Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:
 In IE7 (I haven't checked IE6 yet), the navigation centers vertically
  perfectly. In FF (on PC and Mac) and Safari, the navigation is going
  to the top of the box that is a background image. I can't for the 
 life of me figure out why.

IE6 and IE7 are cheating - the effect of 'hasLayout'[1], which means no
other browser - including IE8 - will follow their lead without some
proper styling.

To fix, add a new box formatting context[2] generating style, like...

div.list-menu {
float: left;
width: 100%;
}

...to keep the margin-top on div.list-menu ul from escaping
div.list-menu and join - collapsing[3] into - its margin-top.

I used that particular styling with 'float', to avoid problems with some
of the alternatives in even older IE/win versions.

 Then I need to put the donation box (in its own div) in the 
 horizontal center of that 250px width of the nav box that wraps both 
 the list- menu div and the donation div, not flush left. Have a 
 feeling this may be a parent-child or ancestor thing that I can't 
 figure out. I can't get that to work on any of the browsers I've 
 checked today.

Not sure if I understand how you want that to appear visually, so here's
a partial and pretty rough example on how I would do it...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328.html
CSS:
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328_files/ierc.css

Some cross-browser tuning still needed to make it appear the same
everywhere, I think, but the basic markup and CSS changes are there.

You need two - different - background-images for it to make it look
right. I just reused the single one you have in there, so the upper
corners show up for the lower one. You'll get the idea.

Note: make those background-images tall enough and allow the container
to stretch in height, to allow for some font-resizing. Fixed height
means it'll break under stress, so I've commented that height out for now.

 I was able to validate the CSS and HTML on this. :-) You guys have me
  trained.

Good - it helps :-)

 http://mdh-test.com/ieresidential/index.shtml 
 http://mdh-test.com/ieresidential/ierc.css

regards
Georg

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-formatting
[3]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#collapsing-margins
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[css-d] (no subject)

2008-03-28 Thread William Gates
Hi Theresa,
This article should help:
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/centervertically.html
For browsers other than IE7, you should be able to set the display of  
the parent element (#nav) to 'display: table;', and then the display  
and vertical-align of the target element (div.list-menu)to 'display:  
table-cell; vertical-align: middle;'. You might then need a  
conditional comment in the head if this messes things up in IE7.
William

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[css-d] Funky RTL behaviour with 3-column layout

2008-03-28 Thread Sharon Go
Hello All!

After 4 days of agonizing over a 3-column layout, I'd like to ask you
all for some assistance.

My mandate is to add a customizable 3-column option for users to add
to their site at their leasure.

It was straighforward enough. After several quick tests, I determined
that, for our needs, using ALA's holy grail seemed like a stable
enough option. I really liked the cleanliness of the markup!

Everything worked fine. But since our services are available in a
variety of languages, I tested the layout in RTL format.

All h*ll broke lose.

When the window is resized to less than 680px, the left-hand content
slides under the window and simply disappears. It's not even
accessible by a scrollbar.

You can view a very simple version here:
http://goxsha.googlepages.com/bare-bones-column.htm

If I remove the min-width property off the body element, I don't
have this issue, but... you can imagine what it does to the poor
layout!

If anyone can provide some insight, or can point me to the right
direction it would be SOOO much appreciated!
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Re: [css-d] Funky RTL behaviour with 3-column layout

2008-03-28 Thread David Laakso
Sharon Go wrote:

 It was straighforward enough. After several quick tests, I determined
 that, for our needs, using ALA's holy grail seemed like a stable
 enough option. 
 http://goxsha.googlepages.com/bare-bones-column.htm

   



The ALA holy grail is known to be problematic. It is flaky at best.

This is a stable, robust 3 column layout that will work extremely 
cross-browser:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins


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Re: [css-d] Funky RTL behaviour with 3-column layout

2008-03-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Sharon Go wrote:
 Everything worked fine. But since our services are available in a 
 variety of languages, I tested the layout in RTL format.

 When the window is resized to less than 680px, the left-hand content 
 slides under the window and simply disappears. It's not even 
 accessible by a scrollbar.

Depends on browsers' RTL support.
- Opera 8+, Firefox 3b and IE7 produce a horizontal scrollbar (IE7 may
need a refresh once the window is narrowed, just to catch up), and they
all treat the RTL version pretty similar to an LTR version, only in
reverse, of course.
- Safari 3.1(win) and Firefox 2.x do not handle overflowing RTL well,
and you're probably seeing the failure in an Fx2 version.
- IE6 can't handle the holy grail layout in any direction without a lot
of help, but will otherwise handle RTL well.
- IE8b1 is completely lost, but that's nothing to worry about at this stage.

 http://goxsha.googlepages.com/bare-bones-column.htm

I suggest you do some testing with a fixed-width container - a
single-column construction - in RTL vs. LTR across browser-land, and
make notes of which browser-versions that provide good enough RTL
support for your needs. They're slowly getting there.

A small enough width (min-width) should prevent serious problems in
older versions.
Another alternative is to move the RTL from the browser-window to a
wrapper-div. This RTL in an LTR window approach is of course not a
good one in your case, but at least it will work. I use it here...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_11f-rtl.html
...but for a different purpose.

That holy grail layout is one of the least tested layouts I've seen so
far, so it may not be the best choice in any case. However, once you've
got IE6' bugs and weaknesses under control the holy grail itself should
work pretty well.

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread tmesa.mesadesignhouse
Very interesting. The first fix made the site work in all the  
browsers, but boy, did it break the rendering in the DW! Now my main  
content and the donate button are hanging off the right edge of my  
content box and kind of off the edge of the DW window. Could the  
float:left on the div#nav AND the float:left on div.list-menu be  
causing that? The div#nav wraps the div.list-menu and div.donate.

On the donate button sitch. Sorry I wasn't clearer. I don't want the  
donate button to be part of the navigation box. I want it to be below  
it and centered underneath it. The version you gave me a link to was  
totally broken, because the box for the navigation is a background  
image that is only 230px high and should only have navigation in it.  
Your fix caused the background box to start doing some sort of tiling.


Theresa Mesa
Mesa Design House
http://mesadesignhouse.com
909-796-5739
909-796-5789 (Fax)







On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:49 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:
 In IE7 (I haven't checked IE6 yet), the navigation centers vertically
 perfectly. In FF (on PC and Mac) and Safari, the navigation is going
 to the top of the box that is a background image. I can't for the  
 life of me figure out why.

 IE6 and IE7 are cheating - the effect of 'hasLayout'[1], which means  
 no
 other browser - including IE8 - will follow their lead without some
 proper styling.

 To fix, add a new box formatting context[2] generating style,  
 like...

 div.list-menu {
 float: left;
 width: 100%;
 }

 ...to keep the margin-top on div.list-menu ul from escaping
 div.list-menu and join - collapsing[3] into - its margin-top.

 I used that particular styling with 'float', to avoid problems with  
 some
 of the alternatives in even older IE/win versions.

 Then I need to put the donation box (in its own div) in the  
 horizontal center of that 250px width of the nav box that wraps  
 both the list- menu div and the donation div, not flush left. Have  
 a feeling this may be a parent-child or ancestor thing that I can't  
 figure out. I can't get that to work on any of the browsers I've  
 checked today.

 Not sure if I understand how you want that to appear visually, so  
 here's
 a partial and pretty rough example on how I would do it...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328.html
 CSS:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328_files/ierc.css

 Some cross-browser tuning still needed to make it appear the same
 everywhere, I think, but the basic markup and CSS changes are there.

 You need two - different - background-images for it to make it look
 right. I just reused the single one you have in there, so the upper
 corners show up for the lower one. You'll get the idea.

 Note: make those background-images tall enough and allow the container
 to stretch in height, to allow for some font-resizing. Fixed height
 means it'll break under stress, so I've commented that height out  
 for now.

 I was able to validate the CSS and HTML on this. :-) You guys have me
 trained.

 Good - it helps :-)

 http://mdh-test.com/ieresidential/index.shtml 
 http://mdh-test.com/ieresidential/ierc.css

 regards
   Georg

 [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
 [2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-formatting
 [3]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#collapsing-margins
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[css-d] removing tables from my template

2008-03-28 Thread Daniel Kessler
My site was converted to a template of tables and divs last year.  I  
am trying to make it tableless.  I am having quite a bit of trouble  
doing so.  I am working on the main content area first, even though  
there are tables above and below it.  This is because I have  
assistance on moving over the content for the next few weeks only and  
the tables above and below the main content area are in includes  
which I can independently adjust later.

The last table in the content area sets the size of the main content  
(in class lvl1 and then sets a background image (in td class  
lvl3).   When I surround the table in a div and give it the same  
class as the table, but for a div, it doesn't fill the whole space or  
not as well as the table.

Here is an example of surrounding the table in a div (in an eventual  
effort of losing the table):
http://sph.umd.edu/home/blank2.cfm

and here is an example of it looking correct with tables:
http://sph.umd.edu/home/blank.cfm

Eventually I want to remove the whole table, so I need to work on  
removing the class from the td too, which went horribly badly.


Any advise on working this out is gratefully accepted.  It doesn't  
validate, but I only have 2 errors and this is an effort to eliminate  
those too.


thank you.



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School of Public Health
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College Park, MD  20742-2611
Phone: 301-405-2545
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[css-d] Prohibit Font resizing (cross browser)

2008-03-28 Thread Kent Broestl
Howdy all:

I'm looking to prohibit the users from resizing font in one div on a page,
and the solution needs to be cross browser. It's used in a header and pretty
large, so accessibility isn't a concern, I just don't want the layout
breaking.

Anybody have any ideas how best to lock a font size to a pre-determined
size?

Thanks,

Kent
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Re: [css-d] Prohibit Font resizing (cross browser)

2008-03-28 Thread Christian Heilmann

 I'm looking to prohibit the users from resizing font in one div on a page,
 and the solution needs to be cross browser. It's used in a header and pretty
 large, so accessibility isn't a concern, I just don't want the layout
 breaking.

 Anybody have any ideas how best to lock a font size to a pre-determined
 size?

 Thanks,
   
Use a graphic?

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Re: [css-d] Prohibit Font resizing (cross browser)

2008-03-28 Thread David Laakso
Kent Broestl wrote:
 I'm looking to prohibit the users from resizing font in one div on a page,
 and the solution needs to be cross browser. It's used in a header and pretty
 large, so accessibility isn't a concern, I just don't want the layout
 breaking.

 Anybody have any ideas how best to lock a font size to a pre-determined
 size?


 Kent

   


 
Chisel it in stone and uploaded the stone to your host/server?
Or set it as an image.

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Re: [css-d] Prohibit Font resizing (cross browser)

2008-03-28 Thread cj
On 3/28/08, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Use a graphic?

the trend with browsers seems to moving towards zoom (yuck) instead
of a simple text resize, so i'm not sure how long the graphic idea
would work.
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Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread tmesa.mesadesignhouse
Sorry!! I didn't mean to sound like I was criticizing you!

And your fix for the donation box worked this time (because it's below  
the navigation), but I haven't checked it in all the browsers.

I do sort of wish the fix for the navigation worked in DW too, since  
I'm using it to view my layout before I upload it to the server. Kind  
of makes it hard to lay things out when the divs are all akimbo. When  
it looks like that in DW, I kind of feel like I've taken the pieces,  
thrown them up in the air, uploaded them to the server, and hope they  
go where they're supposed to without a lot of extra work. Of course,  
I'm a print designer first, so I'm used to looking at things where  
they're supposed to be before they ever go to press (or in the case of  
websites, to the server).

I'm going to set the navigation font size so it doesn't resize. The  
words are pretty big as it is.

But thank you so much for your help! I'll dig into this some more.


Theresa Mesa
Mesa Design House
http://mesadesignhouse.com
909-796-5739
909-796-5789 (Fax)







On Mar 28, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:
 Very interesting. The first fix made the site work in all the  
 browsers, but boy, did it break the rendering in the DW! Now my  
 main content and the donate button are hanging off the right edge  
 of my content box and kind of off the edge of the DW window. Could  
 the float:left on the div#nav AND the float:left on div.list-menu  
 be causing that? The div#nav wraps the div.list-menu and div.donate.

 Forget DW's rendering. DW is not a browser.

 On the donate button sitch. Sorry I wasn't clearer. I don't want  
 the donate button to be part of the navigation box. I want it to be  
 below
 it and centered underneath it. The version you gave me a link to was
 totally broken, because the box for the navigation is a background
 image that is only 230px high and should only have navigation in it.
 Your fix caused the background box to start doing some sort of
 tiling.

 Not tiling, but demonstrating how such a background should be  
 applied if
 you don't want the nav to look broken in every browser on earth when
 subjected to font-resizing. I didn't bother to create the two images
 necessary for the effect, since it was just a quickly made example.

 Of course, what your design can take, or not, is not my problem, and  
 you
 didn't ask for a solution. Reload my example to see the easily broken
 version, with the centered button below the nav...

 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328.html
 CSS:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/tm/test_08_0328_files/ierc.css


 regards
   Georg
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Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread David Laakso
tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:

 I do sort of wish the fix for the navigation worked in DW too, since  
 I'm using it to view my layout before I upload it to the server. 






   



You can't trust viewing anything in an editor. Maybe someone on the list 
can give you the settings necessary to view the local file from DW in 
your browser (s). In the meantime, open any browser, click file, and 
then click the file you want to view in the browser you've opened.
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Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread tmesa.mesadesignhouse
Yeah, I know I can't trust anything in an editor, but if it comes  
close, I know I'm going in the right direction. I can do the same  
thing you suggested in DW, but I use server side includes, too, and  
that doesn't serve up the SSIs. The editor does display SSIs. I have  
to actually upload it to my test server to see, if the editor can't be  
used.

Thanks!!

Theresa Mesa
Mesa Design House
http://mesadesignhouse.com
909-796-5739
909-796-5789 (Fax)







On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:03 AM, David Laakso wrote:
 tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:

 I do sort of wish the fix for the navigation worked in DW too,  
 since  I'm using it to view my layout before I upload it to the  
 server.









 You can't trust viewing anything in an editor. Maybe someone on the  
 list can give you the settings necessary to view the local file from  
 DW in your browser (s). In the meantime, open any browser, click  
 file, and then click the file you want to view in the browser  
 you've opened.

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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Phoebe Taylor
Oh, i think i figured it out...

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Phoebe Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been trying to play around with an idea that I had for a sliding
  doors type link, but one that i don't want text on.

  Is it possible to use the sliding doors image .jpg as the moving
  background underneath - the graphic says, 'Church Calendar'
  and would shift upon hover.  On top of that, could one use a very low
  transparency .gif as something to hook the image map link to?

  Would the .jpg show through the .gif?  I really don't want the link to
  be text, just a graphic.

  Phoebe

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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Phoebe Taylor
or maybe not...

the html - which I've tried with .png and .gif images:

p class=calendara href=calendar.html class=eventsimg
src=graphics/calendar.gif  alt=Church Calendar width=166px
height=75px border=0/a/p


the css:

 a.events {
display: block;
width: 166px;
 height: 75px;
 text-align: center;
 text-decoration: none;
background: url('graphics/calendarslide.jpg') no-repeat;
 }

 a.events:hover active {
   background-position: 0 0 0 -166px;
 }

Shouldn't I see the background image under the .gif or .png that I'm
trying to use as the link?  Is what I'm attempting possible?
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Re: [css-d] Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread tmesa.mesadesignhouse
I can view it in the real browsers on and offline, but if I try to  
view a file with SSIs in it, it doesn't serve up the content of the  
SSIs, too, if I'm offline, you know, them being *server* side  
includes. The editor lets me view it, but not the offline browser  
viewing. I'm going to pull everything out of the SSIs until I make  
sure my layout is working.

I'm going to get rid of the background box for the navigation and do  
it normally, rather than as a background image, although I'm  
researching rounded corners and CSS, since that's what the client  
likes. That way I don't have to have fixed font sizes.

I've been making things too difficult for myself.


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On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 tmesa.mesadesignhouse wrote:
 Sorry!! I didn't mean to sound like I was criticizing you!

 No problem - either way :-)

 I do sort of wish the fix for the navigation worked in DW too,  
 since I'm using it to view my layout before I upload it to the  
 server.

 Relying on WYSIWYG software's rendering for web design is a recipe for
 disaster, IMO. All my tools let me view my creations in a series of  
 real
 browsers off/on-line, and I can't imagine what else I should view  
 them in.

 I'm going to set the navigation font size so it doesn't resize. The  
 words are pretty big as it is.

 There's no way to set fixed font-size in HTML/CSS based web design.
 Those who think they can do so are probably victims of an illusion
 created by IE/win's apparent fixed pixels, which are easily ignored
 in same browser - often with disastrous results.

 I advice you to not waste time trying to prevent font-resizing, and
 instead test what happens if/when resizing is applied and make your
 designs adjust to it.

 regards
   Georg
 -- 
 http://www.gunlaug.no

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Re: [css-d] CSS parse error

2008-03-28 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Cory Shubert wrote:

 I have been trying to figure out why I am getting this when I
 validate, but so far nothing is working for me.

Getting _what_?

 CSS is;

 div.shaded-bordered-item {
  margin: 1em 0;
  border: 1px solid #069;
  padding: 4px;
  background-color: #dfeefd;
 }

When I copied and pasted it in the W3C CSS Validator's By direct input 
interface, it validates. So what is the problem?


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Re: [css-d] CSS parse error

2008-03-28 Thread David Laakso
Cory Shubert wrote:
 I have been trying to figure out why I am getting this when I validate,
 but so far nothing is working for me.
  
 Any ideas?
  
 CSS is;
  
 div.shaded-bordered-item {
  margin: 1em 0;
  border: 1px solid #069;
  padding: 4px;
  background-color: #dfeefd;
 }
  

  

   


I don't think I understand. The above CSS is valid. Can you provide a 
clickable link to the the page that exhibits the problem, and/or 
articulate more clearly what is wrong?




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[css-d] Button displace issue

2008-03-28 Thread corey deep
Hi,

I have an odd button element issue specific to IE6. When I create a button
element and set text-indent ( to displace the value text ) the button
disappears in IE6.
If I add a non-breaking space , or line break or character before the button
it displays fine. Has anyone had any experience with this ?  What is wrong
with my button ?s this what it sounds like... when doves cry ?

/* CSS */

.btn {
position: relative;
background:transparent url(btn_grn_submit.gif) no-repeat scroll left
top;
border:0pt none;
cursor:pointer;
width:98px;
height:26px;
margin:0pt;
padding:0pt;
text-indent: -px;
overflow:hidden;
vertical-align:middle;
}

.btn:hover {
background: transparent url(btn_grn_submit.gif) no-repeat 0 -26px;
}

!-- HTML --

button name=Some Button title=Some Title  class=btn
type=buttonGreen Button/button!-- is hidden in IE6 --

nbsp;button name=Some Button title=Some Title  class=btn
type=buttonGreen Button/button  !-- but this works fine in IE6 --


online example:
http://thevenusflytrap.org/button_trials/index.html
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Re: [css-d] Button displace issue

2008-03-28 Thread corey deep
btw  I copied the source from firebug, which is why it displays margin set
to 0pt. i realize that looks like that. fyi. thank you.

Hi,

 I have an odd button element issue specific to IE6. When I create a button
 element and set text-indent ( to displace the value text ) the button
 disappears in IE6.
 If I add a non-breaking space , or line break or character before the
 button it displays fine. Has anyone had any experience with this ?  What is
 wrong with my button ?s this what it sounds like... when doves cry ?

 /* CSS */

 .btn {
 position: relative;
 background:transparent url(btn_grn_submit.gif) no-repeat scroll
 left top;
 border:0pt none;
 cursor:pointer;
 width:98px;
 height:26px;
 margin:0pt;
 padding:0pt;
 text-indent: -px;
 overflow:hidden;
 vertical-align:middle;
 }

 .btn:hover {
 background: transparent url(btn_grn_submit.gif) no-repeat 0 -26px;
 }

 !-- HTML --

 button name=Some Button title=Some Title  class=btn
 type=buttonGreen Button/button!-- is hidden in IE6 --

 nbsp;button name=Some Button title=Some Title  class=btn
 type=buttonGreen Button/button  !-- but this works fine in IE6 --


 online example:
 http://thevenusflytrap.org/button_trials/index.html



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[css-d] IE6 truncating DIVs

2008-03-28 Thread Erik Harris
I just realized something that has probably been a pretty long-standing 
problem, but which somehow escaped me before (I don't think the site 
behaved this way in my then-current version of IE6, since I'm sure I 
tested with it, but it does on browsershots.org and my IE6 
standalone)...  Nearly all of the content on my site at 
http://www.kungfu-silat.com/ is encased in DIVs.  Unfortunately, IE6 (at 
least some revisions) seems to be truncating my DIVs and only displaying 
the first line of text in each one (and the top of the second line). 
What can I do to fix this, aside from redesigning the site?

Thanks,

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Re: [css-d] IE6 truncating DIVs

2008-03-28 Thread David Laakso
Erik Harris wrote:
 http://www.kungfu-silat.com/ Unfortunately, IE6 (at 
 least some revisions) seems to be truncating my DIVs and only displaying 
 the first line of text in each one (and the top of the second line). 
 What can I do to fix this, aside from redesigning the site?



   





Feed IE/6:
* html div.section {overflow:visible;}


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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Phoebe Taylor
I don't have access to the webspace for the church, so I made a folder
on the knife site.
I put a dashed blue border around where the sliding doors -
transparent gif should be showing.
The .html validates -- I do have one parse error in CSS, that I think
is due to a hack for IE.

http://www.cgraytaylor.net/sullivan/index3.html


Phoebe


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[css-d] *I FIXED IT!* WAS: Works great in IE7, not so much in FF/Safari

2008-03-28 Thread tmesa.mesadesignhouse
:-) Well, I know the web isn't print. I was talking about the tools to  
work with the file. I build a logo, it's in Illustrator. I build a  
business card, I use InDesign. I futz with an image or photo, I use  
Photoshop. Each allows me to see how it's going to look as I work.

BTW, *I FIXED IT!!* I mean the way it was displaying in DW. I KNEW it  
was that second float that was mucking up the works! So for div#nav, I  
had float:left, and then for div.list-menu, which was inside div#nav,  
I did float:inherit, since it was a div class inside a div id. The  
layout in DW lines right up, now. OMG!! Works on FF, Safari, IE6 and  
IE7. It also would have helped, with the donation thing, if I was  
calling the class out by the correct name. Duh.

I gave up on the rounded corners for right now and made the text  
resizable. The site needs to be accessible.

Still, I couldn't have fixed this without your help, Gunlaug and  
David!!! And thank you, Jason, for the words of cheer. You all rock!

MAJOR lessons learned today.


Theresa Mesa
Mesa Design House
http://mesadesignhouse.com
909-796-5739
909-796-5789 (Fax)


 The hardest part for me was realizing that the web is not print...  
 Unfortunately we don't have full control over how it looks unless we  
 make it a PDF to download, which isn't optimal.

 Once I was okay with it not being pixel perfect, my life got a lot  
 less stressful! Just thought I would share my experience since we  
 have somewhat close to the same perspective! :)



 But thank you so much for your help! I'll dig into this some more.


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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Phoebe Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I put a dashed blue border around where the sliding doors -
transparent gif should be showing.
The .html validates -- I do have one parse error in CSS, that I think
is due to a hack for IE.

http://www.cgraytaylor.net/sullivan/index3.html

Phoebe,

Have you checked that the path is correct for your sliding image? It appears to 
be the same path as the one that's in the HTML, but that wouldn't be the 
correct pathway from the CSS file, since you have that in a different spot.

~holly 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Phoebe Taylor
  Have you checked that the path is correct for your sliding image? It appears 
 to be the same path as the one that's in the HTML, but that wouldn't be the 
 correct pathway from the CSS file, since you have that in a different spot.

  ~holly


oh, okay.. I see now.  My other site had the css and html files all in
one directory.  I didn't even think about the path there.

Okay, so now i see the background, so half the battle won.  Now I just
need to get it to slide over to see the right half on hover.





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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Phoebe Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

oh, okay.. I see now.  My other site had the css and html files all in
one directory.  I didn't even think about the path there.

Okay, so now i see the background, so half the battle won.  Now I just
need to get it to slide over to see the right half on hover.

 http://www.cgraytaylor.net/sullivan/index3.html 

 a.events:hover active {
   background-position: 0 -166px;
 }

That selector selects an element called active, that is inside an anchor with 
the class name events the anchor is hovered. I suspect that since there isn't 
an element type active that your selector isn't going to select anything. Did 
you mean - 

 a.events:hover, a.events:active {
   background-position: 0 -166px;
 }

??? creating a selector for both the hover and active states?

~holly 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Image/Map? sliding doors effect

2008-03-28 Thread Phoebe Taylor
  That selector selects an element called active, that is inside an anchor 
 with the class name events the anchor is hovered. I suspect that since 
 there isn't an element type active that your selector isn't going to select 
 anything. Did you mean -

   a.events:hover, a.events:active {
background-position: 0 -166px;
   }

  ??? creating a selector for both the hover and active states?

  ~holly

Oh, I see now.  So, that's how you shorthand the selectors.
Brilliant!  now it works!   -cheers-

Phoebe


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Re: [css-d] browser combatibility issues

2008-03-28 Thread Daniel Hammond
| I don't have IE 5 on the Mac and there is no IE 6 or 7, so no 
| worries  
| there.
| Good luck.
| Zack Frazier

Can someone please take a look at the site in IE on a mac and offer some
guidance as to why it's messing up the site's layout so badly?

Just a reminder, the url is http://www.objectivedesigns.com/rsdp/nwc/, and
the css is http://www.objectivedesigns.com/rsdp/nwc/index.css.

That browser/platform is having some major page layout issues. If you click
around to the different pages, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Thanks,
Daniel

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