Re: [css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Grady Kelly wrote:
> I am amazed that something so seemingly simple would be so hard to 
> do!?  Am I missing something?

:-)

Maybe the fact that everything is easy once you know how it works -- and
how it doesn't. The standards we are basing our work on also seem to
miss some vital parts, but there isn't much we can do about that but
wait and hope that someone "finds them" -- one day.

Add in some about 'the absurdity of software-bugs'...

...and most should be covered.

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Re: [css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Grady Kelly]

Thanks again!

I am amazed that something so seemingly simple would be so hard to do!?  Am
I missing something?

Grady

On 8/24/06, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Grady Kelly wrote:
> > The wrapper did move down below the nav, but in FF, it appears that
> > the content areas are below the wrapper, where in IE they appear
> > inside. doh!
>
> >>> http://new.birthyear.net/
>
> Same thing, really :-)
> IE/win _is_ buggy.
>
> Read up on 'Block formatting contexts'...
> 
>
> ...and the 'hasLayout' bug...
> 
>
> The problems/solutions are linked in under 'containing floats' on this
> page...
> 
> ...with examples and links to other resources.
>
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Re: [css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Grady Kelly wrote:
> The wrapper did move down below the nav, but in FF, it appears that 
> the content areas are below the wrapper, where in IE they appear 
> inside. doh!

>>> http://new.birthyear.net/

Same thing, really :-)
IE/win _is_ buggy.

Read up on 'Block formatting contexts'...


...and the 'hasLayout' bug...


The problems/solutions are linked in under 'containing floats' on this
page...

...with examples and links to other resources.

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Re: [css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Grady Kelly]

Thanks Georg,

   The wrapper did move down below the nav, but in FF, it appears that the
content areas are below the wrapper, where in IE they appear inside. doh!

Grady

On 8/24/06, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Grady Kelly wrote:
> > http://new.birthyear.net/
>
> > In IE, it appears that the wrapper that I have the colored areas in
> > begins below the nav, right where I would of thought it would.  In
> > Firefox, it appears above the nav, as you will see the black area.
>
> > Could someone please point me in the right direction?
>
> Just tell Firefox (and all other non-IE browsers) to expand past the nav
> and isolate those margins.
>
> Adding...
>
> #nav {display: table;}
>
> ...will be well understood.
>
> IE doesn't understand any of this, but is saved by its own 'hasLayout'
> bug.
>
> ---
>
> You should also give that page a few steps of font resizing. That's
> 'ignore font size' in IE/win, and ordinary font resizing in all other
> browsers.
> It won't line up all that well in any browser, so it could do wit a bit
> more flexibility so elements can self-adjust visually.
>
> regards
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Re: [css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Grady Kelly wrote:
> http://new.birthyear.net/

> In IE, it appears that the wrapper that I have the colored areas in 
> begins below the nav, right where I would of thought it would.  In 
> Firefox, it appears above the nav, as you will see the black area.

> Could someone please point me in the right direction?

Just tell Firefox (and all other non-IE browsers) to expand past the nav
and isolate those margins.

Adding...

#nav {display: table;}

...will be well understood.

IE doesn't understand any of this, but is saved by its own 'hasLayout' bug.

---

You should also give that page a few steps of font resizing. That's
'ignore font size' in IE/win, and ordinary font resizing in all other
browsers.
It won't line up all that well in any browser, so it could do wit a bit
more flexibility so elements can self-adjust visually.

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Re: [css-d] Image on hover breaks in higher text size

[Portman]

Thank you for the reply and the advice.  :-)

Riva

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> regards
>   Georg
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Re: [css-d] IE6 Whitespace Problem with border & div...

[ibn Ezra]

Hmm,
Well it's nice to know that I found my own answer to the problem! I  
had a single space between the opening and closing brackets of the  
div and the img link. Fixed!

This:


Instead of this:
  

I thought that whitespace in the xhtml had no semantic meaning unless  
it was either within a tag or inside quotes. What gives with IE 6?

Thanks!
-james


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On Aug 24, 2006, at 23:10 PM, ibn Ezra wrote:

> Hi,
> I have two images stuffed inside a div that has a 4px border applied
> top and bottom:
>
> Page Example:
> http://covenantwoods.com/beta/index.php
>
> CSS:
> http://covenantwoods.com/beta/_stylesheets/base.css
>
> Looks as expected in Firefox 1.5 (Mac/Win), Opera 9 (Win), Safari 2
> (Mac) and validates at W3C... but IE 6 is adding an extra 4px of
> whitespace between the bottom border and the images inside the div.
> I've been so busy learning the CSS standards that I haven't gotten my
> head around IE's particular way of looking at the CSS universe and
> I'm not sure where to begin looking.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> -iE
>
>
> .
>
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[css-d] Divs doing weird things ...

[Grady Kelly]

I have been trying to go from hybrid table/css layouts to pure css layouts,
and have come across a problem that I cannot figure out.

I have been working on the following: http://new.birthyear.net/
(The css is located in http://new.birthyear.net/css/main.css)

it is a website for Midwives and Doulas in the Las Vegas area, you will get
the idea when you see the images in the header ...

Now, the header is fine, so is the nav, the thing that is getting me is the
area below the nav.  I have color coded the areas to make them easier to
see.

In IE, it appears that the wrapper that I have the colored areas in begins
below the nav, right where I would of thought it would.  In Firefox, it
appears above the nav, as you will see the black area.

I have played around with the CSS and have not been able to get it to work
right.

Could someone please point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

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[css-d] IE6 Whitespace Problem with border & div...

[ibn Ezra]

Hi,
I have two images stuffed inside a div that has a 4px border applied  
top and bottom:

Page Example:
http://covenantwoods.com/beta/index.php

CSS:
http://covenantwoods.com/beta/_stylesheets/base.css

Looks as expected in Firefox 1.5 (Mac/Win), Opera 9 (Win), Safari 2  
(Mac) and validates at W3C... but IE 6 is adding an extra 4px of  
whitespace between the bottom border and the images inside the div.  
I've been so busy learning the CSS standards that I haven't gotten my  
head around IE's particular way of looking at the CSS universe and  
I'm not sure where to begin looking.

Any ideas?


Many thanks in advance!
-iE


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Re: [css-d] Nav borders

[~davidLaakso]

Daniel Hammond wrote:
>> Daniel Hammond wrote:
>> 
>>> On www.southpawbrothers.com, the top borders of the 
>>>   
>> navigation links 
>> 
>>> show up in Firefox (as they should), but they don't show up 
>>>   
>> in IE. Why?
>> 
>>> Daniel Hammond
>>>   
>
>   
>> Probably a combination of things  is causing that specific 
>> problem, but there are other issues too:
>> Although your css is valid, the markup is not (always a good 
>> idea to validate before posting).
>> - id's are unique, they can only be used once on a page (you 
>> have used #nav several times)
>> - you have no doctype, consequently ie is in quirksmode, and 
>> rendering even among the compliant browsers may be different
>> - you are using proprietary html in the table
>> - and you are using i-frames (which complicates things a 
>> little)
>> 
>
>
> I'm checking the validation of my markup, and it's telling me that there is
> no attribute "height". As you can see on
> www.southpawbrothers.com/index2.htm, if I remove the "height" tag from the
> invisible table that encompasses all of the site's content, it obviously
> moves everything to the top of the browser window. Is there a way, without
> using "height", to keep the look (www.southpawbrothers.com/index.htm) that I
> want, with the content centered vertically as well as horizontally in the
> browser?
>   
Yes. And you can use css to do it.You do not need a table as you have no 
tabular data. However, and this is important, I would /not/ recommend 
centering it vertically and horizontally, as that causes usability and 
accessibility problems.

A better option is to do a simple one or two column tableless layout and 
let the content determine its own height without restriction.
> Also, how would I keep the "hover" action on the nav links as they are in
> the ...index.htm file without using the div tags the way that I did?
>   
By using the correct doctype (you'll have to stay with transitional if 
you continue with the i-frames, although you might consider eliminating 
them and using a different approach) with a tableless layout that has 
valid css and markup.
> Another thing: what do you mean by proprietary html?
>   
Run your file through Tidy Online (uncheck the output xhtml box before 
you do so)  . Tidy will point out why the 
file is html proprietary.
> Daniel Hammond
> www.objectivedesigns.com
>   
If you plan to continue to use a table, someone else will need to help 
you. I have never made a table.
If you plan to continue to use i-frames, someone else will need to help you.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Image on hover breaks in higher text size

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Portman wrote:
> ...when I make the font size bigger in IE, the images kinda cascade 
> down (instead of cleanly covering the base image.)

The same happens in all browsers.

> http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/BestHealth. Can anyone tell me why
>  this is happening...

You are _absolute-positioning_ the overlay-images _relative to_ each li,
and the height of those li will of course vary with
font-size/line-height. Thus, image line-up depends on font-size.

> ...and/or how to fix it?

Change the positioning-scheme so the overlay-images are positioned
relative to ul#primary-nav. That gives them the same, stable, point of
reference for positioning, and even IE is stable - although that ul is
styled a bit off.

Then restyle the ul#primary-nav ul to become a non-positioned float with
pulled-in back side margins. That will make those sub-menus continue
to line up with each ul#primary-nav li like before, and act like
absolute positioned elements (take up no space) without being a:p.

---

I have tested such a _font-size independent_ line-up on a copy of your
page, and it is perfectly stable no matter how much I alter the
font-size in any of the browsers I have at my disposal at the moment.
(internal ref: test_6200)

However, cleaning up your stylesheet and prepare a "ready to paste"
solution with complete descriptions, is something I don't have time for
right now, so I think you should have a go at it first.
No need to touch the source-code, as all can be done in your stylesheet.

Nice little feature, btw :-)

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[css-d] Image on hover breaks in higher text size

[Portman]

I put something on a website that replaces an image of the body with 
other images so it looks like certain parts are highlighted depending on 
where the mouse is, but I find that when I make the font size bigger in 
IE, the images kinda cascade down (instead of cleanly covering the base 
image.) Page can be viewed here: 
http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/BestHealth. Can anyone tell me why 
this is happening and/or how to fix it?

TIA,
Riva
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Re: [css-d] Nav borders

[Daniel Hammond]

> Daniel Hammond wrote:
> > On www.southpawbrothers.com, the top borders of the 
> navigation links 
> > show up in Firefox (as they should), but they don't show up 
> in IE. Why?
> > Daniel Hammond

> Probably a combination of things  is causing that specific 
> problem, but there are other issues too:
> Although your css is valid, the markup is not (always a good 
> idea to validate before posting).
> - id's are unique, they can only be used once on a page (you 
> have used #nav several times)
> - you have no doctype, consequently ie is in quirksmode, and 
> rendering even among the compliant browsers may be different
> - you are using proprietary html in the table
> - and you are using i-frames (which complicates things a 
> little)


I'm checking the validation of my markup, and it's telling me that there is
no attribute "height". As you can see on
www.southpawbrothers.com/index2.htm, if I remove the "height" tag from the
invisible table that encompasses all of the site's content, it obviously
moves everything to the top of the browser window. Is there a way, without
using "height", to keep the look (www.southpawbrothers.com/index.htm) that I
want, with the content centered vertically as well as horizontally in the
browser?

Also, how would I keep the "hover" action on the nav links as they are in
the ...index.htm file without using the div tags the way that I did?

Another thing: what do you mean by proprietary html?

Daniel Hammond
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[css-d] Need help with styles for javascript menu

[John Goodwyn]

In the site http://ver5.elliswyatt.com/campfire you'll see that if you
rollover programs/camping and outdoor education, something is causing an
extra space beneath the main menu item.  It does this anywhere there is a
sub to a sub.  Can anyone see anything in the styles that is causing this?

 

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Ellis Wyatt Interactive

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Re: [css-d] IE6 odd behavior - how surprising

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Tom Lancaster wrote:
>>> http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/2

>> Add...
>> 
>> #outerColumnContainer {padding: 1px;}
>> 
>> ...and see if that helps without any negative effects on the live 
>> pages.

> Seems to work a dream. What made you think of that solution?

Just a hunch, really. What it does (among other things) is to widen the
#outerColumnContainer by 2px. So there's probably again a problem with
IE's auto-expanding bug and something that doesn't quite fit in there.

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Re: [css-d] IE6 odd behavior - how surprising

[Tom Lancaster]

Thanks Gunlaug!

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> Tom Lancaster wrote:
>> I'm having problems with the following page in IE6: 
>> http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/2
> 
> I'm really surprised :-)
> IE6 is such a nice bugger ...err... browser ;-)
> 
>> Firstly, the whole page is slightly left of center ( it's supposed to
>> be centered ). This applies to whatever content the template has.
> 
> IE is auto-expanding the centered body - creating a wide space on the
> right side, but I didn't look around for what causes it.
> 
> You may add...
> 
> * html body {overflow-x: hidden;}
> 
> ...to fix it. The 'IE-only' hack is to avoid "killing" the horizontal
> scroll-bar in other browsers - like Firefox.
> 

I added that, and was once-again-centered.

> You should of course try to find the real cause, as something is pushing
> body-width in that page. Other browsers won't expand beyond declared
> width, but the pushing element (or whatever) may have an effect on them
> too (although I can't see any).
> 

I have already had and dealt with content overflow, using :hidden for FF 
and word-wrap:breakword for IE, but as everything is wrapping nicely or 
disappearing I can't see where overflow would come from either.

>> Secondly, the content in the middle column starts way down the page. 
>> This only seems to happen with this bar. Others:
> 
> Not sure what causes that either, but the following "fix" worked locally.
> 
> Add...
> 
> #outerColumnContainer {padding: 1px;}
> 
> ...and see if that helps without any negative effects on the live pages.
> 

Seems to work a dream. What made you think of that solution?

I'm very grateful for your help with this, and inspired to try and 
figure out why these solutions work.

Tom
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Re: [css-d] ul lists and css

[~davidLaakso]

jaklitsch maya wrote:
> I am having problems with styling ul...
>
>
>   

> Why my problems? 
>   
I don't understand exactly what the problem is...?
> MJ
These are a few links that may help styling lists and menus. I think 
you'll need to ask a specific question, or provide a link to the page.



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Re: [css-d] ul lists and css

[Zoe M. Gillenwater]

jaklitsch maya wrote:
> I am having problems with styling ul.
>
> I have the following css style on an linked css style
> sheet for all the good it does me. Sorry I do not have
> the page on the web.
>
> ---
> The first two are for a specific ul
>
> .staff ul {font-size: 85%;
>list-style: none;}
>  
> .staff ul li {font-size: 85%;
>   list-style: none;}
>
> This one is for a generic ul.
>
> ul {list-style-position: inside;
> list-style: none;}
> ---
>
> In both instances the list-style type is present. I
> first started with a circle bullet, but then changed
> my mind. I then decided to use the default. Well it
> never showed up, but the li stayed with the circle. 
>
> I then decided to go with a dash instead. Well now I
> have a circle and a dash.
>   

MJ,

I don't understand what you are asking. Based on your CSS, none of your 
unordered lists should have bullets of any kind. Is this what you want? 
If not, what do you want? Can we see the page that exhibits the problem?

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] IE6 odd behavior - how surprising

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Tom Lancaster wrote:
> I'm having problems with the following page in IE6: 
> http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/2

I'm really surprised :-)
IE6 is such a nice bugger ...err... browser ;-)

> Firstly, the whole page is slightly left of center ( it's supposed to
> be centered ). This applies to whatever content the template has.

IE is auto-expanding the centered body - creating a wide space on the
right side, but I didn't look around for what causes it.

You may add...

* html body {overflow-x: hidden;}

...to fix it. The 'IE-only' hack is to avoid "killing" the horizontal
scroll-bar in other browsers - like Firefox.

You should of course try to find the real cause, as something is pushing
body-width in that page. Other browsers won't expand beyond declared
width, but the pushing element (or whatever) may have an effect on them
too (although I can't see any).

> Secondly, the content in the middle column starts way down the page. 
> This only seems to happen with this bar. Others:

Not sure what causes that either, but the following "fix" worked locally.

Add...

#outerColumnContainer {padding: 1px;}

...and see if that helps without any negative effects on the live pages.

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Re: [css-d] Sorry forgot the url IE 5.2 double image?

[videoscott1]

Dah! I knew it was a stupid easy, but I did get rid  of it I thought. 
Golive I guess allows that for the zero values.
Thanks!


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> because of this
>
>h1   { background: inherit;  }
>in your stylesheet
>  
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[css-d] IE6 odd behavior - how surprising

[Tom Lancaster]

Hello,

I'm having problems with the following page in IE6:
http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/2

Firstly, the whole page is slightly left of center ( it's supposed to be 
centered ). This applies to whatever content the template has.

Secondly, the content in the middle column starts way down the page.
This only seems to happen with this bar. Others:

http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/1
http://www.newhanoian.com/new_details.php/venueid/5

...don't have this second problem, and I can't see what's different 
about the Barracuda.

I realize there's a lot of code in there, but if anyone has run across 
similar problems and knows where to look I'd appreciate knowing about it.

Thanks in advance,

Tom
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Re: [css-d] Sorry forgot the url IE 5.2 double image?

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

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> How come IE 5.2 mac is giving me a double image on both sides of  
> the header?


> www.videointegrations.com/odyssey/
> 

because of this

h1   { background: inherit;  }
in your stylesheet



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[css-d] picture is clipped or white space?

[videoscott1]

http://videointegrations.com/odyssey/

And now for the finale; I HOPE!
I'm getting a white space on the bottom of the winevalley picture for 
Opera and IE mac, looks fine in Saf/NS7.1 and various similarities with 
IE 5 - 7  on windows 2000 and XP. PLEASE HELP! I'm pretty sure it's just 
a simple problem I'm too glazed for. It's within the #faux-column. As I 
mentioned in a previous listing my widths are totaling under 100%. I 
tried a hack of html>body #main_content1 whereas I changed the bottom 
margin, which to my confusion is the direct answer for "seeing".

Thanks to anyone who can help me go with peace!
This weekend.
-scott

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[css-d] Sorry forgot the url IE 5.2 double image?

[videoscott1]

www.videointegrations.com/odyssey/ 


Sorry forgot the url.

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[css-d] IE 5.2 double image?

[videoscott1]

How come IE 5.2 mac is giving me a double image on both sides of the header?

-scott

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Re: [css-d] Nav borders

[~davidLaakso]

Daniel Hammond wrote:
> On www.southpawbrothers.com, the top borders of the navigation links show up
> in Firefox (as they should), but they don't show up in IE. Why?
> Daniel Hammond
Probably a combination of things  is causing that specific problem, but 
there are other issues too:
Although your css is valid, the markup is not (always a good idea to 
validate before posting).
- id's are unique, they can only be used once on a page (you have used 
#nav several times)
- you have no doctype, consequently ie is in quirksmode, and rendering 
even among the compliant browsers may be different
- you are using proprietary html in the table
- and you are using i-frames (which complicates things a little)
The good news is that someone far more experienced than me will read 
this, and point you toward a path of salvation.
Regards,
~dL
PS Very nice illustration!

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[css-d] row disappearing when using onmouseover event in IE

[Thomas Brown]

I am having a problem in IE. I am trying to create a scrolling grid and it 
works just fine in Firefox, but when I use it in IE and mouseover the col5, it 
removes the row once I have scrolled and then mouseover the column text. Any 
ideas???http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>Scrolling Grid 
Test* { font-family : 
verdana, sans-serif; font-size : 11px }div.gridContainer {clear: 
both;border: 1px solid #963;height: 400px;overflow: 
auto;width: 770px;}html>body div.gridContainer {
overflow: hidden;width: 770px;}div.gridContainer table {
float: left;width: 740px;}html>body div.gridContainer table {   
 width: 770px;}.gridHeaderRow {position: relative;}
html>body tbody.gridBody {height: 382px;overflow: auto;
width: 740px;}thead.gridHeader div.headerRowOff { position: relative; 
color:#0f0; }thead.gridHeader div.headerRowOn { position: relative; 
color:#f00; }
col 1
col 2col 3  
  col 4col 5   
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