEM 7ITEM 8ITEM 9
 ITEM 10   ITEM 11   ITEM 12

  SECTION 3
 ITEM 1ITEM 2ITEM 3
 ITEM 4ITEM 5ITEM 6
 ITEM 7ITEM 8ITEM 9
 ITEM 10   ITEM 11   ITEM 12

 Everything works just fine, except in IE6/Win...?The section headers do not 
display... BUT, if you scroll up/down, each header that disappears off screen
and then returns will display, or if you wipe your cursor on the screen, they 
display, and will kind of stay...but once you mouse over the nav menu (not in
the code) it disappears again...

 If anyone has any ideas, I am open to try them...Code is below so you to can 
experiment and experience the frustration...grin

 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
   http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
 html
 head
 meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-859-1
 titleUntitled Document/title
 style type=text/css
 body {background-color: white;margin: 1px 1px 1px 1px;}
 #main {font: .75em Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;width: 750px;}
 #content {background: #F6F6F6;margin-bottom: 
10px;margin-left:130px;margin-right: 3px;border: 1px solid 
#FFCF6F;padding:5px;font-size: 1em;overflow:
visible;}
 .outby3 {padding: 3px;float: left;width: 
190px;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style: solid;border-left-color: 
#00;display: inline;} #content
div.SecTitleHd,h1 {font-weight: bold;font-size:1.25em;color: 
#0033CC;text-align: center;border-bottom: medium solid #0033CC;padding-bottom:
4pt;margin-bottom: 8pt;padding-top:16pt;display: block;}
 /style
 /head

 body
 div id=main
   div id=content
 div class=SecTitleHda name=c4User group 1/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
1/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
2/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
3/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
4/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
5/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
6/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
7/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
8/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
9/a/div
 div class=SecTitleHd style=clear:left;a name=c4User 
group 2/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
1/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
2/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
3/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
4/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
5/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
6/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
7/a/div
 div class=SecTitleHd style=clear:left;a name=c4User 
group 3/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=3Subscriber 
1/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=4Subscriber 
2/a/div
 div class=outby3a href=xxx.cfm?id=5Subscriber 
3/a/div
 p style=clear:both;nbsp;/p
   /div
 /div
 /body
 /html


TIA

MikeG
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Re: [css-d] (no subject)

2006-03-03 Thread Prabhath Sirisena
Hi Mike,


  Everything works just fine, except in IE6/Win...?The section headers do not 
 display... BUT, if you scroll up/down, each header that disappears off screen
 and then returns will display, or if you wipe your cursor on the screen, they 
 display, and will kind of stay...but once you mouse over the nav menu (not in
 the code) it disappears again...

I believe this is the IE peekaboo bug:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html

HTH,
Prabhath
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Re: [css-d] Full height and fixed width col issue

2006-03-03 Thread Alec A. Lazarescu

I'm still having trouble with understanding full width/height layouts in
CSS.  Could someone have a look below at my sample and help me clear up
my understanding.

Thanks. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alec A.
Lazarescu
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:01 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Full height and fixed width col issue

 
Thanks for your help.  I wish I could tell you why there's 100% mania,
but I've long given up trying to get in the mind of the designers that
foist this on me. :)

The point about 100% equalling the viewport and staying the same whether
it fits or not made the result make sense.  Coming from a table world,
100% takes up the rest of available space there and not the viewport all
the time.

I've modified the code to move all the main ID code inline (the inline
floats left are just there as placeholders for internal content).  This
prevents oddities, but puts me back at square one when it comes to
getting 100% stretch working properly

I couldn't get min-height to do anything for me either in FireFox or in
IE with one of the hacks for it
(http://www.dustindiaz.com/min-height-fast-hack/).  The height of the
left ID didn't change at all.  I need the left area grey to the bottom
so I know it's taking up the full 100%.  I believe I need the blue and
green content and content footer stretched to max width (100%-165
somehow) and the content to be stretched to 100%-header height-footer
height.  Otherwise I won't have background setup properly and I also
won't be able to center items within the content area if they are taking
the minimum width and height possible.

Thanks for any light you can help shine on this.

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;  head titleUntitled
Page/title style type=text/css

html,body {
margin: 0px;
}

#header {background-color: red}

#left {background-color: gray; width: 165px; float: left; margin: 0px;
padding: 0px; }

#content {background-color: blue; float: left;}

#footer {background-color: green; clear: both}

#leftnavcontainer { float: left; }

DIV.clear
{
clear: both; 
float: none;
height: 0px; 
width: 0px; /* needed to prevent overflow expand on IFRAME shim hack
of RadMenu */
overflow: hidden;
}

/style
/head
body
div id=headerHeader/div
div id=left
div id=leftnavcontainer
div style=float: left;
   Some stuff in left
/div
div class=clear
/div
/div
div class=clear
/div
/div
div id=content
div style=float: left
Content/div
div id=footer
Content only footer/div
/div
div class=clear
/div

/body
/html

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoe M.
Gillenwater
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:02 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Full height and fixed width col issue

Hi Alec,

Alec A. Lazarescu wrote:

I'd like a header, a left bar with a fixed width of 165 and 100% 
height, a content area with width the remaining window width 100% and 
height 100% and a content footer (only on bottom of content, not the 
whole bottom with the left bar).
  


I have a question for everyone wanting to know about creating 100% high
pages: why?  Where has this fad come from?  I'm just curious about the
100% high rabidness lately. :-)

With height 100% I'm having a problem with a vertical scrollbar 
appearing for no reason


Oh, it's there for a reason. :-)  You just don't understand the reason
yet.

and with width 100% on the content, it's going to the next line instead

of using 100%-165 to take up the full remaining space.


You haven't told anything to be 100%-165px.

I've added notes about a few of lines of your CSS and HTML that you are
not fully understanding.  Hopefully this will get you on your way to a
100% high page.

html,body {
   padding: 0px;
   margin: 0px;
   width: 100%;
   height: 100%;
}
  


The height: 100% means make the html and body elements as high as the
viewport and never any higher/longer.  You probably want a minimum
height of 100% instead.

#left {background-color: gray; width: 165px;}
  


If you want #left to be on the same line as #content, you need to tell
it to.  Add float: left.

#content {background-color: blue; width: 100%}
  


You're telling #content to take up the whole viewport width and leave no
room for #left, so it has to sit on a line below #left, even once #left
is floated.  Get rid of the width and add margin-left: 165px.

div id=left style=float: left; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
height: 100%
  


Oh wait, you are floating #left. Why are you using inline styles, and
even worse, splitting styles between inline and embedded?  Keep them all
embedded while 

Re: [css-d] Problem with image float in Ff

2006-03-03 Thread Olly Hodgson
On 03/03/06, Steve Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The photo is floated to the left, and the div in which it sits inside is
 set to 100% height, however when viewed in 800 * 600, the div does not
 expand when you scroll down.

 Anybody got any ideas what could be causing this?  It works fine in IE.

That's probably because IE is getting it wrong :) You need to tell
standards compliant browsers that the need to enclose any floated
content. The easiest method I have found is to give the div a defined
width, and set overflow to hidden, eg:

div {
width: 100%;
overflow: hidden;
}

More on the subject at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html

Cheers,


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http://thinkdrastic.net/
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Re: [css-d] Disappearing headers when building columns with float

2006-03-03 Thread Gillespie, Michael A
Thanks to Olly's timely response to another similar post [Problem with image 
float in Ff] as well as Prabhath pointing me to the Peekaboo bug, the solution
was pretty simple and is detailed below.

Added the following in the css file right after declaring #content

#content div {
width: 580px;
}
Then changed .outby3 to #content div.outby3

And finally changed div.SecTitleHd,h1  to #content div.SecTitleHd,h1

No more disappearing text.
Thanks to all for their help!

MikeG
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[css-d] Help with Nav LIs that work in IE6, not in FF

2006-03-03 Thread Chris Williams
I'm new to the CSS game, fresh from a table lifetime.  I hate tables, am in 
love with CSS... but (you knew there was a but)...

I have a new site design I'm working on at http://clwill.com/new/   The page is 
index.html, the CSS is in clwill.css.  Obviously this is just an instance of my 
template page that I'm working on, I'll be all over the actual pages once I get 
this one nailed.  (And yes, clearly some more work is to be done on centering, 
hovers, etc.)

The problem is with the nav items that are supposed to show up in the dark 
banner above the gold bar.  And just for a change of life, and to prove that 
weird things still happen in this world: It works on IE6, but NOT on FF.

I know this is something silly and I'm just naïve.  Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks,
Chris
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[css-d] More issues...

2006-03-03 Thread Theresa Mesa
http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
http://mdh-test.com/egs.css


IE6 looks fabulous.

FF on PC and Mac, Opera, Safari: There's a space between the topgraphic and
the content div. If I change the top margin to close it up, I'm afraid the
background is going to go up under or over the topgraphic.

Opera: The links are not changing color. The last link in the nav is
supposed to be a special color. Nada. Works in the other browsers.

IE5.2.3/Mac - there's no background at all. Yes, I know we're not supposed
to use IE Mac anymore, but hey, there are still people using OS 9.x!

Thank you in advance for your advice. I will be continuing to work it out on
my own, too.

Why can't all the browsers just do things the same so I don't have to spend
an hour or so figuring this out??? Rhetorical question

Theresa



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Re: [css-d] Problem with image float in Ff

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Frost
If I add overflow: hidden to the containing div it does resolve the 
issue, however, it replaces it with another problem, now it does not  
take the image in to account when applying vertical scrollbars.
I have uploaded the modified css so you can see the error.

Steve

Olly Hodgson wrote:

That's probably because IE is getting it wrong :) You need to tell
standards compliant browsers that the need to enclose any floated
content. The easiest method I have found is to give the div a defined
width, and set overflow to hidden, eg:

div {
width: 100%;
overflow: hidden;
}

More on the subject at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html


Steve Frost  wrote:

The photo is floated to the left, and the div in which it sits inside is
set to 100% height, however when viewed in 800 * 600, the div does not
expand when you scroll down.

Anybody got any ideas what could be causing this?  It works fine in IE.


That's probably because IE is getting it wrong :) You need to tell
standards compliant browsers that the need to enclose any floated
content. The easiest method I have found is to give the div a defined
width, and set overflow to hidden, eg:

div {
width: 100%;
overflow: hidden;
}

More on the subject at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html
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Re: [css-d] Gmail's CSS for expanding subject lines

2006-03-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 3/3/06, Carl Youngblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry for the delay on this.  Here is a URL you can look at:

 http://grandmail.youngbloods.org/

 It only looks right in Firefox.  This is for a class project that is run
 inside of a client-side browser of our choosing, so we haven't bothered to
 code for more than one browser.  You can see that on the read messages
 screen the text on the left gets covered up if you shrink your browser
 width.

This is great but I don't see how it is similar to Gmail? It's similar
to techniques I've seen elsewhere but not on Gmail, or is there
something in Gmail I haven't seen?

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Re: [css-d] Why the gap?

2006-03-03 Thread francky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The only tricky little thing is that the footer is below the scrollbar
on FF when the browser is not maxed. It is OK in Opera and IE.

Hi,
Another strange thing: at my Win98SE every window size of FF1.07 does 
display the footer o.k., just above the bottom scrollbar (in all 3 
versions).
Besides, I found:
(a) in FF1.07 there *is* a horizontal scrollbar, which should not be 
there (can move about 2-5px left-right, when the window is more then 
ca.10px smaller then the available screenwidth).
(b) IE6 doesn't have the scrollbar, but has a white gap of 3px between 
the right side of the header-img and the right border of the screen.
(c) Opera8.01 doesn't have the scrollbar, nor the white gap top right at 
1024x768 resolution. At window-resizing or 800x600: a scrollbar, and at 
first appearance the footer is halfway under the scrollbar; refresh is 
giving the right position(!).

I think the scrollbar is due to the footer properties: 99% width + 10px 
padding right. Full size window: this combination of relative and 
absolute width is o.k. (at 1024x768 resolution!). Smaller window, or 
lower resolution: the 10px padding is more than 1%, and scrollbar added.
Easy solved:
#footer { padding: 2px 1% 10px 0; }

For IE we have to compensate the shifting left: -3px with the same 3px 
extra on the right side:
/* \*/
* html #header div.right{
position:relative;
left:-3px;
margin-right: -3px;
}
/* */

Together it's giving this testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-pocket.htm.

Greetings,
francky

ps:
Q: why does the fullsize header img (1280x1024) give such a strange 
association to me? ;-)
A:  The ugliest part of your body / It's not ... your nose / It's 
not ... your toes / It's ... your mind (Frank Zappa)



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Re: [css-d] More issues...

2006-03-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
Theresa Mesa wrote:

http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
http://mdh-test.com/egs.css


IE6 looks fabulous.

[...]
Opera: The links are not changing color. The last link in the nav is
supposed to be a special color. Nada. Works in the other browsers.
  

In Linux your links are exactly the same in Konqueror, FF, Moz, 
Seamonkey, and Opera/8.51-- all yellow except for the last one which is 
orange.

[...]

Theresa




  

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[css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Andrew Glover
Hi,

Im hoping someone or some people can help me on my first try of a CSS
Layout.

What I am trying to re-create in CSS Layouts is an Image I originally drew
here:

http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Image.jpg

So far what I have come up with is this:

http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Temp.html

There is three problems here...

1) The image backgrounds of #MiddleLeft or #MiddleRight do not repeat, or
even show up  (they should repeat for the height of of #RowMiddle - which
should be resized by setting the height of #StickyNote).

2) How do I set the gradient as a background and scale it, while still
having text on top (that can be editable)?

3) The display is *completely* broken in IE.

Thanks!

Andrew.

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Re: [css-d] More issues...

2006-03-03 Thread Theresa Mesa
Yeah, I changed that to white. The links are supposed to be yellow only if
they've been visited. That's acting funky, so I changed the colors.

Any thoughts on the space between the top graphic and the content?

On 3/3/06 2:59 PM, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In Linux your links are exactly the same in Konqueror, FF, Moz,
 Seamonkey, and Opera/8.51-- all yellow except for the last one which is
 orange.
 
 [...]
 
 Theresa
 
 
 
 
  
 
 ~davidLaakso
 
 


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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Frost
I can't help but think that you are making this overly complicated.

Wouldn't this be simpler?

div id=box
  div id=top/div
 div id=content
 ptext text text/p
 /div
  div id=bottom/div
/div

then style it so that
#top has the top of the box image set as background
#content has the gradient as a vertical background image, repeat-x, and 
then the yellow as a background colour.
#bottom has the bottom of the box image set as background.

Steve


Andrew Glover wrote:
 Hi,

 Im hoping someone or some people can help me on my first try of a CSS
 Layout.

 What I am trying to re-create in CSS Layouts is an Image I originally drew
 here:

 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Image.jpg

 So far what I have come up with is this:

 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Temp.html

 There is three problems here...

 1) The image backgrounds of #MiddleLeft or #MiddleRight do not repeat, or
 even show up  (they should repeat for the height of of #RowMiddle - which
 should be resized by setting the height of #StickyNote).

 2) How do I set the gradient as a background and scale it, while still
 having text on top (that can be editable)?

 3) The display is *completely* broken in IE.

 Thanks!

 Andrew.

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Re: [css-d] page check :: ~dL

2006-03-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
~davidLaakso wrote:

Rigorous cross-browser, screen resolution, testing appreciated.
Styles for this test page are hidden from Mac/IE5.2
CSS embedded.
Famous last words: it looks ok on my end, sort of...
http://www.dlaakso.com/chelsea.html
Thanks,
~davidLaakso

  

Many thanks to Els, Rahul Gonsalves, and Tedd Sperling(off-list) for the 
helful comments and suggestions.
Appreciated!
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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Andrew Glover
Hi Steve,

If done like that though, wont the 4 corners also scale as the size is
increased?  I want the 4 corners to be the same size where the whole thing
is 100 x 100, or 500 x 500.

Andrew. 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Frost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:11 PM
To: Andrew Glover; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

I can't help but think that you are making this overly complicated.

Wouldn't this be simpler?

div id=box
  div id=top/div
 div id=content
 ptext text text/p
 /div
  div id=bottom/div
/div

then style it so that
#top has the top of the box image set as background #content has the
gradient as a vertical background image, repeat-x, and then the yellow as a
background colour.
#bottom has the bottom of the box image set as background.

Steve


Andrew Glover wrote:
 Hi,

 Im hoping someone or some people can help me on my first try of a CSS 
 Layout.

 What I am trying to re-create in CSS Layouts is an Image I originally 
 drew
 here:

 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Image.jpg

 So far what I have come up with is this:

 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Temp.html

 There is three problems here...

 1) The image backgrounds of #MiddleLeft or #MiddleRight do not repeat, 
 or even show up  (they should repeat for the height of of #RowMiddle - 
 which should be resized by setting the height of #StickyNote).

 2) How do I set the gradient as a background and scale it, while still 
 having text on top (that can be editable)?

 3) The display is *completely* broken in IE.

 Thanks!

 Andrew.

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Re: [css-d] More issues...

2006-03-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
Theresa Mesa wrote:

Yeah, I changed that to white. The links are supposed to be yellow only if
they've been visited. That's acting funky, so I changed the colors.

Any thoughts on the space between the top graphic and the content?
  

The space looks the same to me in Linux Opera/8.51 as it does in the 
Gecko's listed below. Opera/8.52 is the latest stable version, I 
believe. What version are you using? Opera users tend to be fanatics 
about running the latest versions...

On 3/3/06 2:59 PM, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

In Linux your links are exactly the same in Konqueror, FF, Moz,
Seamonkey, and Opera/8.51-- all yellow except for the last one which is
orange.



[...]

Theresa
  

~davidLaakso






  

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] More issues...

2006-03-03 Thread Theresa Mesa
Well, I pulled the topgraphic and the bottom part together in the same
image. That's the background of the wrapper.

Now I can just concentrate on futzing with the container so the the whole
background image shows at any given time.



On 3/3/06 3:21 PM, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Theresa Mesa wrote:
 
 Yeah, I changed that to white. The links are supposed to be yellow only if
 they've been visited. That's acting funky, so I changed the colors.
 
 Any thoughts on the space between the top graphic and the content?
  


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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Frost
You would be able to scale vertically but not horizontally.

Steve

Andrew Glover wrote:
 Hi Steve,

 If done like that though, wont the 4 corners also scale as the size is
 increased?  I want the 4 corners to be the same size where the whole thing
 is 100 x 100, or 500 x 500.

 Andrew. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Frost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:11 PM
 To: Andrew Glover; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

 I can't help but think that you are making this overly complicated.

 Wouldn't this be simpler?

 div id=box
   div id=top/div
  div id=content
  ptext text text/p
  /div
   div id=bottom/div
 /div

 then style it so that
 #top has the top of the box image set as background #content has the
 gradient as a vertical background image, repeat-x, and then the yellow as a
 background colour.
 #bottom has the bottom of the box image set as background.

 Steve
   
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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Andrew Glover
Which wouldn't solve my problems :) 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Frost
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:53 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

You would be able to scale vertically but not horizontally.

Steve

Andrew Glover wrote:
 Hi Steve,

 If done like that though, wont the 4 corners also scale as the size is 
 increased?  I want the 4 corners to be the same size where the whole 
 thing is 100 x 100, or 500 x 500.

 Andrew. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Frost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:11 PM
 To: Andrew Glover; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

 I can't help but think that you are making this overly complicated.

 Wouldn't this be simpler?

 div id=box
   div id=top/div
  div id=content
  ptext text text/p
  /div
   div id=bottom/div
 /div

 then style it so that
 #top has the top of the box image set as background #content has the 
 gradient as a vertical background image, repeat-x, and then the yellow 
 as a background colour.
 #bottom has the bottom of the box image set as background.

 Steve
   
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Re: [css-d] Problem with image float in Ff

2006-03-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Steve Frost wrote:
 http://www.frost-genealogy.co.uk/ftree/index.html
 
 The photo is floated to the left, and the div in which it sits inside
  is set to 100% height, however when viewed in 800 * 600, the div 
 does not expand when you scroll down.
 
 Anybody got any ideas what could be causing this?  It works fine in 
 IE.

When you define height to be 100% (of window), than that's what any
reasonably good browser will give you. If window is too small - well -
you've asked for it :-)
IE isn't reasonably good, so it will ignore such height-restrictions.

1: get rid of...
#maincol {height: 95%; overflow: hidden;}
It does what it says - hides the overflow on set 'height: 95%', and that
is not what you want.

2: add...
#container, #container2 {display: table;}
...that'll make those containers expand beyond 'height: 100%;' when
window is too small (or content is too large) and contain the float.
CSS tables acts visually like HTML tables, so they expand by default.

3: delete 'padding' on #container2, and set a suitable padding/margin on
#maincol. Otherwise CSS2.1 compliant browsers may not render as you want.

#maincol {padding: 10px 25px 10px 10px;}
...seems to work fine.

No problems in Opera and Firefox at my end, and IE6 is playing along
just fine too.

regards
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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread Cem Meric

 Im hoping someone or some people can help me on my first try of a CSS
 Layout.
 
 What I am trying to re-create in CSS Layouts is an Image I originally drew
 here:
 
 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Image.jpg
 
 So far what I have come up with is this:
 
 http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Temp.html
 
 There is three problems here...
 
 1) The image backgrounds of #MiddleLeft or #MiddleRight do not repeat, or
 even show up  (they should repeat for the height of of #RowMiddle - which
 should be resized by setting the height of #StickyNote).
 
 2) How do I set the gradient as a background and scale it, while still
 having text on top (that can be editable)?
 
 3) The display is *completely* broken in IE.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Andrew.


It's very simple, 

search in=Googlecss rounded corners/search

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Re: [css-d] Gmail's CSS for expanding subject lines

2006-03-03 Thread Carl Youngblood
Well, Gmail has a feature where the subject lines in the email list don't
wrap but just flow underneath the other columns in the list if they are too
long.  It's not exactly the same but similar.  I wish I knew exactly how
they were doing it, because I think it's different from what I did.

On 3/3/06, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is great but I don't see how it is similar to Gmail? It's similar
 to techniques I've seen elsewhere but not on Gmail, or is there
 something in Gmail I haven't seen?

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Re: [css-d] page check :: ~dL

2006-03-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
Don - HtmlFixIt.com wrote:

 ~davidLaakso wrote:

 ~davidLaakso wrote:

 Famous last words: it looks ok on my end, sort of...
 http://www.dlaakso.com/chelsea.html
 Thanks,
 ~davidLaakso

 My take:
 Too much vertical scrolling required ... hard to therefore get the 
 proper experience.
 [...]
 In my page view the i next to the l in oils looks bad.  The i 
 tips right and the l tips left and they nearly run into each other.  
 That may be particular to my machine at the font/font size or 
 something, but they don't play nice together.
 Don

Thank you for your reply. I will consider your comments.
Regards,
~davidLaakso
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Re: [css-d] Trouble implementing CSS Layout design

2006-03-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
Andrew Glover wrote:

What I am trying to re-create in CSS Layouts is an Image I originally drew
here:
http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Image.jpg
So far what I have come up with is this:
http://www.ajglover.net/CSS/Temp.html
Andrew.

  

Some nice stuff from a frequent contributer to css-d that may give you 
some ideas:
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm
Regards,
~davidLaakso

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Re: [css-d] Problem with right column overlap when main contains uncompressible table

2006-03-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Carl Youngblood wrote:
 http://constructioncapitalsource.com/example.html

 The main column contains a table that is so wide that it can't be 
 compressed further.  What I want the right column to do in this case 
 is hug the right-hand side of the main column but not overlap it, 
 causing the browser to have horizontal scrollbars in order to see the
  full horizontal extent of the page, but instead, the right column is
  getting superimposed on top of the main column.  Does anyone have 
 any suggestions on how I can fix this?

Start out a little simpler. You have styled a lot of contradictions in
there, so although it may work behind the scene in some browsers, the
visual effects will be a mess.

1: don't use 'overflow: hidden;' when you want something to show up.
2: don't set 'height: 100%' on elements that have nothing to calculate
that height against.


This will work by adding a scroll to 'maincol'...

#container{border-left:1px solid #aaa;border-right:1px solid #aaa;
background:#FFFCF7 url('paper.png') repeat-y top left;}
#container .column {}
#maincol{float:left;width:70%; overflow: auto; overflow-y: visible;}
#maincol div{float:left; padding:0 1em 0 1em}
#rightcol{float:right;width:29.5%; border-left:1px dashed #ddd}
#rightcol div{padding:0 1em 0 1em}

...and is tested in Firefox 1.5.0.1, Opera 9tp2 and IE6.

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Re: [css-d] Help with Nav LIs that work in IE6, not in FF

2006-03-03 Thread David Sharp


Chris Williams wrote:
 I have a new site design I'm working on at http://clwill.com/new/   The page 
 is index.html, the CSS is in clwill.css.  Obviously this is just an instance 
 of my template page that I'm working on, I'll be all over the actual pages 
 once I get this one nailed.  (And yes, clearly some more work is to be done 
 on centering, hovers, etc.)

 The problem is with the nav items that are supposed to show up in the dark 
 banner above the gold bar.  And just for a change of life, and to prove that 
 weird things still happen in this world: It works on IE6, but NOT on FF.
   
I could think of a few ways of better doing what Chris wanted (such as 
position:relative or position:absolute) and have emailed off-list, but 
wasn't quite sure why (despite some syntax anomalies) the negative top 
margin on the #nav-div wasn't working. After some experimentation, and 
the odd test page I discovered that in FF, floated elements within a div 
that has a negative top margin seem to always be put behind an image in 
the overlapping div. Adding z-index doesn't seem to fix the problem.

In this case, making the banner image unavailable (but adding an 
explicit height via CSS) proves that the menu is being positioned 
correctly, but is not visible with the image in place.
Adding class=nofloat to the final LI and putting ul#nav li.nofloat 
{float:none} again proves that the menu is positioned correctly - here 
the final LI shows on top of the image, but the floated ones are still 
not visible. Again, I couldn't get z-index to make any difference. This 
shows that it is not the div with the negative margin that is being 
moved behind the image but merely the floated elements within the div.

IE doesn't exhibit this behaviour, but IE is not often correct.

Is this correct browser behaviour? Is it a bug? Am I completely 
misreading the situation?

Just curiosity at this stage...

Regards,
D#

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Re: [css-d] Problem with right column overlap when main contains uncompressible table

2006-03-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
 http://constructioncapitalsource.com/example.html

Forgot (it's really late at my end) :-)

You should also add...

#container{display: table; height: 100%;}

...to keep expansion working on that element. The good browsers use
'display: table' which means 'expand with content' in this context.
IE6 doesn't understand that, but will misinterpret and use 'height:
100%' - which in this case doesn't matter to the good browsers since
'height: 100%' means 'height: auto', and 'display: table' will in any
case cause 'height' to be redefined to mean 'min-height'.
All in all a nice little standard-solution... ;-)

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[css-d] building page with 100% divs

2006-03-03 Thread Don - HtmlFixIt.com
I am trying to build a page ... with little current success.   Every 
time I think I have it, it doesn't work.

I want this:
1. a background image for the whole page
html{
background-image: url(bgtile.gif);
background-repeat: repeat;
}

2. a body ...
body {
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
border: none;
padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
height: 100%;
}

Will that confine my body to 100% of the view port?  It seems to scroll 
even though I have it specified that way.

3. an outside wrapper that has a second background image in it ...
#outside_wrapper{
background-image: url(wrapperbg.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
background-position: right top;
height: 100%;
width: 800px;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}

Problem, I cannot get this wrapperbg.jpg to go to the bottom of the 
page.  I have some left floated columns (after a header) and it doesn't 
seem to repeat.  I have tried adding a second wrapper outside of that 
one superwrapper and then tried floating the outside wrapper inside of 
that for example ... doesn't work.  I have tired putting
div class=clear: both/div!-- clearboth --
just before the end of each div.

Where are the good resources for getting a grip on such issues?

I don't really have a clean site to refer to at this time as this is a 
project for someone else and I have their images on that site and cannot 
share them.

Thank you in advance.

Don
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[css-d] Need help with a few bugs

2006-03-03 Thread Jonathan Arthur
Hopefully this all works out, it is my first time here.

http://www.bloggsworld.com/OWD/LimeLite/index.html
http://www.bloggsworld.com/OWD/LimeLite/lime-light.css

In IE if you make the text size smaller, the content disappears!

In FF, if you resize the text, the Lime-Lite header (h1) doesn't
vertically center like it does in IE.

Is my code generally ok? I know I have had to put div style=clear:
both/div which I don't consider very good, because it doesn't have
anything in. I had to use that to fix a problem in FF when you have
smaller text though.

Also, can anyone explain a wee bit about the css warnings I am getting?

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] building page with 100% divs

2006-03-03 Thread Don - HtmlFixIt.com
Don - HtmlFixIt.com wrote:
 I am trying to build a page ... with little current success.   Every 
 time I think I have it, it doesn't work.
 

I decided that was a bit obtuse ... so let me see if I can build my page 
one step at a time and get feedback.

Step one is here: http://bestfoot.com/dummy/test001.html
Question: why does my blue gradient not extend from top to bottom of 
page?  There is a margin both top and bottom.  Where is that coming from?

As near as I can figure it is the width of the scroll arrow at the top 
and bottom.

If I add overflow:hidden it runs top to bottom in ff, but not in ie7 
(I'll worry about ie6 later), it works in ff (the overflow isn't hidden 
... there is a scroll bar) but in ie7, it chops off the extra content.

Last if you go to: http://bestfoot.com/dummy/test002.html
you will find that it doesn't stretch at all if there is insufficient 
content.

Tomorrow I may try to put a couple of div's inside of that.

I want the blue gradient to go top to bottom in all cases, period.  I 
cannot put it on the body div btw because I want it to be the right edge 
of an 800 px wide content column.

Thanks in advance.

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[css-d] Pure CSS implementation of Gmail layout?

2006-03-03 Thread Brent Hargrave
I'm trying to create a gmail-like layout that works for IE5+ without using
javascript (primarily because the new IE looks like it's going to throw up
warnings when I embed javascript in the css, but also for the sake of
nailing this down with just css):

Here's the html and css of my best attempt so far, but I can't seem to get
rid of the horizontal scroll bar:
http://ujive.com/test.html
http://ujive.com/layout.css

Desired features:
- Header that spans the entire page
- Fixed-width navigation div on the left
- Liquid-width content div on the right
- Footer, which doesn't need to span entire document (can float below
content div)
...and the kicker
- A fixed element (like Gmail's chat boxes) anywhere on the page

Has anyone managed to create this gmail-like layout?  If so, your guidance
would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Brent
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Re: [css-d] List problems IE bad / FF nice

2006-03-03 Thread Rizky
On 3/3/06, Augusto Murri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 i've been testing this page for a week but there are some little problems
 in IE.

 The page in question is http://194.242.241.199/html/2/scheda_museo.php

 As u can see the list UL in the div#menu_categorie display bad in IE, i
 can't see the arrows on the left...



sorry mate, no IE for now. i'm on ubuntu. but maybe u might try adding the
list-style-image to the li's instead of the ul's. hope that do the trick...

and btw, next time, try to arrange your code to be easier to read before u
send it to the list.


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[css-d] Font Difficulties and Nav Positioning

2006-03-03 Thread Richard Brown
Hi

Could you have a look at this design for me please?

http://www.cregy.co.uk/
http://www.cregy.co.uk/wp-content/themes/static/style.css

The font size for the nav list has gone mad! I am declaring a font-size 
of 50% and it is still huge! It also won't sit in the header div 
properly. Could anyone tell me why please?

Many thanks.
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