[css-d] FF gap disappears with Border set to none?

2007-04-19 Thread Robert Lane
http://tinyurl.com/2d279b

Can someone explain this?  I was getting a 10px gap between the footer 
div and the maincontent with the body background color showing through 
in FF - but IE7 showed it the way I intended with no gap.

When I added a border and then set it to none on the p.addr in the 
footercontent div the gap disappeared and it looks correct in both IE7 
and FF.  Here is the line I added:

border: 1px solid yellow; border: none;

What's with that and how does it make any sense?
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Re: [css-d] Vailiation

2007-04-19 Thread David Dorward
On 19/04/07, Arthur Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm familiar with W3W validation service.
   A lot of the time I'm working on a laptop and the Internet is not
   available to me.
   Does anybody know of a validator I can download (bought or free).

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html

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Re: [css-d] FF gap disappears with Border set to none?

2007-04-19 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
Hi Robert,
This is a collapsing margin issue.
As usual,  the correct behavior is the FF rendering way *showing the gap*.
Have a look at: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CollapsingMargin
Mauricio Samy Silva



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 http://tinyurl.com/2d279b
 
 Can someone explain this?  I was getting a 10px gap between the footer 
 div and the maincontent with the body background color showing through 
 in FF - but IE7 showed it the way I intended with no gap.
 
 When I added a border and then set it to none on the p.addr in the 
 footercontent div the gap disappeared and it looks correct in both IE7 
 and FF.  Here is the line I added:
 
 border: 1px solid yellow; border: none;
 
 What's with that and how does it make any sense?
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Re: [css-d] yet another drop down menu

2007-04-19 Thread tedd
At 12:29 PM -0400 4/17/07, jeffrey morin wrote:
hi everyone,

sorry in advance for the stupid questions but i am not grasping how to get
the drop down menu to work in ie.

here is my link:
http://bioneutrix.com/about_bioneutrix.htm

the javascript is in the head section and i got that from this article:
http://alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns

unfortunately i can't get it to work right. the drop down will appear but i
can't hover over it and navigate through the links.
can someone please help me on this it's driving me nuts.

Thanks in advance,
Jeff


Jeff:

Perhaps this will help:

http://sperling.com/examples/menuv/

Cheers,

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[css-d] Background Image flash on initial hover

2007-04-19 Thread rollandburn
Hi everybody, just wondering if anyone can shed light on why the background
image on the LAWYERS click here to JOIN NOW! link flashes blank for a
second upon initial hover on this site

http://mrrepublic.aphexhosting.com/MRRE_for_Lawyers/

Thanks for checking

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Re: [css-d] IE 1-pixel bug

2007-04-19 Thread brian
  ~davidLaakso wrote:
 brian wrote:

 In IE 6  7, i'm seeing a 1-pixel or so shift to the right in the text 
 that is inside #content where it runs beside #nav. That is, below the 
 bottom of nav, the text correctly hugs the left side of #content. It's 
 sort of like text wrapping around a float, but actually seems to be that 
 a 1- or 2-pixel magical buffer is being created to the right of #nav.

 http://www.zijn-digital.com/css-d/1-pixel-shift.html

 I think it may be a win/IE 3px jog-- corrected in IE7.0 (I think).
 One fix is:
 /* Hides from IE5-mac \*/
 * html #content {height: 1%;}
 /* End hide from IE5-mac */
 Closed the gap for me in IE6.0 (local :: xp)
 See: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2cid=C37E0

Right you are! I knew this looked familiar. I should have clued-in when 
i first realised that it was actually more than a single pixel.

Also note: this was *not* occurring with IE7. My WinXP box is toast atm 
so i couldn't test it myself. And i thought the client had only IE7, but 
he uses 2 computers. It turns out that we were both seeing this bug in IE6.

Thanks for the reply.

b
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[css-d] rubbish on http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage

2007-04-19 Thread Erik Visser
goto:  http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage

then:  resizing images

there are links to sites on:
- safes
- paris hilton
- etc.

Erik
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Re: [css-d] Vailiation (Validation)

2007-04-19 Thread bj
Does anybody know of a validator I can download (bought or free).

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=validatorstatus=4

I'm using the one from Mark Guery, and it works well. It's visible as
a button in the browser window (green for good, red for wrong) with
the errors shown right in the source code window, in a sub-frame. It
highlights the line(s) the problems reside in. If you click on the
problem in the problem list it shows where in the source code it is.
Very nice, very helpful timesaver.

As you can see, there are others.

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Re: [css-d] FF gap disappears with Border set to none?

2007-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mauricio Samy Silva wrote:

 This is a collapsing margin issue.

It would have been a 'collapsing margin' issue, but in this case...

 http://tinyurl.com/2d279b

...the potential margin is _zeroed out_.

The...

 border: 1px solid yellow; border: none;

...doesn't make any sense since the border is declared on - and
then removed from - the wrong element. There _is_ no border on p.addr,
and having one would not have any effect - regardless of whether the
margin is zero or something else on p.addr itself.

Collapsing margins are confusing enough in themselves, but in this case
it looks like the margins was zeroed just before the fix was added, so
the fix seems to have an effect even if it doesn't.

---

The only effect of such an add fixes until it works approach, is that
one may lose track of which fix actually worked and which didn't.
Lots of half-tested fixes around on the web...

It is important to go all the way back by removing fixes until the
problem appears again, and then add and keep only one fix at a time
until the problem and which fix to use us sorted out.
Repeat a few dozen times for each problem - until one is sure the
problem is understood and one is using a good fix for it, and then make
notes for the next time the same or similar problems occur. A good set
of notes will save hours and days of frustration and head scratching in
future projects.

---

*Containing collapsing margins* - one way or another...

If elements inside a container have vertical margins that should be
contained, then it's the _container_, #footer or #footercontent in this
case, that shall have a contain all margins declaration.

IE/win already got a contain all margins declaration - 'height: 760px'
on #footer, although that's of course just one of the against all
standards effect a 'hasLayout'[1] trigger always has.

More standard compliant browsers do need an actual border-top or an
actual padding-top - alternatively a declaration causing the
establishment of a new 'block formatting context'[2] on the container -
on #footer or #footercontent in this case.
Even a 'clearing' element between the element with the
problematic margins and the edge of the container itself, will do.

---

Of course: the simplest way to solve 'collapsing margins' problems is to
zero out all potentially problematic margins - as was done in the
original case in this thread. Some actually promote such an approach.

I'd call that a pretty limited or limiting solution, since having *no*
margins means I've lost a vital ingredient, and adding *new* margins
will cause any problematic 'collapsing margins' to pop up again.
I don't like to design within such limitations, so I prefer to be in
control of the problem itself - whenever it occurs.

regards
Georg

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#q15
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[css-d] Scroll Bar Question

2007-04-19 Thread Steve LaBadie
Is there a way to have the scrollbar not disappear in Firefox if the
page height is less than the browser window?

 

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Re: [css-d] ie6 png nightmare

2007-04-19 Thread brian
 Yes I ran into this as well.  It turns out that the path for the image
 loader is relative to the /page/ that the image is being displayed in -
 not the CSS file.  I had to move this into a conditional comment on each
 page because I don't have all my pages in one directory, or even at the
 same level (so I couldn't consistently use ../location-of-image).  Drove
 me nuts for a while too :-)
 
 i am not sure i understand. do i have to move both the png and the blank gif
 into the same folder as my css file then?

First, you don't need the blank gif unless you're going the javascript 
route (i may be wrong here as i haven't seen your complete setup).

As for the location of the image, you're best off placing it in a 
particular directory and providing the absolute path to it, eg. 
/images/headers/logo.png.

The point is that, with ../logo.png, the filter will otherwise always 
be looking for the image in the directory above the HTML page the CSS is 
being evaluated for. This severely limits where you can create pages. By 
providing an absolute path, it will always point directly to the image 
because it is not being evaluated from the position of the HTML file in 
the hierarchy but from document root--which never changes.

I rarely use relative paths that point up the hierarchy, rather than 
further down. I can't remember the last time i did, in fact. Use 
absolute and save yourself some headaches.

Also, are you sure you want to be using 'scale'? My guess is that you'd 
probably want sizingMethod='image' for a logo. What you have is for 
scaling the image to fit the container you're applying the filter to. 
That might not be what's best here.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/filter/reference/filters/alphaimageloader.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/filter/reference/properties/sizingmethod_1.asp

b


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[css-d] Sliding doors tabs not working

2007-04-19 Thread Dave M G
CSS-d,

I may have missed something obvious, but I've gone over the tutorial here:
http://alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/

... and when I get to the Finishing Touches part, somehow my tabs 
aren't behaving as the example tabs are.

My site is here:
http://formever.org

And the relevant CSS is:
.mainNavigation li{
height:30px;
display:inline;
list-style-image:none;
text-align:center;
float:left;
background:url(tabright.png) no-repeat right top;
margin:0;
padding:0 0 0 10px;
   
}

.mainNavigation a{
display:block;
background:url(tableft.png)  no-repeat left top;
padding:5px 20px 4px 10px;
text-decoration:none;
color: black;
}


Any advice about where I messed up would be most appreciated.

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Re: [css-d] CSS I/O Error: Stream closed

2007-04-19 Thread Kevin Leebroderick
 I have made a website and the CSS validates on most pages (only one CSS and 
 the same throughout entire website), however, on same pages the CSS Validator 
 gives me the following error message:

You might want to provide a link to the page that isn't validating and
its css file.

 CSS Validator Error
 I/O Error: Stream closed.

(I am just making a kind of educated guess here... I hope it helps)
 Usually I/O Error means Input/Output Error. Stream closed usually
refers to the information being transported. All data flowing in and
out of programs goes through a systems kernel to make sure the data
goes to the right place. In this case this error report seems to be
telling you that there is problems with communication between the CSS
Validator and the server your pages are on. You could try validating
your CSS by File Upload and see if the CSS Validator is successful
that way.

Leebroderick
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Re: [css-d] Scroll Bar Question

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Steve LaBadie wrote:
 Is there a way to have the scrollbar not disappear in Firefox if the
 page height is less than the browser window?


   
Set height on body to 101%.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] yet another drop down menu

2007-04-19 Thread Francesco Rizzi
Just one thing I noticed:
It seems you copy-paste the javascript, without removing the '' character
they use to indicate 'newline'.
Specifically, these two lines here:
[quote]

  this.className=this.className.replace»
( over, );

[/quote]
should appear on a single line

Additionally, I think IE 7 lets you do :hover rules on li tags, so this
might all be needed only if you are targetting IE 6 on Win.

HTH,
F.O.R.

On 4/17/07, jeffrey morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi everyone,

 sorry in advance for the stupid questions but i am not grasping how to get
 the drop down menu to work in ie.

 here is my link:
 http://bioneutrix.com/about_bioneutrix.htm

 the javascript is in the head section and i got that from this article:
 http://alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns

 unfortunately i can't get it to work right. the drop down will appear but
 i
 can't hover over it and navigate through the links.
 can someone please help me on this it's driving me nuts.

 Thanks in advance,
 Jeff
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[css-d] IE7 Related Issue with Alignment on a CSS/XHTML Drop Down Menu

2007-04-19 Thread Todd Baylis
Hello All,

This is my first time posting here, but it looks like a very valuable  
resource that I hope to become involved in.

So my question is related to IE7's weird rendering of my horizontal  
drop-down menu.  The site is http://www.advisorsite.ca and it renders  
fine in Safari, Firefox (win and mac) and IE 6.  When you mouse over  
the links in IE7, the drop-down menus appear offset slightly high and  
far to the left...

I've tried a number of fixes and haven't been able to get it to  
display right.  Please can anyone shed some light on this problem.   
Alternatively (or additionally) it would be great to be pointed in  
the direction of some concise resources for FULL cross-browser  
compatibility (just when I think I have IE tamed, they bring our IE7!)

Thanks in advance,

Todd Baylis
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[css-d] IE7: bug (?) on divs display: none / block toggle with javascript and overflow: auto

2007-04-19 Thread Simon White
Hello,

I have an issue with the following page:

http://fruey.free.fr/maps/map_with_nav2.php?CATID=94142

In the right hand column, there is a container with 4 divs inside of it (they 
are populated via DOM updates in the page javascript).

div id=info_pane_hotel/div
div id=info_pane_resto/div
div id=info_pane_theatre/div
div id=info_pane_evt/div

At any one time, three are hidden (display:none) and by clicking on the icon at 
the top of the block, you toggle the one which is not hidden (display:block) 
via a javascript function act_tab().

In Firefox this works OK - there is a separate issue with slowness, I'd be 
grateful if anyone could respond to this too, but I doubt it's much to do with 
CSS:

http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Maps-API/browse_thread/thread/ef2205f49bf100b6/

MAIN ISSUES :

In IE7, there are two issues

1. Clicking the theatre tab (the mask) causes the div with theatre offers in it 
to appear way down the block, as if one of the other divs is being set to 
visibility:hidden instead of display:none (not an issue in Firefox)

2. Clicking the events tab (the blue eye) shows a div with a scrollbar _and_ 
the content repeated below it, like the content was being repeated twice. (not 
an issue in Firefox)

Any insight much appreciated. Please note this is a public beta site, and only 
the Google Group and this list are aware of it.

[Sorry in advance for using Outlook as my MTA, according the way your terms for 
this list are phrased I expect this may annoy some people].

Regards, 

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[css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Dave Pierce
Hello Gurus of Great Graphics,

Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from  
scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)  
http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in  
the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?  
I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/ 
center1.html but it didn't seem to work.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thank You in Advance
;-Dave



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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread jeffrey morin
On 4/19/07, Dave Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Gurus of Great Graphics,

 Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from
 scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)
 http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in
 the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?



 you only need margin: 0 auto; not margin: 0 auto auto  0;
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Dave Pierce wrote:
 Hello Gurus of Great Graphics,

 Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from  
 scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)  
 http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in  
 the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?  
 I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/ 
 center1.html but it didn't seem to work.

   

It appears that you have the wrapper margin written incorrectly.  The 
order kind of spells TRouBLe - that's TOP, RIGHT, BOTTOM, LEFT, or 
counter-clockwise from the top.  So your wrapper margin should be:

margin: 0 auto 0 auto;

This can be shortened to:

margin: 0 auto;

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Anahita Shafa
Change the margin of the main wrapper to auto. remove the 0.

#wrapper { background-color: #fff9b7; text-align: center; width: 780px; height: 
100%; margin: auto; }

Anahita


- Original Message 
From: Dave Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:21:09 PM
Subject: [css-d] Centering into the browser


Hello Gurus of Great Graphics,

Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from  
scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)  
http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in  
the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?  
I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/ 
center1.html but it didn't seem to work.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thank You in Advance
;-Dave



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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Dave Pierce
To Anahita, Lori and DJ, Thank you all. Perfect fix.

;-Dave



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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Daniel Hammond
| Dave Pierce wrote:
|  Hello Gurus of Great Graphics,
| 
|  Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from  
|  scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)  
|  http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in  
|  the right direction to get the page centered into the 
| browser window?  
|  I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/ 
|  center1.html but it didn't seem to work. 
| 
| Lori wrote:
| It appears that you have the wrapper margin written incorrectly.  The 
| order kind of spells TRouBLe - that's TOP, RIGHT, BOTTOM, LEFT, or 
| counter-clockwise from the top.  So your wrapper margin should be:
| margin: 0 auto 0 auto;
| This can be shortened to:
| margin: 0 auto;
| Lori


Yes -- top, right, bottom, left -- which is clockwise, not
counter-clockwise.

Daniel Hammond
2227 Dunseath Ave.
Atlanta, GA 30318
770-842-8817
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Daniel Hammond wrote:
 Yes -- top, right, bottom, left -- which is clockwise, not
 counter-clockwise.

   
Beg your pardon.  Too many digital clocks :-)

L
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Daniel Hammond
| Daniel Hammond wrote:
|  Yes -- top, right, bottom, left -- which is clockwise, not
|  counter-clockwise.
| 
|
| Beg your pardon.  Too many digital clocks :-)
| 
| L


No worries. Just making sure everything is clear for everyone :)

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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Richard Brown
Hi Dave

On 19/04/07, Dave Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from
 scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)
 http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in
 the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?
 I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/
 center1.html but it didn't seem to work.

I think you also need to change your #body declaration to text-align:
center. WinIE 5 doesn't recognise the margin: auto declaration.

Can anybody confirm this please? Thanks.
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Richard Brown wrote:
 ...snipped...
 
 I think you also need to change your #body declaration to text-align:
 center. WinIE 5 doesn't recognise the margin: auto declaration.

 Can anybody confirm this please? Thanks.
   

He has the text align on the wrapper division.  Since his wrapper 
division encompasses all the remaining content, this works fine.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Sliding doors tabs not working

2007-04-19 Thread jeffrey morin
On 4/19/07, Dave M G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 CSS-d,

 I may have missed something obvious, but I've gone over the tutorial here:
 http://alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/

 ... and when I get to the Finishing Touches part, somehow my tabs
 aren't behaving as the example tabs are.

 My site is here:
 http://formever.org

 And the relevant CSS is:
 .mainNavigation li{
 height:30px;
 display:inline;
 list-style-image:none;
 text-align:center;
 float:left;
 background:url(tabright.png) no-repeat right top;
 margin:0;
 padding:0 0 0 10px;

 }

 .mainNavigation a{
 display:block;
 background:url(tableft.png)  no-repeat left top;
 padding:5px 20px 4px 10px;
 text-decoration:none;
 color: black;
 }


 Any advice about where I messed up would be most appreciated.




Hi Dave,

 if you zero down the padding on the mainNavigation li it will
bring the links together. if you give the tableft.png a background color the
same that you will be using, in this case white, it will cover up the
tabright.png. the transparency of the png is what causes problems for you.
hope that helps. i got that to work on ff for my mac.

Jeff
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Re: [css-d] Centering into the browser

2007-04-19 Thread Big John
Dave Pierce wrote:

 Can someone take a look at this page (I finally got to do one from  
 scratch instead of updating old stuff! ;-)  
 http:www.pierceartanddesign.com/testfiles/ and perhaps point me in  
 the right direction to get the page centered into the browser window?  
 I tried the method described here http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/ 
 center1.html but it didn't seem to work.

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement

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[css-d] Fixed Layout in IE 6 - Standards Mode

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Hi,

I have been trying to get a fixed positioning emulation to work in IE 6 
and can't quite get it.  Most of the layout is fine except that the 
header won't extend all the way across the screen.  It stops short by 
150px, or the width of the sidebar.  I would like to get this working in 
standards mode, not in quirks mode.  Most the of the fixes I have found 
for this involve putting IE in quirks mode.  Is there any way to fix 
this in standards mode?

Test page:  http://www.goethebooks.com/gentest/fixed_header_sidebar.html

The CSS is right in the page.  I'm using a conditional comment to make 
the scrolling work properly.

Thanks, Lori
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Re: [css-d] This breaks completely in IE6 - request for help

2007-04-19 Thread Rachel Mawhood
Thank you, Jeff and Georg.

looks like the double margin float bug. it does break in ie7 as well. try
adding display inline to the first  container floating left. hope that works

A more cross-browser reliable styling is necessary, or else your design
won't have a chance in non-Gecko browsers.
Slightly improved example...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/test_07_4560.html
...with CSS here...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/jla2.css

I don't know how many frustrating hours you have saved me.
Regards
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Re: [css-d] Background Image flash on initial hover

2007-04-19 Thread jeffrey morin
On 4/19/07, rollandburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everybody, just wondering if anyone can shed light on why the
 background
 image on the LAWYERS click here to JOIN NOW! link flashes blank for a
 second upon initial hover on this site

 http://mrrepublic.aphexhosting.com/MRRE_for_Lawyers/

 Thanks for checking

 Rolland



  Hi Rolland,

   It does that because it has to go to the server to get the hover
image. the way you set up the top nav works best because
   it just moves the position of the background instead of calling a
completely different image.

   Jeff
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[css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-19 Thread DJS
I find this interesting.
I work on a Mac 99% of the time doing development, but recently I've 
started a design for my new site.

Italic text: FF Win doesn't smooth the text like IE Win does. (!?)

Dare I say, the text looks better in IE Win, like it does on my Mac.

I didn't find any setting in FF Win to change this, have I been missing 
this all along?

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Re: [css-d] Scroll Bar Question

2007-04-19 Thread brian
 Is there a way to have the scrollbar not disappear in Firefox if the
 page height is less than the browser window?

 
 Set height on body to 101%.

Rather, set height on html to 101%.

b
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Re: [css-d] Fixed Layout in IE 6 - Standards Mode

2007-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lori Lay wrote:

 I would like to get this working in standards mode, not in quirks 
 mode.  Most the of the fixes I have found for this involve putting IE
  in quirks mode.  Is there any way to fix this in standards mode?
 
 http://www.goethebooks.com/gentest/fixed_header_sidebar.html

You can try with some modifications...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/test_07_4590.html
...that I think will work acceptable in IE6.

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[css-d] help - ie7 leaving large gap in middle of page

2007-04-19 Thread jeffrey morin
hi

i am working on this site and i can't figure out why ie7 (probably 6 too but
i don't have ie6 to test at home) is putting the space in the middle. if you
scroll a little you will see a huge gap. i tried to zero the bottom margin
on the paragraph above the space but it still leaves some gap and then has
odd paragraph spacing.

i even tried closing the content div and putting the background div under it
and still had a gap. can someone please take a look and help me out with
this. it's been driving me nutty

http://melissagerstein.com/tests/rtb/ringtone-lingo.htm

thanks in advance if you can help

Jeff
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Re: [css-d] Fixed Layout in IE 6 - Standards Mode

2007-04-19 Thread Lori Lay
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Lori Lay wrote:

 I would like to get this working in standards mode, not in quirks 
 mode.  Most the of the fixes I have found for this involve putting IE
  in quirks mode.  Is there any way to fix this in standards mode?

 http://www.goethebooks.com/gentest/fixed_header_sidebar.html

 You can try with some modifications...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/test_07_4590.html
 ...that I think will work acceptable in IE6.


Thanks Georg.  That is much better.  I would love to know how setting 
the margin on the content division makes the header go all the way 
across now!  Still one minor detail:  when there is no scrollbar in IE, 
the header still stops as if there is one.  Is there any way to make the 
header span the page when there's no scrollbar, but to adjust properly 
when there is one?

Thanks again.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Fixed Layout in IE 6 - Standards Mode

2007-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lori Lay wrote:
 Still one minor detail:  when there is no scrollbar in IE, the header
 still stops as if there is one.  Is there any way to make the header
 span the page when there's no scrollbar, but to adjust properly when
 there is one?

The easiest solution is to keep the scrollbar regardless of page-length
- like IE/win does by default.
I have a mode independent CSS based solution here...
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_17.html
...where the scrollbar is locked in place.

However, I prefer to use mode independent IE-expressions...
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_15.html
...as I find them much easier to work with.

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Re: [css-d] yet another drop down menu

2007-04-19 Thread Roger Keays

 Additionally, I think IE 7 lets you do :hover rules on li tags, so this
 might all be needed only if you are targetting IE 6 on Win.

I find that IE7's implementation of this is buggy:
http://www.sunburnt.com.au/publications/design/css_menus/clean.html

In some cases, submenu ul's will be displayed as 'block' instead of 
'none'. This could also be something wrong with the  selector.

 
 HTH,
 F.O.R.
 
 On 4/17/07, jeffrey morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi everyone,

 sorry in advance for the stupid questions but i am not grasping how to get
 the drop down menu to work in ie.

 here is my link:
 http://bioneutrix.com/about_bioneutrix.htm

 the javascript is in the head section and i got that from this article:
 http://alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns

 unfortunately i can't get it to work right. the drop down will appear but
 i
 can't hover over it and navigate through the links.
 can someone please help me on this it's driving me nuts.

 Thanks in advance,
 Jeff
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Re: [css-d] yet another drop down menu

2007-04-19 Thread jeffrey morin
On 4/19/07, Roger Keays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Additionally, I think IE 7 lets you do :hover rules on li tags, so this
  might all be needed only if you are targetting IE 6 on Win.




   it does seem buggy. it may be just a spacing issue but it currently
will not allow scrolling over all of dropdown/pop out menu items. i am able
to get to the first link but if i try to get to the next one the gap seems
to cause the menu to collapse

Jeff
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[css-d] spacing issue with IE6

2007-04-19 Thread Joanne
The following website looks the way I want it to in IE6 (equal spacing
between the nav, the content and the edges.). In IE7  Firefox, there's a
large gap in the middle and tiny gaps on the left  right. I am floating the
left column (with the navigation) left, and the right column (with the
content) to the right.

What am I doing wrong here? (I realise that all these pixels only add up to
746 across with the #navigation  #content, but I had to do that for IE6 so
it would fit). I'm obviously missing something simple. Doh!

http://www.tokofurniture.com/aka 

#main {position: relative;
background-color: #feffcd;
border: 0px #00 solid;
width: 770px;
margin: 0 auto;
font-size: 115%;
font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
background-image: url(images/mainpaper.gif);
background-position: center;}

#navigation {width: 175px;
float: left;
margin-left: 8px;}

#content {width: 555px;
float: right;
margin-right: 8px;
margin-bottom: 5px;}

Joanne
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Re: [css-d] spacing issue with IE6

2007-04-19 Thread Bruno Fassino
Joanne wrote:

 The following website looks the way I want it to in IE6 (equal spacing
 between the nav, the content and the edges.). In IE7 
 Firefox, there's a large gap in the middle and tiny gaps on the
 left  right. I am floating the
 left column (with the navigation) left, and the right column (with the
 content) to the right.

 What am I doing wrong here? (I realise that all these pixels
 only add up to
 746 across with the #navigation  #content, but I had to do
 that for IE6 so
 it would fit). I'm obviously missing something simple. Doh!

 http://www.tokofurniture.com/aka

That's an IE6 bug: it doubles some margins on floats [1], add display:inline
to them to fix this. You will get the same narrow gaps on the left and right
like in Firefox, so you can then adjust your values for all.

hth,
Bruno

[1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html


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Re: [css-d] help - ie7 leaving large gap in middle of page

2007-04-19 Thread Bruno Fassino
jeffrey morin wrote:

 i am working on this site and i can't figure out why ie7
 (probably 6 too but i don't have ie6 to test at home) is
 putting the space in the middle. if you
 scroll a little you will see a huge gap. i tried to zero the
 bottom margin
 on the paragraph above the space but it still leaves some gap
 and then has odd paragraph spacing.

 http://melissagerstein.com/tests/rtb/ringtone-lingo.htm


At the moment I don't see a 'huge' gap, but rather a stripe where there is
no background. That's normal: you have a background image on #contentLingo
set no-repeat, and the amount of contents (paragraphs) that you have inside
is longer than the image's height. That also depends on text-size. Try
changing font-size and you will see this stripe change its height.
If this is the problem (but from your description I'm not sure) you will
have to restructure a bit where you put your backgrounds...

hth,
Bruno

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